Seduction without Speed

Discussion in 'Don Juan Tips' started by Adonis, Jul 6, 2001.

  1. Adonis

    Adonis Master Don Juan

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    This isn't some Speed Seduction technique tip. While I won't argue about the effectiveness of SS, I have never learned about it and hence have another method I go by.

    Seduction is important to attracting women - some unfortunate bozos really don't realize this. While some guys may think that their good looks alone (unfortunately I'm one of those) are enough to attract chicks to sleep with them, good looks can only take you so far. No matter how good-looking you are, if you can't seduce her, you'll never obtain what you want. If you're just average looking and you know how to seduce her then you won't have to be reading this article.

    Some guys here have such low confidence that they beat around the bush trying to fool the chick into their beds by using dumb pickup lines thinking it's the way to go. A real seductor has the confidence to be honest and straightforward with his target, he knows what he wants and not afraid to show it. He doesn't have to use pickup lines in order to bed girls. A true seductor uses his seduction technique to lure the fish into taking the bait.

    Even if you have the perfect approach, it will not guarantee you success. But don't be discouraged; I can honestly tell that the rejection rate is very high when approaching women you don't have previous meetings with (even for good looking guys that get approach by women). You might run into chick who already have BFs, don't have the time to stop and talk, having a bad hair day, or are just not interested. Don't blame yourself and don't let your ego take a hit. This is normal and happens to many men -- even players. Getting rejected by a stranger is part of the game - it's a fun part of the game because you can laugh at it.

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    Always approach with a plan. I can can improvise successfully (this is a pain trust me), but regardless of the case, having a plan always helps your chances of coming across as a person she might consider dating.

    Always be honest about what you want. Don't hide the fact that you wanna get into her skirt - that's the thrill of it. She already knows what you want, lying and fooling her is only gonna make you look like an idiot. Most guys think that they can fool a chick into giving them their number. Chicks already know that you're trying to pick them up, so don't beat around the bush. Be direct and let them know exactly what you want. You'll come across as a confident and straightforward man.

    Just be patient, Patience is good. Don't rush into things like a hungry Hyena finding a dead carcass. Have a good approach - be confident about your approach. Know that you can get any girl you want and when you want - have this attitude always. Don't end up looking like a little boy craving for ice cream.

    Look into her eyes when you talk to her. Do not stare at her breasts or let your eyes wander elsewhere. Let your body language, your lips, and your eyes convey and explain your desire for her - your desire to touch her body and feel her skin. Do not say it in words. Avoid any sexual comments and quit gazing at her body at all times - keep your eyes to yourself pervert!

    Maintain a stimulating conversation. Be original about things you say. Use as less compliments as you can about her looks. Remember, you don't want to come out like a rabid dog in heat.

    You need to look good, stylish and trendy. You don't necessarily need to look like a model - but it wil definitely help. Take time to look your best. Make it look like you at least invested some time and money on your looks, not like some bum off the street. That goes without saying: maintain proper hygiene. Have a little fashion sense: go with a trendy shirt, a pair of decent pants, and maybe even an alternative hairstyle (don't go too far).

    Appear friendly and approachable. A good smile will definitely do the trick, show those gorgeous whites gents. A lot of women aren't comfortable talking complete stranger so it's up to you to make yourself appear harmless - not like a lost puppy dog mind you, just friendly and approachable. A little humor usually helps.

    Be the charming man. To attract beautiful women, you project confidence, good-looks (or appearance of looking good), intellect (yes, very important), and the most important of all, your charm. How do you show charm? Look into her eyes when you speak to her - let her know that you are comfortable to be with her without telling her. Eye contact always. Stimulate her mind and make her think. Just show her that you respect and value her opinion by asking her questions related to current affairs. Laugh at her jokes even if it isn't funny (this is really hard, but you can just laugh at how stupid her joke really is) Show her that there are other things on your mind besides sex. Avoid topics related to sex, sports, ex-girlfriends, money, cars, and so on.

    Seduce her emotions and play with it. If you can make her feel then you're on the right tract. Make her excited, give her that rush of adrenaline that she always wanted go on a bike ride ask her to go sky diving with you.

    Make her believe that you are real with all your intentions. Leave an open mind. Make her feel beautiful about herself without saying it in words. Again, use your body language and your eyes to accomplish this. Feed her ego without setting yourself up as a stooge. Appear to be a person who would give her pleasure. Light touches to errogenous zones (when invited) is the way to go.

    Just keep practicing this. The more you do it the better you become at it. Improvise, just because the above methods worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you - just have a plan and be dynamic.

    [This message has been edited by Adonis (edited 07-06-2001).]
     
  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Master Don Juan

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    Well written Adonis! It's a relaxed vision on seducing women, very good!

    (btw, it's the in DJB)

    Cya,
    Neo
     
  3. vadrill

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    Adonis, a classic! Well written. Especially agree with your points regarding a sense of humor and having some sort of intelligence
     
  4. Snowboard Dude

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    Adonis,
    Excellent Post!

    You hit the nail on the head with the idea about seduction without speed. What is really funny is how 'doclove' just wrote an article that was suggesting the exact opposite of this post touting that when a guy talks about sex on first date the girl hates it and likes him less. Well obvisiously you have to have some common sense and tact but of course that is what seduction is all about, implying things without coming right out and bluntly stating them. Think about it if you ask a girl if she wants a kiss it takes all of the mystery and charm out of it. Sometimes you may still get a kiss but its way better if you have the balls to take a slight risk and go for it at the right time of course. Here is the url of doc's most recent crap post: http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_60/85c_relationship_expert.html

    Seriously though why would anyone avoid initimate talk and actions for 60 days! I found through painful experience that you are 100% right adonis that women don't like it when you beat around the bush too much and it can only land you in the friend zone. Women do not take long to decide if you are their 'type'(they would at least consider sleeping with you) so why wait to find out if they are or not. Most guys here i noticed waste soo much time hanging out and dating girls that will never sleep with them. Stop wasting your time!

    Also, what type of approaches do you find most succesfull? I only use the simple one "Hi Im _" and from then on i just make things up to say on the spot. How do you develop a 'plan'. I also do not follow SS and think its not my style at all. Please post all about how to imply sexual interest in a suave way. I have either been with girls when i was so stoked to be out with a 10 that i could not display sexual interest or it just seemed to come naturally and i barely had to say anything 'sexy' but i was certainly doing something right. Unfortunately the latter does not happen enough.

    One last q:
    You said about taking a girl for a bike ride or skydiving. Well what do you mean by bike ride? Motorcycle or Bicycle. I race bicycles so this would be something i could do for sure to show i am adventurous and athletic if its a cool thing to suggest.
     
  5. Drew

    Drew Master Don Juan

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    Snowboard Dude,

    To each his own opinion, but I don't find Doc Love's articles as "crap." Also I feel you seem to have misunderstood both articles.

    Notice the subject of Adonis's post "Seduction without Speed." In it several times, Adonis says to be patient.

    "Just be patient, Patience is good. Don't rush into things like a hungry Hyena finding a dead carcass. Have a good approach - be confident about your approach. Know that you can get any girl you want and when you want - have this attitude always. Don't end up looking like a little boy craving for ice cream. "

    The Doc Love article is actually warning you from becoming that hyena. Doc Love is talking about avoiding sexual innuendos on the first date. I read nothing about 60 days. The 60 day thing you are referring to is most likely intimate things such as saying I love you in 60 days.

    Adonis also states the same thing in regards to sexual innuendos. Yes Adonis said not to hide your intentions, but Doc Love never says to hide your intentions. Adonis states, "Do not say it in words. Avoid any sexual comments and quit gazing at her body at all times - keep your eyes to yourself pervert!"

    Both preach to not make stupid idiotic and perverted sexual remarks. When Adonis says show your intentions, he means do it with body language.

    So in reality, the two article are not the "exact opposite."

    ~Drew
     
  6. Adonis

    Adonis Master Don Juan

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    An approach as simple as yours ("Hi..I'm") is the often the best approach to use. I don't usually use opening lines (I do for the fun of it sometimes) to approach women. Again, a simple approach is: Eye contact 3-5 seconds then a smile. Follow up with a conversation. It depends, you have to find an approach that works for you - like I said before no approach is perfect. Just moderate and find one that works - the simple introduction is the decent way to go if your not sure.

    I like to try different approach just to see how it goes - I tried a different one a last weekend at a club --> There was this hot chick talking to her friend and I caught a quick glimpse (it was just a quick glanced eye contact) but it was enough for me to approach her. Here's what I did: I walked up to her and stood right beside her friend - I was gazing at her eyes. She looked at me funny but she was staring back into my eyes - there was a dead silence for about 6 seconds then I gave a smile, intentionally looked down towards her feet and said: "Those shoes are beautiful." Needless to say her and her friend started laughing - and so was I. THe point was, I wanted to convey (by acting like I was lost for words) that I find her really attractive - but I didn't want to show that I want to jump her bones and compliment her on her looks because she already knows she looks good. I had some conversation with her and her friend and the rest is history.


    For your last question - it doesn't matter what you do as long as the things you're doing are things of action. Motorcyle, bike ride by the river, anything that gets her heart pumping. A little blood flow always helps turning women on.

    As far as SS goes - there's a lot of things about it that is useful. Not necessarily for just seducing women but for other things in life. It's effective but I was never really that good at manipulating my words...
     
  7. KevM

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    Exactly. You guys have figured out the core element of laying a girl. Get her horny through anything you do, whether it be actions and words, and then CLOSE the deal.
     
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