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I am going to steal a few words from Da kidd from the pimps network and add some of my own Sh*t to it to help teach observation.




Observation
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In this game, observation is the key. Without the ability to properly observe a situation, the analysis of any given situation will be far from accurate.


It also helps to know what you are looking for in the women that you select.

According to Arthur Gordon there are 3 types of women out there:

1. the good girl. This is the type of B*tch whom a N*gga wants to marry or settle down with. She is the nice one who does everything for her man. She comes from her heart. Everything that she does is based around how in love with you that she is.

2. The Freak. Ahhh the freak is the one who breaks N*gga's hearts, have them up at night wondering where she is at and who she is ****ing. Freaks usually become strippers or those *****es you see who dress like all she wants is attention. Freaks come at you on the sexual tip. If you look like your packin and can put it down then they will be all up on ya. These are usually the ones you see chasin after brotha’s cause of our reputation for fawking and having big dycks.

Which is exactly what they want, and they will get it from anyone. Most freaks love sex and will always have a waiting list of N*gga's to call. You've seen them with their garish outfits and overdone make up on. Usually they are the freakiest dancers in the clubs. These are the *****es who just need a little push to put them on the stage and from their onto a track selling that cat.

3. Ho's. These are the professional *****es who already ho. These *****es will only do it for money or material gain of some sort. The mild form of a ho is a gold digger. The serious form is your common street walking ho. According to Gordon, many high school cheerleaders are ho’s in training. They sell their bodies to the atheletes for the currency of popularity. I’m sure you’ve seen fine women with old assed men. Look at Anna Nicole Smith. She is a ho. Many ho’s become groupies for Sports or Entertainment stars. These are the ones who marry those guys and then divorce them later for millions.

Knowing what type your dealing with will determine what type of game you spit at her. Good girls you do the old fashioned Sh*t. Freaks since they only want fun and sex, you show her how much fun it is hangin out with you. Freaks you use your career or where your going in life and how much money and toys you have.
To try the approach of a ho on a good girl will get you nowhere. I’m sure many people have seen or heard of idiots trying to impress a good girl with how much money he makes and getting shot down.

Ok now back to further observation skills:





The amount of observation necessary varies per situation. If you are out of town (or out of your environment), you shouldn't spend near as much time observing as you would where you live.

The reason for this is simple. When your azz is on vacation, you can afford to make a few mistakes like cold approaches (i.e. very little if any eye contact, etc.), because you aren't going to be there long enough for the consequences to affect you. But, since the majority of us aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so lets focus on long term observation.

The first thing you want to do when observing is to set up your 'base of operations'. This is where you sit yourself down somewhere, be it school, the club, the mall, whatever, and remain stationary. What I like to do as you’ve seen me post is stand on the edge of the dance floor so that I can be seen and can see who is looking at me.

You gotta fight the temptation to eye ball your surroundings. This makes you look hungry like the rest of the nyggas up in thurr. Trust me, if a biytch likes what she sees, she will put herself in your perimeter. Just make sure that you are sitting or standing somewhere highly visible.

If you have to be the 1st one in the club to get a good seat. What you want to keep an eye out for is what Da Kidd over at the pimps network (and whom I took the outline for this post from) calls 'the perimeter breach'. This is basically when a girl is all in your
area. She will probably glance at you occasionally and jock you on the subtle tip. She is wondering why if all of these other guys are up her ass, why aren't you.

How you react to this depends on environmental factors. “If you are out of town, throw your fingers up and beckon that B*tch to you. If you are on your home turf, try to chill. Remember, chances are that the B*tch lives there too, and you will probably see her again. This is where patience kicks in.”—Da Kidd

Da Kidd also said remain a mystery to them. He further went on to say that you shouldn’t try to run down every girl that you see. Remember the saying "chase a ho and get a chumps cop, Stalk a ho ( do your homework on her ass) and get a pimps cop. Cop stands for having her on your team.

This shyt will take some time to get used to, but will pay off in the long run. “Remember...you aren't going anywhere, and neither are they. Drive their curiosity to a fever pitch. When they finally do speak to you or you decide that they are jocking you so tough that it's time to make that move, the amount of static she gives you (depending on your approach, of course) will be much of nothing.”

One key thing to remember is this... women jock men on the sneak. Not the way the we jock them. If you know this, you can use this against them. If you can see them, then they can see you…ie my standing on the edge of the dance floor or sometimes in the middle of it. I make people move around me sometimes. At the edge or in the middle of the floor.

If a byitch is on your Sh*t, she will position herself where she can get a good view of you. If you are sitting near the dance floor, and hoes start dancing like right in front of you, chances are they are jocking you. Especially if the dance floor isn't packed and they didn't have to dance right there. The less crowded an environment is, the more 'clean-cut' observations are. If the joint is jumpin', then you will have to rely
more on eye contact, proximity, and other subtle factors.


Here is an example: Lets say that you went to a mall or a lounge at school, and a B*tch is sitting quite a ways from you and tries to throw some trash away in the can that is in your proximity. No big deal right? WRONG. How about if there was a trash can a lot closer to her than yours was. She didn't have to come way over here just to throw away a lollipop stick, then return to her seat. Most people don't think twice about things like that, but they should. That is an excellent example of subtle jocking. If your obsevation skills are not up to par, you would miss that incident and quite a few more which could have been very revealing. Observations skills are hard to teach over the internet.

I always tell my buddies that I’m “on” 24/7. If I’m awake then I am alert and paying attention. I always notice when women are jocking me. This is why I’ve been successful in the night clubs at meeting women. You must pay attention at all times.

About 4 years ago I went to this thing called Burningman http://www.burningman.com
I was working for channel 6 in Sacramento with my buddy doing a story on this week long freak fest up in the Nevada desert. I was at one of the huge rave tents and had fallen asleep to the driving beats of techno/trance.

Suddenly I awoke to feel someone starring at me. I looked around and saw a ho that I new from my own town trying to figure out if it was me or not.

Here is an exercise that I want you to try: sit yourself down in the mall or at school or a book store and just practice. Watch which hoes decide to sit near you even when there are chairs all over the damn place. How many times a particular broad walks back and forth in front of you for no damn apparent reason at all.

Do this for a little while, then try your luck at the club. In the club, however, hoes are a little more aware that they are being watched, and will be a little harder to read. But, if you know what subtleties to look for, it won't be too hard. Soon you won't be getting dissed anymore because you will know exactly which broad(s) actually want to holla at you. As you know about my direct approach style based on my eye contact post, I don’t holla unless the ho is choosing.

There are other styles out there such as indirect and other seduction mixes. With indirect you holla at every ho even if there is no eye contact. This style you gotta have your game intact and going strong. There are pro’s and cons of each style out there.

But for this one get to practicing.
 

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This is interesting. I have a friend who's real good at this. He can observe a whole room and can tell which broad is going to be open to being hit on within seconds of walking in there. He tells me the same thing, observe everything. This should be in the bible no doubt.
 

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This makes sense and I certainly do it, but I think it is too easy to take this too far. I mean you could sit on your azz all night observing and trying to figure out which chics are trying to get your attention (aka jocking you.)

I guess it depends on the level of your game, but the beginning DJs should just try to make eye contact and then approach without worrying too much about observing how much the girls are jocking them. Once a man is confortable approaching he can start trying to be more selective to improve his odds.

But doing this just as an experiment in a mall or bookstore is a pretty interesting idea. Some guys who think they aren't appealling to women might be surprised how many times chics will walk by them and put themselves where they can talk to them.
 

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Very interesting post Player. I am going to try your exercise.
 

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Quite an interesting post and so true. Now that I think about my past encounters with certain women, these subtle behaviors that I consider to be part of the mating dance come to mind although at the time I was not too keen to realize what was going on or just dismissed it.


I think being aware of your surroundings and having the big picture to determine what women are open to your advances is your inner radar so to speak. Unfortunately, some guys have it and some don't. Naturally the ones who do are successful with women and that one's who don't are constantly struggling. I am the latter. I can't count how many times someone has told me so and so was checking me out I being oblivious to it all thereby blowing my chances. The problem is I always second guess myself and can't believe that a particular girl would be interested in me even when I got a certain feeling that she likes me.
 

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i have a knack for figuring out who's the smartest/dumbest chick in a room.

i've been to Burning Man fest. it's crazy.
 
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yeah a bunch of techno geeks and drugs and fat dykes is the majority out there. But I managed to find 2 fine school teacher ho's for me and my buddy. We traded a night in our RV for sex. Other wise they woulda had to sleep out in the Rain.

My boys ho tried to pull that let's just sleep ****...while I was back there fawking in the King size bed.

So I told his girl to come to bed with me and mine...my boy tried to get his but couldn't until after I fawked her. Which was after boning my own.

And to think they were school teachers....
 

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Observation is meaningless without deduction. However, having the confidence in yourself to just sit and have a brew without worrying where the ladies are is critical.
 

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Great post. :D


i also liked this

Quote : Player_Supreme
" We traded a night in our RV for sex. Other wise they woulda had to sleep out in the Rain. "

yeah you gotta love when it's raining of freezing cold and b*tches want to ride in your car

sounds like something me and my wingman would do :)

Quote : Player_Supreme
" My boys ho tried to pull that let's just sleep ****... "

there's always one HO who doesn't want to get with the program and tries to fu** things up

thats when you have to LEAD as you did here

Quote : Player_Supreme
" So I told his girl to come to bed with me and mine... "

and you kept your pimp hand strong with the whole

Quote : Player_Supreme
" Other wise they woulda had to sleep out in the Rain. "


NICE WORK :D




Lost In Translation

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**
 

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hey Player supreme!

I'd like to learn more about those observation skills. Where did
you get that stuff from? Is there more?

I've got a something to add here. I've read that women have
(on average) much better periferal vision than guys do. Yes, it's
been proven impirically. As a result of this women are much better
checking us out than we are at checking them out. They can
do it without us noticing.

I've always felt like I never get checked out. But recently, I went
to a club with a neighbor who is a natural. He's 16 and has banged 22 chicks. He realizes by the way that he's gifted at picking up HB's.

Anyway, he told me afterward that some chick in a red dress was
checking me out. I didn't even notice this. Louis told me that she kept looking at me and eventually gave up. Loius was saying to
himself "Geoff approach now------now!" But I never say any of the signals. Loious told me that she thought "he must not be interested.

****!
 
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Re: hey Player supreme!

Originally posted by gmm567
I'd like to learn more about those observation skills. Where did
you get that stuff from? Is there more?

I've got a something to add here. I've read that women have
(on average) much better periferal vision than guys do. Yes, it's
been proven impirically. As a result of this women are much better
checking us out than we are at checking them out. They can
do it without us noticing.

I've always felt like I never get checked out. But recently, I went
to a club with a neighbor who is a natural. He's 16 and has banged 22 chicks. He realizes by the way that he's gifted at picking up HB's.

Anyway, he told me afterward that some chick in a red dress was
checking me out. I didn't even notice this. Louis told me that she kept looking at me and eventually gave up. Loius was saying to
himself "Geoff approach now------now!" But I never say any of the signals. Loious told me that she thought "he must not be interested.

****!
Where did I get it from????

My own lifestyle.
From my own experience.
From learning at the pimps network back in the days.

There used to be a cat up in there named Da Kidd who put it down way back in the beginning and we only expanded on this shyt.

The stuff on the 3 types of women is common knowledge in the black community. Ever listen to r&b or rap songs. A man named Arthur Gordon put it down on paper like that. I will repost his actuall words since what I used I had to re-edit for the pimps network.

Oh don't go looking for it...cause we are runnin non pimps out every day some fool recently posted some dating bull shyt up in there:

1918.1

Hi
Do women/girls necessarily need to LIKE a guy in order to have sex with him? Like, do escorts actually LIKE every guy they sleep with?
Do strippers actually LIKE every guy they engage in sexual contact with?

********************

Ok first of all we could tell he wasn't black. He started with hi, but that ok. it's not a color thang. But to ask stupid **** like that prompted my response:

Dam it's a dating question. Fawk. Ok I'ma gonna answer this.
Most strippers hate/or do not even like or care about the men the perform for as well as escorts.

Now how old are you homie and how did you find your way up in here?

Who gave you this web address?

*******************

And it prompted a post from another playa:

What has happen to the pimp-network? Where are the thinkers and creators of knowledge? The perceptual influence of this new herd of low-thinkers has literally taken over the network. The virus of bull**** has successfully inoculated the network. In the begining, the network had an incredibly powerful and fast-acting effect on my mind creating a out-of-body experience which can only be compared to killing the sense of self and starting over. A sacrament I took very serious, the network helped me to gain knowledge, interact with smart brothas, and learn game. The ingestion of all this sacred knowledge changed me forever, but now this network is a ghost in the machine!

*********************

so we are busy runnin the fake pimps out. I wouldn't bother trying to get up in there...you dig.
 
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Sorry couldn't find the original so here is my complete post on that subject:



Here is some more **** that I read about the 3 types of *****es re-edited for the pn network by me, originally written by Authur Gordon.
The Three Types of Women: The Ho, The Freak and the Good Girl
"Once you have the ability to discern what a woman's true personal core consists
of, you know on what basis to interact with her. This is the root to handling a woman to
your satisfaction - knowing her basic type before you get involved. If you don't realize
her true type, you automatically are at a disadvantage in your involvement with her - you are off-base and unable to properly evaluate her actions according to her true type.
Here is an example of why this is so fundamentally important. If you are
involved with a woman who has a penchant for being flirtatious with other men there are completely different reasons for her being that way, depending on her basic type. If she is a Ho, she's being flirtatious with the idea of making some money in mind. If she's a Freak, it's because she desires to "play," or to reassure herself as to her desirability. If she's a Good Girl, she could be attempting to arouse in you feelings of jealousy, which will reassure her that you care for her. If you show jealousy to a Good Girl, she feels more yours, more secure in your relationship. If you show jealousy to a freak, it shows her that she has you under control, and weakens your control over her.
And if you are the one being flirted with, not being able to discern the type of
woman flirting with you could have negative ramifications. If you read into a Good Girl's
flirtation that you can "get something done" with her, if you mistake her for a Freak and think she actually, if persuaded properly, will have
sex with you, you will be badly disappointed when she draws a line she will not
cross with you as far as intimacy goes. If you react to a Freak's flirtations thinking she is a Good Girl, you will be considered "too serious" for her, or not sexually adventurous enough and she is turned off. And if you don't realize a Ho is a Ho, and her flirtations with you are to get you to spend your money, and not because of you per se, you run the risk of getting your feelings hurt-along with your wallet."
So, you can see the importance of being correct with your observations. Your
proper diagnosis of a girl's true basic type could prove as beneficial to your mental health as a doctor's proper diagnosis to your physical well-being.
Properly determining a girl's basic type is possible by thorough knowledge of
each type's main characteristics, and mentally evaluating a woman much the same way as a baseball scout would evaluate a prospect for the team; close observation of not only
major or overt actions but also small details, habits, idiosyncrasies and mindset exhibited.
Through continued practice and experience, you will be able to "scout out" good, hot
prospects for your team."
************
It's hard to leave a point not at least detailed enough that it makes
some type of mutha ****in sense
Some of
this stuff is like the Mercedes-Benz safety innovations - too important to keep under
patent. Such a simple clarification in your mind as to what type of girl you are dealing
with - Ho, Freak or Good Girl - makes all the difference in the world sometimes between
great success or abject failure. Not distinguishing this is the number one cause of mutha ****a’s
getting the "you're too nice for me"
Which TYPE of Biatch are you ****ing with?
************
When you look to get married, you are not going to retire from the battle of the
sexes; you are going to select your lifelong opponent!
Woe to the man who loses control of the woman after married. To those who
are reading this and have already felt the pain of the legal dissolution of an emotional
commitment -divorce- you have my heartfelt sympathy, but too bad ya shoulda known.
It isn't that you were inadequate - you were probably just simply dealing with a Freak or a Ho
instead of a Good Girl! And some *****es will hide the type they know they are on purpose!
Learn the details of the Three Basic Types, and make sure You are not
the one played for a foo…!
Let's detail the Three Basic Types of Women.
It is absolutely necessary to know the type of a woman - Ho, Freak, or Good
Girl - you are targeting for your pimping attention.
No woman is 100 % of any one type - for example, you can catch a Good Girl's
attention with a display of wealth (that’s your clout), but her bottom line is that she's at least going to have to feel she can grow to love you over time, because a Good Girl will not marry you just for your money. But a Good Girl is the type that will marry you even if you don't have anything but love for her. This is the type of girl that gives a man inspiration to achieve in life; she makes it worth going out into the world for, and enjoyable to come home to.
If a man mistakes her for a Freak, whose bottom line is the new and exciting,
usually sexual experience; the type to whom the worst fate imaginable is to be bored - if
he misplays the Good Girl because he's been told that all women are the same, or, worse, he hasn't been told that they are NOT all the same and in exactly what way are they different - and just focuses on her sexually, then eventually his money is not going to be enough to keep her; finding love is a Good Girl's bottom line.
A Ho may marry a man for his money (a lot of Hoes have only one client - their
husband!) and even if he is old and frail and unable to perform sexually, she will not
jeopardize her position for mere sexual satisfaction by cheating on him; the Ho's bottom
line is wealth and/or status. A lot of cheerleaders in high school are hoes-in-training,
selling out to the top athlete in order to gain the currency of popularity.
And of course we here on the pn know about the common ordinary street ho and her motivations.
A freak is where we want to put our aspiring pimpin attention to!
A Freak may be attracted to a wealthy man, or a man who shows a lot of clout and even if he is, Bling Bling, and she is married to him, she still would risk getting
divorced because of the excitement of having sex with the bodyguard under a boardwalk
pier. To a Freak, the new and exciting, usually sexual, is her bottom line. That's why
boredom is so intolerable to this type girl, and she will risk danger to experience the
taboo or forbidden simply because to her it's exciting, and "something to do".
But even Freaks have a sense of convention and a female desire for security -
remember, no ***** is 100 % of any type - it is the bottom-line choices that she makes that shows her true type.
"About the age of twenty-five or so, a Freak will start to look for someone to
settle down with. She almost always desires a "symp" (a male who allows the woman to
be dominant mentally), not a man, because a symp will allow her to continue her freak
way of constantly seeking male attention. This explains why you see beautiful girls
married to average-looking guys - she can easily control him - she can easily control him, and therefore the relationship, by making him feel his ass
is "lucky" to have her because other beauty. She may not necessarily have sex with
another man after she's married, but neither she nor that po..fool, can ever be truly sure
she won't. This is the type that is susceptible to the office or work affair. Over a period of time the nature of the Freak and her actions have a corrosive effect on the male's ego. If you do divorce the biatch, your prenuptial may keep your wallet intact, but it does nothing for the damage to your ego and pride. If you have money and are going to allow a woman to marry you for it, better a Ho than a Freak. Both choices, however, are bad.
"But, lots of times guys are willing to sacrifice their pride and control over the
woman they **** with in order to obtain one that is extremely beautiful and attractive. Not us mutha ****a’s of course!
This is a personal decision a male must make for himself. A Freak is capable of
innocently, by her nature, conducting herself with other men in a way that is
borderline "come-on". In other words, she is capable of giving off the impression to other
men that, although she is with you, she is still available sexually to them if the right
buttons are pushed. Again, she may not actually be available, but her nature requires her to give that impression in order to receive the level of male attention she needs to verify her desirability.
"Freaks are sometimes able to learn Ho behavior, but it is against basic type and
usually results in psychological conflict. Eventually she may cease from actually giving
access to her sex for money, but is comfortable with such things as posing naked for
photography, or doing strip routines in nightclubs, things that are sexually provocative
but do not require her to actually have impersonal sex for money. Girls who are
"****teasers" are Freaks. She might "give it up", she might not. How much do you want
her and what are you willing to do for it to reaffirm her desirability is her criteria for
deciding.
 
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"That attitude is at the crux of the Freak's nature - her need for personal
recognition and a constant reaffirmation other femininity.
When you attempt to get more than what a Freak gives sexually, by trying to turn the
relationship into a deep emotional commitment, not only will you be unsuccessful, but
also you will spoil the sex you're getting, because it will be time for her to move on and
find someone else to "fall in love" with. Or worse, she will allow you to get deeply
emotionally involved so that she can enjoy the thrill of going through the wedding
process, itself something new and exciting "to do". Unfortunately, lots of times when this
particular new thrill wears off, so does the marriage."
One of the main sources of frustration men have with women is one they create
for themselves by treating a woman against type. If, early in the interaction, you treat a
Freak as a Good Girl, a woman who wants love and loyalty, that's when you get the
brush-off as "a nice guy" or "too serious" or "I just want to be friends". It wasn't that you
were too nice, it was that you were too nice with the wrong type girl! Your approach
would have worked perfectly with a Good Girl, who herself wanted a nice guy who was
serious.

Beware of any advice that does not specifically address the basic types of
women in how you approach them. Not all women are the same, so all techniques do not
work the same on all women! Unless the technique and strategy you are being told about is specifically directed toward one of the three types of women, how can it be guaranteed to be effective?
It's amazing how easily handling women becomes if you know her true basic
type. Like sports, a solid grounding in the fundamentals will get you results if you learn
the right techniques to make you effective. This is why we here at pn network gotta get our skilz together and learn all that we can about handling *****es and reversing the game

--ZenMack Aka Player_Supreme

Mackin at the level of Zen
 

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Man Player, you should write an E-book and get out there like David Deangelo and Gunwitch.

Tariq Nasheed has some good info, but you definitely have more of a passion for helping people with their game.
 

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i think I have a cross between a good girl and a freak. wtf? Is that even possible? Or is she really a freak that pretends to be a good girl because she thinks thats what I am looking for? except in the bedroom. ;-)

mike
 

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GotDaayum!! That's some gooooooooooood shyt there!

Thanks!!!
 
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Originally posted by KC_Seductive
Man Player, you should write an E-book and get out there like David Deangelo and Gunwitch.

Tariq Nasheed has some good info, but you definitely have more of a passion for helping people with their game.
Thanks Playa!
 
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Originally posted by persistent exaction
i think I have a cross between a good girl and a freak. wtf? Is that even possible? Or is she really a freak that pretends to be a good girl because she thinks thats what I am looking for? except in the bedroom. ;-)

mike
Yeah. Many girls are a mix of types. I have one who you would think is a good girl. She wears nerdy glasses. Has long hair to her butt. Clean white skin. Pretty face. Works in the finance industry and dressess's kinda nerdy or older than she is at 29.

She has freak tendacies. She enjoys looking at womens bodies and going to strip clubs. She used to also be involved in the swinger life-style...and she makes comments about being wholesome and ammish. Uhh hell naw bytch...you's part freak.
 

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Good **** player!!!! I never thought of it quite that way before. So lemme ask you this. Can you give a brief example of how to approach each of the three types? I now understand how to identify each of the three types but once I do, where do I go from there? How do I talk to each type? What kind of things do I say?
 
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