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"Jerks vs. Nice Guys" Part infinity....

Discussion in 'Don Juan Tips' started by Adonis, Aug 23, 2000.

  1. Adonis

    Adonis Master Don Juan

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    This discussion will forever go around in circles - the main forum is already laddened with this debate. So here something to think about.....

    Have you ever stop and think to wonder why most women seem to go after all the wrong guys for all the wrongs reasons? To completely end the mystery that perhaps many of you men in the group may have been wondering about for a while, most women absolutely DO go after jerks. But to say "jerk" is not a truly accurate description of the type of men these women go after.

    Women go after men who are incredibly self-confident with women? -- No, not entirely. They go after the man who is not afraid of their p@ssy? (please forgive the blunt language) -- Not really, either. Well I think the truth is this: Women, more times than not, don't even know THEMSELVES what it is they are after. Very seldom do the ever stop to sit down and think of what kind of guy they would really like to have in their life. Their idea is ambiguous at best.

    So it really comes down to this. Women just plainly and purely end up going after the guy who can make them feel the best. Period. The WAYS in which they are made to feel good by the guy(s) they ultimately select are irrelevant. That's where, and why, they get into trouble. In an instant gratification society, they just go after what turns them on the most, first. This is where the so-called "nice-guy" loses out (which is not an accurate description also). The so-called nice guy is generally not a smooth-talker. He does not come-on like he has loads and loads of great feelings and highs to spare, and generally not extrememly outspoken.

    From women's viewpoint, this is taken in all sorts of erroneous ways that it probably shouldn't be taken. But that's life, and the legacy of the poor "nice-guy." In passing, it should be noted for the record, that not ALL women go after the so-called "jerk" types. Do you want to know which women do? Only the women you want. So in that light, you may as well say "all" of them, right?

    When women continue to jack-over the guys they really should perhaps AT LEAST consider giving more of a chance to, these guys eventually, and usually quite quickly, begin to realize what kind of men the women they would like to have are going after. The result is that one day something just snaps inside of them, and they begin to emulate and become like the "jerks" that "most" women seem to love so much. In order to become that kind of man effectively, it usually has to be taken all the way to the end, for the "jerk" mindset would not be truly established if it were not. What that amounts to is becoming the "jerk" that smooth talks women and turns them on in many ways by showing that they have loads and loads of great feelings and highs to spare all for the woman. And in the end, after they have been promptly jacked, the guy dumps them.

    Why? Because that is the jerk's, and the women who go after jerks, legacy. So when women inadvertently, or purposely, create so-called "jerks" out of so-called "nice guys", they are just inadvertently f@cking over other women, their own kind.


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  2. Wrangler 5k

    Wrangler 5k Don Juan

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    As I've said before, what women really want to be is thrilled, and nice guys just don't thrill them. There's a perfect eample of this syndrome in one episode of the Simpsons, where Lisa had a crush on that bully that went "ha-ha". She got a thrill, but then she tried to change him, completely ignoring a sorta "nice guy" with Millhouse who wanted to her boyfriend. When he couldn't be changed, she dumped him. That's what all women do.

    If women really wanted nice guys, then they'd be fighting over the nice guys and coming after them from across the country. Instead they go after the rich and/or good looking guys, or guys with status. But nice guys just don't thrill them. So they don't go after them.



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  3. terminator911

    terminator911 Master Don Juan

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    You are talking about Nelson from the Simpsons. He's really funny, too!

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  4. Wrangler 5k

    Wrangler 5k Don Juan

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    Thanks.
     
  5. Squy

    Squy Master Don Juan

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  6. Princess-Spock

    Princess-Spock Senior Don Juan

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    Kinda scary to see how long this discussion has been going on around here, LOL!!


    To use a Gio-esque phrase; ALL people, female AND male, have a biological urge to go after (and/or choose) those that excite them. Since attraction is all about adrenaline, that's not hard to understand.

    Does niceness in men produce surges of adrenaline in women? No. Does niceness in WOMEN cause surges of adrenaline in MEN? NO.

    Why did I bold that last part? Because it occurred to me that, for all that you men scream about women not flinging themselves at nice men, there's no indication whatsoever that any of YOU are flinging yourselves at nice WOMEN. In fact, although there are countless posts about female beauty, how you define it, how you rate it, and most of all how you get it and keep it (not to mention threads on breasts, weight and the different ethnic groups' special sorts of physical appeal), how often on this site is there any mention of NICENESS as a desirable quality in women, or one that matters in the slightest? (And no, complaining about b!tches does NOT count as asking for niceness.)


    Frankly, guys, if you don't care about niceness in women, it's hypocritical to expect them to value it in YOU.


    Do some women spurn nice guys in favor of jerks? Sure.... just as you men are stampeding past nice WOMEN to get to the hot-looking b!tches that are all you care to try for.


    Do you want to attract someone? Then you've gotta turn them on, plain and simple. If you have great physical beauty, you're set. If not, confidence, style, intelligence, humor, being a great conversationalist and an interesting person can work for you much of the time... and it doesn't hurt to understand a little psychology, naturally.


    When you start looking for an LTR, keep in mind that mature people can make choices based on things BESIDES biological urges, and quality women will be looking for a wide range of virtues in you, niceness included, as YOU should be looking for in THEM. Would you really WANT a woman who did NOT think that niceness was a requirement for an LTR? I'd be AFRAID of a person like that, LOL!!


    There's NO need whatsoever to stop being nice, whatever your gender; as long as you have some sparkle to you, and aren't an @ss-kisser, you'll attract plenty of people, if you just give them the chance to check you out. :)

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  7. Secrets

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    Just so you know, you are completely WRONG. A nice woman is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Both in looks(petite,cute, girl next door kind of looks) and personality(polite, doesn't swear, doesn't yell and argue over any little thing) Do you know how hard it is to find a girl that type? And yes, meeting this type of girl gives me an adrenaline rush. Problem is, I have never met a single girl that is that type. These are the type of girls that marry their first boyfriend, usually before the age of 21 and they STAY married. I recently met two women that were my type and they were both married. The first was married at the age of 19, the other at only 17. If you know any woman that truely matches my definition of Nice please let me know, I'll ask her out.
     
  8. pilot0001

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    I think its more of a maturity thing. You want someone who's mature. And quite frankly its only the Mature 'nice' people that attract others. Its still my philosophy being the 'nice guy' but will ultimately find someone who you can truely keep. I know... its been said many 'nice guys' get dumped but EVENTUALLY they find a keeper. I don't hear too many of the 'jerks' getting married. And when they do, expect it to last only a few years.
     
  9. Secrets

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    I don't like using the term mature because most people associate age with maturity and I have realized thru experience that that is not the case. I have known women in their 30's and 40's that were not as mature as some teenage girls I've known. I prefer the term nice because a girl that's nice is going to stay nice as they get older. A girl that's b!tchy is going to stay b!tchy as she gets older and may even become more b!tchy. Most people would assume she would mature as she got older but I have found that not to be true most of the time with only a few exceptions.
     
  10. zinc

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    NICE girls in the sense that they are just NICE dont' seem to be a typically desireable type around here, and I think spock has a point. Most of us DO want a woman who doesn't manipulate us in a deceitful way, and one that cares about us and our feelings, but we don't want a frigid, quiet, average-looking girl either. I know I want my girl to actively WANT sex and innitiate it from time to time, I want her to be free to talk about things like that in public, or whenever, openly, and be willing to try new things.

    NICE girls, like NICE guys tend to shy away from these things, which, like with NICE GUYS to nice girls, fail to ignite any kind of passion [​IMG]
     
  11. Kid Quick

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    You're dead on. Many more women turn down nice guys than guys who turn down nice women. Keep looking for nice, or as I prefer to say, classy women. It is tough, many of the classy ones are taken by men sick of so many women's die hard feminist, b*tchy attitudes. Many women have tried so hard to be just like men that they have adopted crass language and behavior. If only they knew how huge a turnoff that is.
     
  12. Secrets

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    Exactly! I'm so sick of women who want to be men. Don't they understand that we want to date a woman, or more to the point, a true lady?
     
  13. dark.spirit

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