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The Mask You Live In

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I see this documentary is available on Netflix now (maybe it has been for awhile, I don't know, but I just noticed it). I remember it being discussed here before several years ago, but I don't recall what was said about it. Basically it's about how boys are raised, and the way masculinity is defined by our culture.

For those who have seen it, is this film at all from a red pill viewpoint? Blue pill? Purple? Is it worth watching?

I've been wanting to see "The Red Pill" movie. That looks more interesting to me, but I'm still waiting to see if I can get a chance to see it for free lol.
 

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I haven't seen the documentary yet. I'll have to check it out. I read an interesting article today about how this Tibetan tribe is ruled by a matriarchy in the kingdom of women:

Summary of the article:

It’s a place where women rule, marriage doesn’t exist and everything follows the maternal bloodline. But is it as good for women as it sounds – and how long can it last?
It's sad how confused our society is getting with gender obfuscation. MGTOW or Red Pill is that attempt to re-balance the deck that is stacked against us -- it's just fighting a moral stigma with shame tactics or dismissive behavior for appearing chauvinistic rather than listening to what we have to say without an agenda or preconceived notions.
 

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I remember when that first came on, I looked it up on IMDb and read a few reviews. I chose not to watch it. It don't remember the reason exactly.

Here's what one reviewer said:

Starts out somewhat promising, quickly shows itself to be a Propaganda piece

This starts out well enough, shedding some light on the fact that some people are raised in unstable environments, lack of father figure/abuse, which can have a very negative emotional/mental impact on growing boys. It also points out that bullying is a serious issue. These talking points should be explored further, as they are very fundamental to understanding how to help boys and men overcome detrimental upbringings.

Unfortunately, 5 minutes in, by declaring masculinity to be unnatural and inherently harmful, this film devolves into nothing but transparent propaganda. Manhood, being the catalyst for all of society's woes, is just the rejection of femininity, it asserts. In short, Feminine altogether good, masculine altogether bad. The documentary hammers this narrative from this point onward, so quickly turning from a noble and much welcomed exposition about childhood abuse and abandonment, along with it's outright negative effects of said children, into an incredibly condescending and nonsensical attempt to make masculinity out to be wholly damaging.

The film claims that masculinity is nothing but a social construct, designed to make boys and men afraid to speak, or to show emotion, which leads to lives of crime and violence. So never mind what proper science would have to say, only femininity exists, and we males who reject it are everything that is wrong with the world. Men and boys who come from broken homes and hostile environments are used to bolster the narrative that masculinity is indeed synonymous with hatred, violence, rape, murder... But this does not represent the vast majority of men, and I would bet that the vast majority of men have some masculine traits.

However, if it's proper statistical analysis and presentation, you may want to look somewhere else. The women who made this film claim that men and women are pretty much the same from a biological perspective, which you would once again have to disregard science as an effectual intellectual tool to believe such nonsense. Here's how they prove their claim. They draw two bell curve graphs side by side. The curves represent the overall positive/negative life experiences of pools of 50,000 men and 50,000 women, separately. The curves of both graphs are similar, as they obviously would be, as they are bell curves intended to present averages... Then they superimpose one on top of the other and... voila! Men and women are the same and everything they have said thus far is true. And they really expect you to believe this, with such preschool presentation and lack of any kind of logic or actual statistical analyses. Clichés and buzzwords are not evidence, either.

But people will believe them. Even when they use the 1 in 5 women are raped on campus stat, which has been proved to be entirely misleading. Just look it up. I would only urge you to think for yourselves. Even when they resurrect the decades old claim that video games and movies and toys are turning people into monsters... which has also been debunked time and time again throughout the years by honest research and proper statistical work, people will still believe them. Presenting lies in a tenderly manner does not make them
truths.

There is just so much wrong here. Written directed and produced by women, unsurprisingly driven by feminism, this film is thoroughly erratic and lacks any kind of real evidence to support its claims about the nature of men.

As a young man who has always struggled with depression and father abandonment issues, I cannot recommend this film to those wanting to learn anything true or useful. In fact I find it deplorable that the women behind this get to so passively pretend like they are helping anyone, when they have to use misleading and outright false claims/statistics to lend their ideology any credence, at the expense of those who are suffering from mental illness no less. If this is all that can be offered to help those afflicted, then I'm afraid we've gained no ground on the subject of mental illness in boys and men. Although, I really do not believe that the point of this intended to really help anyone.

Those of you who already buy into today's feminist theories/talking points... well i'm sure that you will love it as it will reinforce your incredibly biased and skewed, one-sided perspective of the world. Coming from those who would use fear and misrepresentation to persuade others, whether done consciously or not, I find it incredibly ironic for the film to begin with a quote (half of one anyway) from George Orwell. So I will end my review with a better application.


"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell
 

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Somebody posted a link. I started watching, seems to be legit. Don't remember where, didn't book mark:(
I tried that link, I never got to the movie (The Red Pill) because the popups were driving me crazy. I'm hoping it will show up on Netflix or one of my cable channels. I'm a patient man. If not, I'll probably pop for the $5 or whatever it is to watch it eventually.

The Mask You Live In doesn't sound so promising, according to the review you posted. It didn't sound so feminist to me from the description, it just sounded like they were acknowledging that it was difficult to grow up as a male with masculine expectations. But from your review it sounds feminist. I'll probably check it out at some point, see for myself, and post my findings.
 

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popups were driving me crazy.
I've got adblocker installed in chrome and I think I only had one or two clicks before it started.

I didn't watch more than five minutes, but because of something else (time?), but not the popups.
 

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I'm still waiting to see The Red Pill, I've seen some previews that look pretty good. I also saw an article saying that Netflix didn't want to stream it, so I guess that's out. Didn't want to offend the feminists I guess.

I still haven't watched The Mask You Live In either, but..... I have thought about it. Just haven't gotten to it. I like documentaries, if the topic is interesting.
 

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I'm still waiting to see The Red Pill, I've seen some previews that look pretty good. I also saw an article saying that Netflix didn't want to stream it, so I guess that's out. Didn't want to offend the feminists I guess.

I still haven't watched The Mask You Live In either, but..... I have thought about it. Just haven't gotten to it. I like documentaries, if the topic is interesting.
Seriously, buy it or at least rent it. "The Red Pill" exceeded my expectations by a lot, it deserved my money. At first the thought of a feminist making a documentary about men's rights made me sceptical, thought it would be biased. But she did a really good job on this one, very reflective. This is how documentaries should be done!

She interviews some MRAs and some feminists asking all the relevant and critical questions. Both sides are well represented in their views and basically talk freely. It's really something to in one moment see all MRAs talk about how nobody gives a shit about men, and in the next moment the feminists confirms it by minimizing our issues in basically every sentence they speak.

It doesn't set out to minimize real women's issues, it highlights men's issues and shows just how callous feminists and indeed the larger society is towards it.

she quit being a feminist
 

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Finally watched The Mask You Live In. Mainly it's about how hard it is to grow up as a male, with the expectations of masculinity, and the problems of the modern world. How boys grow up in a system where athletics are valued, they are not supposed to express emotion (except anger), and how the weak and ones that don't fit in get bullied. There is one scene where this guy talks about his mother beating him, then taking a picture of him crying, and shaming him for crying - messed up.

It shifts a bit in the middle and talks about how the resulting anger results in criminal behavior. For instance, it talks about how criminals are nine times more likely to have been abused as boys. How violent video games can be tied to violent behavior.

There's a bit about how boys grow up watching pornography, and how they confuse that with reality, and that's why they objectify women. Some of these guys might become predators, but they don't show the other side of the coin where women actually do respond to being dominated, how many like to have their hair pulled, or be choked or spanked.

I don't see this film as either red, blue, or purple pill (in spite of the previous paragraph). Overall, they don't really show things from the female perspective at all, girls are almost completely missing. Mostly it advocates allowing men to be individuals, and not merely male stereotypes.

I read this "how to be an alpha male" book once, I wish I could remember who wrote it, but there are about 9,000 of these types of books out there. Anyway, that guy suggested that a guy should be about 70% masculine and 30% feminine, and that's the most attractive. In other words it's okay to feel some emotions now and then, or to learn how to cook. I've always remembered that because everyone else seems to just imply that the more masculine you are, the better.
 
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