I think we have blown this "friend" zone thing way out of proportion, and it seems that a lot of people are not capable of using their past experiences combined with what they learn of this site in order to formulate a factual hypothesis. Different situations will exhibit different behaviorisms, and usually nothing is set into stone. The whole idea is that once you become friends with a chick you loose all rights to becoming sexual with her. I don't believe that this is completely factual. The problem is usually that the guys who get into the typical "friend" relationships with females are most likely "AFCs", and they don't have any knowledge whatsoever on how to work that friend relationship into something more meaningful The difference between a regular "friend", and a "DJ friend" is that a DJF knows what he is doing. A regular friend does not understand women period. He waits around for the girl to make the move; he waits around forever hoping that his friendship will spark something in the girl. The girl on the other hand thinks the relationship is strictly platonic, and does not want to ruin it by introducing sexual feelings; it’s not her to job anyway... why would she? It’s not like she is desperate. Just the fact that the "AFC" is all over her indicates that she is not a looser to begin with. A lot of times the “AFC” friend has tons of potential to seduce the friend, but his AFCness always comes into the way. One thing you have to take into consideration is that it is always the "AFC's" who are the ones in dead end "friendship" relationships. When this particular "AFC" eventually graduates into becoming a Don Juan, they instantly relate all their bad experiences with women, with the times they were “friends” with women they loved. This is why you will see every ex-AFC guy crying about "friendship zone this, and friendship zone that" Now you may ask; why would a DJ should ever befriend a girl? Well there are various reasons to, Some of them are for social proof, others are to steal chicks away from their boyfriends, and another is sexual reserve (sometimes that can be good for extremely hot hot hot females, that are not attracted to normal guys period.). I believe that it is always good to have a few platonic female friends around. They are good company (social proof), and always have available friends who they can hook you up with. Remember that a recommendation from another female is probably the best possible tool that you can use to meet a new female. When you are introduced by a “DJ friend”, all of the doubts, and fears, and screens that she usually associates with meeting a new guy are instantly removed. Plus she does not have to worry about you being approved by her friends. “DJ friends” are usually great to just kick it with, and they are classified as "DJ friends" because they will never look at you in the same light, as they would if you were just a dumb ass "AFC" looking for companionship. The first reason is because “DJ friend” knows that you are a "real man". If she has introduced you to her friends, they will automatically relate all that info back about their dates, and sexual exploits with you, she will no that you are not a "*****". She will know that you know how to treat women, and this will definitely intrigue her. When a DJ has female friends, it is usually up to him, whether he keeps them as platonic friends or not. This is indicative even if in the begining they lack sexual desire towards him, and they only seem to want to maintain a nonphysical relationship. I know many DJ’s who maintain many "DJ friends" for this sole purpose. They are not brainwashed by the idea of "once you become friends with a chick, you automatically loose her". To them the idea of a female friend is usually "***** on reserve". They are the ones in control of when they access that *****. Another reason to become friend is if you are trying to steal the girl away from her boyfriend. This was mentioned in this post by D.L.G http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001137.html Now I am not saying that the "friendship" zone is always the correct method of seducing a female. This site has tons of literature on the how to do it the standard way. I actually don't recommend becoming friends with females for the sole purpose of getting a sexual relationship with them, first of it takes time, and with as many beautiful females as there are in this world, there is just very little point to doing it, unless that specific female is special to you for a reason. Sorta like if you are a personal trainer for a superstar like Halle Berry Even though I don’t believe the friendship method should be used over the standard methods for regular situations. I do believe is that a DJ should have every tool in his arsenal.