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[GtarPlayr73]

After further reflection, i realized that women are not the only sex to judge the other worthy or not. To believe this is so much AFC thinking. Is it true that we men will fuck ANY woman we come across? Is it true that we men will enter into an LTR with ANY woman we encounter? Are we mindless robots? No, on all three counts. The truth is we men have standards as well. The difference is that, being logical creatures, ours is more reasonable and more realistic than those of women. How many times have you heard or read about what women want in a man? They want sheer perfection - a demi-god, able to meet all challenges and never fails. A prince charming, a knight in shining armor, the perfect lover. See, they want perfection because of their strongest need - the need for security. They need security which means total dependability. Anything less is, well, cause for concern.

I guess it could be argued that we men want a physically perfect goddess with no flaws or blemishes, but i think this isn't true. We just want a woman who is physically attractive enough to turn us on. I know i don't want a perfect woman. Barbie dolls are not attractive. Women, being emotionally-driven are uncompromising in their insecurity. Their emotionally-based dreams know no bounds. The sky is the limit. The expectations, therefore, are limitless, and the cause of serious trouble in reality. Therefore, we men have developed our criteria which, once we outgrow our AFCism, we use to qualify women worthy of the privilege of OUR seed. She may choose who impregnates her, but we choose who we impregnate. Both sexes choose. Nothing new afterall...

What is that criteria? The woman must be physically attractive. It is her responsibility to attract the male for reproduction. The woman must not be an attention-whore. She must not be a gold-digger. She must take care of her body. She must have a sense of style. She must be emotionally-sound, specifically capable of trust and intimacy. She must be interesting. She must be confident. AND she must have that combination of female mystery and charming vitality which creates pure sexuality.

Our criteria is the more difficult to stick to because our sex drives are more urgent than that of women's. Hence, we are more apt to compromise in small ways here and there. Women, on the other hand, do not. When they APPEAR to compromise, they are really just using and manipulating men. So, some men compromise their standards while some women use men, regardless of their criteria.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I think the more important issue to remember is that both sexes are required in some fashion to qualify to one another. Women are expected to meet physical criterion that men demand and must meet to some degree comensurate with their own capacity to meet the requisites that women have for their own intimacy. The imbalance comes when men sublimate themselves to a woman's conditions for intimacy at the cost of his own and becomes a slave to a woman's expectations to the point that he'll alter his personality in an effort to do so. This is the very definition of an AFC - a male (not a man) willing to internalize a female expectation and sense of entitlement to the point where his genuine, masculine identity is voluntarily modeled to meet her prerequisites.

Sexuality is a woman's only natural agency - it's something they know we will consistently want and cannot provide on our own (beyond a virtual experience that is). A man's capacity for provisioning a woman with security (for all the many ways security manifests itself) is his bartering tool. To call all women hores is really a matter of degree. The reason blatant prostitution is socially frowned upon draws its roots in OVERTLY exposing this dynamic. The gold digger is another degree and there are many levels and rationalization that accompany it too. Even the most loving, sincere marriage still has a conditional, transactional element to it for it to exist in the first place. Essentially human being are opportunists - we want what's best for ourselves and our offsprings continued survival. This is simply how it manifests in a woman.

Men should have their lists too, right? At least men should. If they did (and it was accurate) and it was followed, guy's would be able to qualify women effectively and sidestep a lot of heartache.

Absolutely. The only problem with doing so is that raw biology will almost universally trump any list you could make. When presented with a hot as hell HB 9.5 who's verifiably sexually available and shags like a porn star, but happens to be a head case - and a well adjusted, slightly chunky HB 6 who comes from a great family, is amazingly well educated, empathetic and loves easy, a guy is going to take his chances with the HB 9.5. It's hardwired in our brains to make comparisons based on our single condition for intimacy - the physical. I forgot the URL, but there is an online service that caters to 'suspicious' wives who "think their man would cheat if given the opportunity" so they send out very attractive women to "bump into them" at bars, come on to them and then report their findings to the wives. 90% of these guys, when given what they thought was the sure opportunity to get laid with a hot piece of ass took the bait.

 

[DJDamage]

I forgot the URL, but there is an online service that caters to 'suspicious' wives who "think their man would cheat if given the opportunity" so they send out very attractive women to "bump into them" at bars, come on to them and then report their findings to the wives. 90% of these guys, when given what they thought was the sure opportunity to get laid with a hot piece of ass took the bait.

That is no surprise, I think its also an entrapment. Picture an AFC guy who can't get hot women for his entire life and due to his frustration he settles for some average plain jane and believes he found true love. All of the sudden he is in a bar and this hot woman who typically ignore's him through out his life, is actually being friendly towards him without him trying to buy her a drink or impress her, in fact she laughs on all his bad jokes and show signs of sexual interest. All of the sudden he feels on top of the world for the first time ever!! of coarse he is going to go for it! its almost like LIBERATION for him to get out of his sad existence and become the man he always meant to be.

 

[Tazman]

I agree with men just requiring the physical. It seems like a balance of "does she turn me on?" and "am I capable of getting her?". I've been thrown off a couple times where I've learned that a female I found to be quite attractive (to a degree) was also attracted to me. I couldn't believe how stupidly I let those opportunities go by. Then I get IOI's from women I don't like and it pisses me off.

It's funny how I can obsess over a woman I find attractive for a long period of time (probably also due to a lack of sex) yet women can dismiss a guy they like if he doesn't approach soon enough. I wonder how they can flip off the attraction switch so fast just on the assumption of non-interest or do they pick up on your interest and assume you're to fearful of them, and therefore not worthy?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

It's funny how I can obsess over a woman I find attractive for a long period of time (probably also due to a lack of sex)

Deprivation is a hell of a motivator, one women become all too aware of very early on when they recognize their sexual influence over men and what value it has. Now you can wave that flag from the highest flagpole and scream about how manipulative women are in this respect, but it's really just simple supply side economics - the more scarce a commidity is to someone the more valuable it becomes. To a starving man a cracker is a banquet.

 

[GtarPlayr73]

Good point, Rollo, and Tazman, i too have wondered how women can turn off their attraction to you if you don't move on them fast enough. Wow! What were they attracted to in the first place and why isn't that attraction still there even after their precious fucking window of opportunity has been shut?! If you're attracted to someone, there is a reason. You are attracted to looks or a quality and that quality remains whether the person shows interest or not. Fucking fickle creatures, women can be. I guess the female mind is able to "cover up" that attraction with bitterness. Where they once saw attractiveness, now they see rejection, when they mistook your inaction for disinterest.

 

[rakishness]

A man's capacity for provisioning a woman with security (for all the many ways security manifests itself) is his bartering tool.

Besides having money....what are the other ways to provide security?

 

[RedPill]

Besides having money....what are the other ways to provide security?

Physical stature, althleticism, demonstrated willingness to take risks, social status, power/influence, marriage (demonstrated commitment), wit, leadership, intelligence, mental prowess.

I'm sure there are a number of other qualities which could be added to that list.

 

[rakishness]

Physical stature, althleticism, demonstrated willingness to take risks, social status, power/influence, marriage (demonstrated commitment), wit, leadership, intelligence, mental prowess.

I'm sure there are a number of other qualities which could be added to that list.

Thanks Red Pill

 

[Tazman]

Where they once saw attractiveness, now they see rejection, when they mistook your inaction for disinterest.

From my observations, that's exactly it. Never underestimate how careful they are with their image. Like men, they gauge how high they are on the food chain by who's attracted to them (though men aren't satisfied by just that, we want to seal the deal first), but they take it to new heights because they can't/won't approach a guy they like the way we pretty much have to approach them.

I've been experimenting (actually it's more because I'm terrible at cold approaches) and I've found that when you don't approach a chick that likes you she'll feign disinterest to see if you'll rise up and do something, but if it doesn't work they'll go back to trying to get your attention. Of course there's a point where they'll give up completely granted you just ignore them. It annoys me to no end that a chick I don't like can actually strike up conversation with me, leaving me wondering why the others can't be this way. I guess the more attractive they believe they are the more they need that absolute validation by waiting for the guy to initiate everything.

 

[bigjohnson]

One of my favorite unattributed quotes: "All women are wh0res except mom, and if you get dad drunk enough he'll argue about that"