Question: Why Not Just Screw Escorts?

[Tenacity]

taiyuu_otoko

No.

If a seller has a pre-determined buyer, for whatever reason, then the house is not on the market. Especially if another buyer offered more money.

The case you describe is a "one-seller / one-buyer" market. Apples and oranges.

The situation I'm describing is a discriminatory market, sort of like institutional racism. It's where I'm not going to visibly SAY I don't want an XYZ type of person to work here, I'm just going to only HIRE the type of people that I want to work here. In other words, I'll let anyone interview, but I already know the "type" I'm going to hire.

taiyuu_otoko

1) "quality" is a purely subjective definition.

2) In any market there will be "low quality" products and "high quality" products.

And TECHNICALLY, each product ("high quality" and "low quality") makes up it's own market, from a supply demand standpoint.

There ARE high quality women. There IS a market comprised ONLY of high quality women.

Plenty of guys are GETTING high quality women.

Plenty (literally millions) of men are MARRIED to what they describe as "high quality" women.

I totally agree that quality is subjective and in the eyes of the beholder. That is why my stance on there being nothing but low quality women available, is really based on my definition of quality which is based on a traditional standpoint.

Based on my definition of quality, there's no equal opportunity market available where I can go to XYZ place or town or website or networking club, to only meet those types of women that I deem quality. Instead, the traditional women that I'm referring to don't exist in the market AT ALL because the "product" (traditional women) have gone out of style. I'm a guy with a JERI-CURL desire in a "low cut fade" world.

taiyuu_otoko

If you want a "high quality woman" you've got to provide her with what she describes as a "high quality" man. What that is varies from case to case and is dependent on an uncountable number of factors, both conscious and unconscious.

And what I'm saying is that "high quality" to this market of women are men that they can CONTROL and USE. Now I want to pinpoint that I'm referring to a Relationship/LTR, I'm not referring to just a dating/sex situation.

You are a high quality male when you are willing to hand over your balls to her on a silver platter, that makes you a REAL man to this market of women.

That's backwards as hell, but we are living in a culture that is backwards where the GOOD are shamed and the BAD are praised. I'm a Black guy as I mentioned before, what do I get from society for busting my a.ss over the last 8 plus years, doing well in my career, graduating with an MBA, 3 bachelor's degrees, and building up a good financial base? I get called bougie, a sell-out, Uncle Tom, white-washed and Sambo.

What does Ray Ray with 5 kids from 5 different women who doesn't take care of ANY of them, and who doesn't have stable employment, who smokes all day, goes in and out of jail, etc., get? He gets a HERO's welcome everywhere he goes as he's the "authentically" black one.

My point is that from top to bottom, our culture is BACKWARDS, and it's mainly the fault of far left politics. Marrying a chick today or having a kid with a chick today, is a damn financial DEATH sentence.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Based on my definition of quality, there's no equal opportunity market available where I can go to XYZ place or town or website or networking club, to only meet those types of women that I deem quality. Instead, the traditional women that I'm referring to don't exist in the market AT ALL.

They exist, but not in the "dating market." If you go where people go to meet for relationships / hookups / whatever, they are much more likely to be "low quality" women.

High Quality women exist. However, since they are high quality, you won't find them on dating websites, nightclubs, networking meetings etc.

Any girl that consciously tries to find a man, and has a conscious list of "qualities" she's looking for is not high quality, IMO.

High quality women don't need to actively seek relationships. High quality women are in a market unto themselves. Similar to a great house in a great neighborhood for a great price, they get snapped up BEFORE they even go "on the market," because they don't NEED to go on the market.

Similar to your job example. The "high quality candidate" (for purely subjective reasons) has the job before it even goes on the market.

High quality women don't have any use for a "dating market."

All this goes for high quality men as well. That's precisely why it's often preached here and elsewhere is to FORGET LOOKING FOR WOMEN.

Pursue your life and high quality women will tend to find their way in.

Sure, spin plates, bang hookers, just see this as a HOBBY and NOT A SEARCH for high quality women.

And what I'm saying is that "high quality" to this market of women are men that they can CONTROL and USE. Now I want to pinpoint that I'm referring to a Relationship/LTR, I'm not referring to just a dating/sex situation.

These women are not high quality.

My point is that from top to bottom, our culture is BACKWARDS, and it's mainly the fault of far left politics. Marrying a chick today or having a kid with a chick today, is a damn financial DEATH sentence.

I agree that today's dating market is messed up, but not impossible.

I would recommend stop LOOKING for women. Start doing things you want to do, and see what kind of women show up there.

There's PLENTY of right-wing christian types, for example, that are just as angry at the state of things as you and are PERFECT life time partners that would support you, have your back, take care of your kids, etc.

Now, christian-neocon-teabaggers may not be our type, but THEY DO EXIST.

Take all the women you're seeing now and mentally put them in the HOBBY ONLY category. Just live your life, have fun, build a high quality network of high quality friends, build your empire.

The women will come.

Give it time. Life is long. You are young.

 

[mangotot]

I thought about seeing escorts but figured it'll mess with my self esteem so didn't proceed.

 

[Tenacity]

taiyuu_otoko

High quality women don't have any use for a "dating market."

All this goes for high quality men as well. That's precisely why it's often preached here and elsewhere is to FORGET LOOKING FOR WOMEN.

Pursue your life and high quality women will tend to find their way in.

Sure, spin plates, bang hookers, just see this as a HOBBY and NOT A SEARCH for high quality women.

On page 2 of this thread I listed out what might be the issue with the lack of finding a quality chick, and this is actually one of the possibilities that I forgot to list as I have heard this BEFORE but mainly from women.

The notion is that, "Tenacity, just keep going along your way. Keep working out, keep succeeding in your career, keep racking up degrees and education, then one day a high quality chick will APPEAR while you are standing in line at Boston Market ordering a half chicken a la carte."

I have never, in 31 years, gotten ANY piece of a.ss (low quality or semi quality) where the GIRL came and approached me first. That has never happened in my life, and this notion that a high quality chick now....low quality chicks don't even do it....but a high quality chick is going to RUN UP TO ME and say "here I am" is just insane to me.

You know that if the guy doesn't start the approach, nothing is going to happen, so can you explain what you are recommending here?

And what fvcking else do I need to work on man? I have degrees out of the a.ss, I have financial success, I fixed my damn looks, I have a NICE CAR, NICE PLACE, my personality in dealing with women is on point or else I wouldn't be able to pull a.ss period...what the hell else is there for me to work on??

Yes, I'm frustrated man because like I said, I WISH the problem was something I could fix. Like I'm missing X, or Y, or I'm not doing enough of Z, I would just go fix the damn problem man but when the problem is REALLY the fvcking marketplace how the hell do I fix that??

The vast majority of women I talk to and am talking to, are what you would call educated women or the "good girl". Most of them don't club, don't hang out all night, they work, they go to school, or they are trying to do one or the other, they are the stereotypical "good girl". I'm not talking to ratchet women or hood women or anything of the sort.

So if I'm already talking to the good girl, the educated girl, the girl who gets off her a.ss and actually works, aren't I already in talks with the girl who is supposed to bring "high quality" to the table??

I mean this entire thing just frustrates me and the "Seduction" community doesn't even address this shyt. Everybody is so focused on, "Here's 563 tips on getting laid" and not what the hell do you do AFTER you get laid, such as:

- How do you handle a relationship when you have certain needs, wants, desires and NO FVCKING woman is bringing that to the table?

- How do you handle the Family Court?

- How do you address the fact that marriage might start out good but quickly turn to hell?

- How do you address the fact that you might want to be a Father, but the chick will screw you over in the Court to stop that from happening?

Nobody discusses this shyt in the Seduction Commuity, it's all about how to get some a.ss, a.ss, a.ss, like we are obsessed 15 year olds just hitting puberty.

 

[hithard]

The vast majority of women I talk to and am talking to, are what you would call educated women or the "good girl". Most of them don't club, don't hang out all night, they work, they go to school, or they are trying to do one or the other, they are the stereotypical "good girl". I'm not talking to ratchet women or hood women or anything of the sort.

So if I'm already talking to the good girl, the educated girl, the girl who gets off her a.ss and actually works, aren't I already in talks with the girl who is supposed to bring "high quality" to the table??

I mean this entire thing just frustrates me and the "Seduction" community doesn't even address this shyt. Everybody is so focused on, "Here's 563 tips on getting laid" and not what the hell do you do AFTER you get laid, such as:

- How do you handle a relationship when you have certain needs, wants, desires and NO FVCKING woman is bringing that to the table?

- How do you handle the Family Court?

- How do you address the fact that marriage might start out good but quickly turn to hell?

- How do you address the fact that you might want to be a Father, but the chick will screw you over in the Court to stop that from happening?

Nobody discusses this shyt in the Seduction Commuity, it's all about how to get some a.ss, a.ss, a.ss, like we are obsessed 15 year olds just hitting puberty.

High quality women are more easily met through social circle game once you go past a certain age.
Is it possible to dominate some of the fatties that have all the other qualities into going and losing weight and working out(problem is they may slip in marriage)? Sometimes you have to mould them into what you want.
I think one of the problems is that you are jaded and its leaking into your mindset and outward projection. Dont get stuck in this rut you have a lot to be thankful for and it does affect your personality.

I have been going through some of your other posts but haven't pinpointed the exact answer I'm happy with.
Could you define what woman you class as high quality?

As far as protecting yourself, it has been discussed before. Setup and protect assets beforehand. Get legal advice so you have an idea beforehand.
Ltr game is a different beast, there are plenty of guys on here that are in ltrs that can help.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I have never, in 31 years, gotten ANY piece of a.ss (low quality or semi quality) where the GIRL came and approached me first. That has never happened in my life, and this notion that a high quality chick now....low quality chicks don't even do it....but a high quality chick is going to RUN UP TO ME and say "here I am" is just insane to me.

You know that if the guy doesn't start the approach, nothing is going to happen, so can you explain what you are recommending here?

You're missing the point. Nobody's saying girls will walk up to you. But if you forget about going places specifically to FIND GIRLS, and just do your own thing, then you'll see normal girls in normal situations.

AND you'll be able to tell, simply by how they're dressed how they talk, how they interact with others, how they interact with you whether or not they are "high quality," or at least high quality enough to get a number, and meet them a few times for further qualification.

Then you approach them. This takes much tighter game than meet markets since they're not wherever they are to "get picked up."

And what fvcking else do I need to work on man? I have degrees out of the a.ss, I have financial success, I fixed my damn looks, I have a NICE CAR, NICE PLACE, my personality in dealing with women is on point or else I wouldn't be able to pull a.ss period...what the hell else is there for me to work on??

When it comes to getting girls to fall in love with you (not to see you consciously as some kind of beta-provider) they have to be UNCONSCIOUSLY attracted to you.

They have to be willing to move heaven and earth to be with you, REGARDLESS of your social status or financial status or looks.

That's why the thugs you mention get their hero's welcome. They are creating UNCONSCIOUS attraction.

You are creating CONSCIOUS attraction. You fill girls' list of things she needs in her consciously chosen "beta provider."

You ARE NOT making these girls panties wet, based on your descriptions of what's going on.

AND (this is important) personality or "game" isn't some kind of switch that you either have or don't have. It's something that you can ALWAYS improve.

The purest measure of your game is the quality of girls you can pull. If you don't like the quality of girls you'll be able to pull, then simply INCREASE YOUR SOCIAL SKILLS.

You seem to think "game" is something like a degree or education. Once you've gotten your "game" certificate, there's no more learning needed.

I WISH the problem was something I could fix. Like I'm missing X, or Y, or I'm not doing enough of Z, I would just go fix the damn problem man but when the problem is REALLY the fvcking marketplace how the hell do I fix that??

The problem is not the market place. The problem is your skills. Increase your skills, and you'll increase the quality of women you meet.

You seem to be doing everything possible to avoid accepting this, but there it is.

So if I'm already talking to the good girl, the educated girl, the girl who gets off her a.ss and actually works, aren't I already in talks with the girl who is supposed to bring "high quality" to the table??

Nobody is "supposed" to bring anything to the table. They only give in exchange for what they get.

Your job is simple:

1) Create a list of specific criteria for your "high quality" girl.

2) Figure out how to sort girls for these qualities

3) Interact with girls anywhere you can and qualify them.

4) Date ONLY the ones that qualify. Disqualify the rest.

I mean this entire thing just frustrates me and the "Seduction" community doesn't even address this shyt. Everybody is so focused on, "Here's 563 tips on getting laid" and not what the hell do you do AFTER you get laid, such as:

The seduction community doesn't care about you. The seduction community only cares about getting laid, to large degree. The seduction community isn't responsible for your happiness or your life. Only YOU are.

- How do you handle a relationship when you have certain needs, wants, desires and NO FVCKING woman is bringing that to the table?

Meet more women and increase your skills.

- How do you handle the Family Court?

Choose very wisely by qualifying. Caveat Emptor.

- How do you address the fact that marriage might start out good but quickly turn to hell?

Choose very wisely by qualifying. Caveat Emptor.

- How do you address the fact that you might want to be a Father, but the chick will screw you over in the Court to stop that from happening?

Choose very wisely by qualifying. Caveat Emptor.

Nobody discusses this shyt in the Seduction Commuity, it's all about how to get some a.ss, a.ss, a.ss, like we are obsessed 15 year olds just hitting puberty.

The seduction community isn't responsible for your happiness and your life.

If you made that assumption, that's your fault.

 

[Tenacity]

taiyuu_otoko,

Okay, so if the problem is that I still have things left to work on me....then explain to me how I get laid then? I haven't kept track but I can try to sit down and remember every single date and girl I have fvcked since 2010 (I always use that as a metric as that's when I became this "full package" I talk about), it's been over a 100 women I know that. And I don't have to lie to anybody, I can try to remember every single chick, tell you the location, and try to find the number she had at the time I talked to her and her name. I don't have to lie about shyt, I always try to live life as openly and honest as possible because my goal here is to be a better TENACITY.

I can go to the club, to a business meeting, online, a dating site, and pull consistent A.SS and get consistent dates. In my phone right now I about 5 chicks I'm talking to on a consistent basis, others on and off.

If my social skills are horrible and if I have a shyt load of things to work on, HOW do I get this level of performance? I mean, maybe it IS something with me, I don't know, the reason I have brushed it off that it could be ME is because how in the hell do I keep getting so many new dates and new pieces of a.ss then??

And understand when I mention the Thugs, I'm talking about a cultural ISSUE in the black community where Thugs are prompted up as "authentically black" where others are not. That's not just with women, across the board being educated is seen as "acting white". That's what I'm talking about when I bring up the scumbags, I'm not talking about some pseudo "bad boy vs nice guy" bullshyt.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

This is going to be my last post on this issue. This is getting tiresome.

It's just that this same argument is dragged out over and over and over.

Not just here, but pretty everywhere else since the dawn of time.

And the argument is thus:

"I'm not getting what I want. It's not my fault. It's the world's fault. The world is broken. I'm fine. That's why I'm not X. Here's plenty of evidence to support my case..."

This argument contains:

1) Cognitive Dissonance
2) Confirmation Bias
3) Ego Protection
4) Lack of Responsibility

All things all humans have in excessive amounts.

This is precisely why humans are so easy to con by politicians, religious leaders, marketers. If you agree with somebody that their problems are not their fault, they don't need to do anything, and you can help them destroy their enemies (imaginary or not), they'll follow you off a cliff.

Anyhow...

...then explain to me how I get laid then?

Getting laid is easy. Most guys can do it. It's what humans do best. That's why there're 7 billion people on Earth.

If my social skills are horrible and if I have a shyt load of things to work on, HOW do I get this level of performance?

I never said your social skills were horrible.

Numbers are meaningless. You yourself said the quality you get is low. A high number of low quality women doesn't equate to huge social skills, or a fantastic level of performance.

Here's the bottom line:

If you want to improve the quality of the women you pull, increase your skills.

If you don't think you need to improve your skills, then accept that what you're getting now is all you're ever going to get.

Your life, your choice.

 

[seasonedplayer]

That analysis doesn't make sense. What tenacity is saying is that the market is bad, there are no quality women, so he is stepping away. I agree with him - all women are rubbish these days and are only good for sex so we must weigh the cost/benefit of dating/meals/okcupid etc v just paying for it. Maybe it is the world's fault - we have seen an explosion in government spending and money printing, the rich are becoming richer and girls are increasingly becoming gold diggers.

A good analogy is an investor looking to deploy cash, if the market is overpriced, then sometimes it is better to step away rather than 'force a trade' or waste time doing due diligence.

This is going to be my last post on this issue. This is getting tiresome.

It's just that this same argument is dragged out over and over and over.

Not just here, but pretty everywhere else since the dawn of time.

And the argument is thus:

"I'm not getting what I want. It's not my fault. It's the world's fault. The world is broken. I'm fine. That's why I'm not X. Here's plenty of evidence to support my case..."

This argument contains:

1) Cognitive Dissonance
2) Confirmation Bias
3) Ego Protection
4) Lack of Responsibility

All things all humans have in excessive amounts.

This is precisely why humans are so easy to con by politicians, religious leaders, marketers. If you agree with somebody that their problems are not their fault, they don't need to do anything, and you can help them destroy their enemies (imaginary or not), they'll follow you off a cliff.

Anyhow...




Getting laid is easy. Most guys can do it. It's what humans do best. That's why there're 7 billion people on Earth.





I never said your social skills were horrible.

Numbers are meaningless. You yourself said the quality you get is low. A high number of low quality women doesn't equate to huge social skills, or a fantastic level of performance.

Here's the bottom line:

If you want to improve the quality of the women you pull, increase your skills.

If you don't think you need to improve your skills, then accept that what you're getting now is all you're ever going to get.

Your life, your choice.

 

[zekko]

A good analogy is an investor looking to deploy cash, if the market is overpriced, then sometimes it is better to step away rather than 'force a trade' or waste time doing due diligence.

Well, there's always your hand. Doesn't get much cheaper than that...

 

[Tenacity]

taiyuu_otoko,

On page two of this thread I listed out what "could" be my issue in finding the quality woman that I define, which is one of a TRADITIONAL nature.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=222962&page=2

You look at post 24 on that page and I have the listings. YOU are saying I need to work on my development, my skills are NOT good enough yet and it could be my social skills, financial status, the way I dress, the way I talk, my personality, my dyck size, WHATEVER....the problem is ME. That's your stance.

But then I ask you once again, how can you explain a consistent stream of new girls, new numbers, new dates, new sex, new short term relationships, all of which I'm able to generate?

You CANNOT with a straight face say "any guy" can do that, because if "any guy" could do that you wouldn't have 85% of the posts, complaints, etc. that are across the "Manosphere" right now. The guys are complaining that they CAN'T get consistent streams of new women.


Can you explain why you rule out that the MARKET IS JUST BAD as a possibility?

"Choose very wisely by qualifying. Caveat Emptor."

This is what you say in response to a bad market analysis? Just qualify better? Doesn't that assume that QUALITY is out there and you just haven't found it? WHAT IF it's not out there taiyuu_otoko? Or that if it's out there, it's SO RARE that it's "practically non-existent" like a damn Snow Leopard?

Which means, you are going to have to SETTLE for a Low Quality Chick, wich means I would have to learn to tolerate complete and utter bullshyt, such as:

- Dealing with the fact she is or might become FAT AS HELL, and just dealing with it or fvck it, become FAT LIKE HER

- Dealing with the fact that she might come to me with 1-3 kids from 1-3 thugs who are currently locked up in 1-3 different prisons

- Dealing with the fact that once we are in a relationship the sex is going to dry up to the point where I'm going to FEEL like cheating because the bytch isn't fvcking me

- Dealing with the fact that I won't feel loved, cherished, praised, SHYT in the relationship and it's mainly going to be about catering to the needs, wants, desires of this bytch

- Dealing with the fact that if I get her pregnant, she has a HIGH CHANCE of screwing me the fvck over in Family Court

- Dealing with the fact that "if I fall in love and marry the bytch" she has a HIGH CHANCE (pre-nup or not) of screwing me over in teh Family Court

- Dealing with the fact that she's probably FVCKING one of my guy friends

- Dealing with the fact that her family is most likely psycho as HELL

- Dealing with the fact that her financial management skills are on the level of a 10 year old

- Dealing with the fact that she's fvcking LAZY

That's the damn market! There's no amount of me working out more, making more money (let's go from high 5's/low 6's to 7 figures then), "speaking more seductively" or anything like that's going to change this shyt.

This is a result of far left politics and feminism, it has created a fvcked up culture out here....and you are being disingenuous as HELL to act like this shyt is just some small occurrence and there's an OVERBUNDANCE of quality chicks out here that are waiting for YOU to "fix your skills as high as they can be" and they will come RUNNING into your fvcking lap.

That's bullshyt man lol.

 

[Tenacity]

I still don't understand how you haven't been able to grasp taiyuu's finer point.

Being able to bang Lequisha from the club isn't the same as being able to attract and keep a high quality girl.

This reality is a tougher pill to swallow than the red pill and it's clearly your ego holding you back.

But the women I'm spinning are considered to be the "good girl," the educated, quiet and nice girl....I'm not banging hood chicks and I explained that point earlier in the thread.

 

[hithard]

But the women I'm spinning are considered to be the "good girl," the educated, quiet and nice girl....I'm not banging hood chicks and I explained that point earlier in the thread.

Define a quality woman in your eyes. Have you actually ever seen one up to your standards?
Picking up whenever I want doesn't mean getting the quality I want. You already said these girls had flaws so your qualifying is non existent.
So you either force fatties to workout or take taiyuu_otoko advice because its golden. This bs that their ain't no quality girls out there is just lazy. There are billions of women out there. Your argument seems to be that you can't find quality from your pickups. Why pickup girls that dont pass muster in the first place if they have obvious defects from the get go?

 

[Tenacity]

Define a quality woman in your eyes. Have you actually ever seen one up to your standards?
Picking up whenever I want doesn't mean getting the quality I want. You already said these girls had flaws so your qualifying is non existent.
So you either force fatties to workout or take taiyuu_otoko advice because its golden. This bs that their ain't no quality girls out there is just lazy. There are billions of women out there. Your argument seems to be that you can't find quality from your pickups. Why pickup girls that dont pass muster in the first place if they have obvious defects from the get go?

High Quality to me is a chick of a traditional nature, who values men who are about building, economic power, leaving a legacy, etc. and she supports and stands by that man in that progression. She's LOYAL, she stands as a support to me and doesn't try to compete with me, extract resources from me, etc. She's literally my PARTNER and actual HELP MEET.

The women I get aren't loyal, they don't cook, they don't clean, they don't take care of themselves to the point of not being overweight, they don't have restrictions on making kids from deadbeats, etc., I have listed these things out before.

In a nutshell, the women I'm getting are Fvck and Short Term Relationship material based on my definition of High Quality, not Long Term Relationship material. The question is why am I only getting these results?

- Is it that my development isn't done?

- Is it where I'm meeting the women?

- Are my standards and definition of high quality too high or out of whack?

- Should I just give it more time?

- Or is the market just bad?

 

[hithard]

High Quality to me is a chick of a traditional nature, who values men who are about building, economic power, leaving a legacy, etc. and she supports and stands by that man in that progression. She's LOYAL, she stands as a support to me and doesn't try to compete with me, extract resources from me, etc. She's literally my PARTNER and actual HELP MEET.

The women I get aren't loyal, they don't cook, they don't clean, they don't take care of themselves to the point of not being overweight, they don't have restrictions on making kids from deadbeats, etc., I have listed these things out before.

In a nutshell, the women I'm getting are Fvck and Short Term Relationship material based on my definition of High Quality, not Long Term Relationship material. The question is why am I only getting these results?

- Is it that my development isn't done?

- Is it where I'm meeting the women?

- Are my standards and definition of high quality too high or out of whack?

- Should I just give it more time?

- Or is the market just bad?

The market is full of these ****ty types of women and they tend to clump in certain areas.You need to qualify and go through the checklist and decide if they have enough of the fundamentals for you to mould them into what you want. If they have divorced parents , bad upbringing, etc (obviously you already know this stuff ) they are fb at best.
For me I expanded social circles. I went to cooking classes , business seminars, fitness groups with the intention of not picking up but befriending and pushing into these girls social circles in subjects I was interested in or subjects I wanted them to be interested in. This way I had the inside gossip on who was single, got to watch them and their character traits in a group dynamic, if they would clean up and serve guests or were just lazy.
Expand your options into areas of pickup you have not tapped yet. If your same routine and area of pickup is not yielding results you need to change it and think outside the box.

Your standards are not to high either. It is just a lot more difficult for men, thats why most just settle for what the can get.

 

[Tenacity]

I see, and yes, I agree that my standards aren't unreasonable. I'm thinking that the market is just horrible and that my standards (if I'm going to be in a relationship) are just going to have to be thrown out of the window, and I'm going to have to just DEAL with the bullshyt.

A guy on Youtube named Tommy Sotomayor was covering how football star Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson) is engaged or going with a new chick and that chick has 4 KIDS from 4 different dudes, and apparently the dudes are either deadbeats or not upstanding Fathers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JRhtGxnqI

That guy is a million dollar athlete, seemingly looks like a handsome guy, obviously in shape, he would be the top 1% of men in the COUNTRY based on any scale or measurement. That's including WHITE and BLACK men, if you look at just Black Men he's the top .1%! And look what he has to pick from? The best the market can produce for him is still a chick with 4 kids from 4 different dudes.

So when people like taiyuu_otoko say that you need to just INCREASE your skills, as a Black Man, I don't think you can get higher than Chad Johnson in terms of social status, money, looks, physique, etc, etc.

The market is just bad and if you want to be in a relationship, you are just going to have to TOLERATE the bullshyt.

 

[Broham]

Be careful what you wish for.

One of the main reasons I married my wife is because of her upbringing and strong family values. Fast forward eight years and at age 31, she is completely co-dependent on them emotionally and financially. We have moved out of state twice so that she could live near them, and they are basically co-parents to our son.

What I initially thought was a blessing turned out to be a curse.

There are women who may appear to be high quality on the surface but turn out to be low quality, and vice versa. Also remember some women are moldable, especially in the looks department if you are persuasive enough.

 

[Broham]

In response to the Chad Johnson comment, how do you know the woman he is marrying is "low quality?" Do you know her personally? Also, why does being a wealthy celebrity automatically put him in your "high quality" book? I interact with wealthy people on a daily basis and there are very few of which I would categorize as "high quality".

Chances are, she probably is an attractive gold digger looking for a sugar daddy - but certainly not because that's all that's left. CJ's "value" lies in his money and looks, two factors quality women will dismiss in favor of confidence, purpose and a strong moral code.

 

[hithard]

So when people like taiyuu_otoko say that you need to just INCREASE your skills, as a Black Man, I don't think you can get higher than Chad Johnson in terms of social status, money, looks, physique, etc, etc.

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Whoa this guy has ghetto form. How many kids does he have to different women and then knocks up a bartender. This guy needs a major fcuken lesson in qualifying. Unfortunately a lot of black males did not have strong father figures and instead were brought up by single mothers. You say his issue is a bad market, I say his problem is his own self worth and shocking inner game. The guy is good at sports and made money. Not good at choosing good women.
There are thousands of examples of strong proud black men and women in relationships. I'm not saying there isn't issues in that market, but you picked an extreme example.

The market place has both good and bad. You are focusing on one side out of frustration and its feeding into negative results.

 

[Tenacity]

My thing with the Chad Johnson example was that in terms of "increasing your marketplace value" as a guy you can't get HIGHER than that. That's my point. It's in response to the posters who responded saying that my analysis might be off in relation to saying the Market is just horrible and that I should work on increasing my "value".

You can't get a higher value than Chad Johnson, now we can say that he might not be choosing the right types of women and that might be a valid argument, but the types of women that guy is mainly receiving are the same low quality chicks that any average BROKE thug receives.

To the topic of the thread, I'm coming to the point where I just need to get settled into this new reality going forward. It's going to be hard as my expectations were HIGH, very HIGH, once I became this "balanced guy" and I am just not receiving that from the marketplace.....and it's because the shyt isn't AVAILABLE in the marketplace. You guys might disagree with me, and I know it's a little smug of me to create this thread and debate back and forth your opinions, but I just can't see how this MARKET isn't the blame for this situation.