39 and just managed to force down the red pill. In need of advice.

[bullgoose]

Long story short. I am just out of an LTR of 13 years. While on holiday training boxing i met a girl. Instant connection who was really hot on me. I did everything right until she made it obvious then went to pieces. I became to available, **** i even took her on a bike trip and shared a hotel room (twin beds) without doing anything. BUT i don't believe i am blown out yet due to her knowing i had a girlfriend and being the shy quiet type. I also suspect she has now heard second hand my LTR is over and feel she may be opening the door for me. She is 24 so perhaps more likely to give another chance ??

Is there anyone who considers themselves a pro, willing to read her latest email and laugh at the **** i sent her at the same time and give me some advice how to proceed. I read it as her opening the door for me , hinting she is coming to my country. If so i have four weeks to grow some balls, meet her and attempt to hang out, have fun and hopefully ****. I am also aware i have caught a touch of oneitis with this one but i feel she is a good project/potential plate if i can only play my cards right.

I gotta pull this of !

p.s - In the last couple of weeks i read my first two books. The rational male by Tomassi and models attract women through honesty. Can someone suggest other books. I am thinking about buying the one from coach corey wayne , 3% man. What else do you consider essential reading ???

 

[Fruitbat]

One thing you don't want to hear....ALWAYS escalate sexually. It's your responsibility, and theirs to say no!

I am not the one to read it, I am not a pro. I'll have a go. Others give me advice more than the other way....

Plus, I don't know if I fully believe red pill, or if I red pilled at avery early age and am now going less extreme. I understand it, I just always blow it as soon as I get to ****ing them regularly. All I can say which helped me is.....always spin plates. Then you don't get oneitus, which you appear to be suffering from - takes one to know one as I get it, HARD!

Even then, I get "top plate" oneitus. I get into one girl and start getting annoyed at the others, which ironically makes them even hotter for me.

I changed my OLD from red pill alpha to blue pill provider and I get about 1000% more success so I don't know what I am doing right.

 

[bullgoose]

I need to never stop hearing ALWAYS escalate, i need it drummed into my head, it is my achilles' heel without a doubt. . Oneitus has wrecked many opportunities but i am fully aware of it now and not concerned that's an issue. IF what i think she is hinting at is correct , I will go to meet her, make the move and suck up rejection should it come while outright refusing LJBF. I will be visiting her city on business 4 weeks later, so my intention is simply to say .........., i am not going to be friends, i want more than that. I am in Stockholm x date to x date so if you change your mind let me know.

I am actively developing potential plates (technically i have made my ex GF one) , I have a 36 year old divorcee (Thai) to meet when i am in current targets city which i will still do even if successful. In no way do i intend to cease attempts elsewhere to focus on only her. I look at her as a training exercise, even if rejected it will be valuable practice. she's is cute but a bit of a chubber, a current 6, if she shed weight a potential 8 nay 7 !

 

[Urbanyst]

I changed my OLD from red pill alpha to blue pill provider and I get about 1000% more success so I don't know what I am doing right.

Its pretty obvious bro. A little thing called "low risk".

A beta provider has sources along with a submissive attitude. That spells low risk for a woman. She can expect to get a good amount of positive attention and money spent on her while also feeling in control. Women like to collect men as orbiters too and are always looks for new friends. A beta has potential to be her friend if things don't work out. Alphas won't be your friend. Its either sex or nothing.

For OLD you definitely want to play the high VALUE beta game. Alpha is beta clothing.

 

[Fruitbat]

Its pretty obvious bro. A little thing called "low risk".

A beta provider has sources along with a submissive attitude. That spells low risk for a woman. She can expect to get a good amount of positive attention and money spent on her while also feeling in control. Women like to collect men as orbiters too and are always looks for new friends. A beta has potential to be her friend if things don't work out. Alphas won't be your friend. Its either sex or nothing.

For OLD you definitely want to play the high VALUE beta game. Alpha is beta clothing.

\umm....I am not saying I say "I want to love you" I am just removing pics in no shirt and just having pics in nice smart clothing, hope you get what I mean.

Any woman who spends 10 minutes with me will figure I am not beta....I go stright for the pvssy, every time. My issue is, once I get agirl, I get romantic. That's my beta issue. Most of my firends know you don't leave a woman in my company without me trying something sexual.

I am not sure if that is alpha, beta or what, but whatever the weather, I ALWAYS try to rub the pvssy. I just get very intense and romantic.

Ithink beta is a bad expalination...I think "steady guy. non player" is a better one. I don't look like a wuss, more like a potential dad.

 

[Fruitbat]

I need to never stop hearing ALWAYS escalate, i need it drummed into my head, it is my achilles' heel without a doubt. . Oneitus has wrecked many opportunities but i am fully aware of it now and not concerned that's an issue. IF what i think she is hinting at is correct , I will go to meet her, make the move and suck up rejection should it come while outright refusing LJBF. I will be visiting her city on business 4 weeks later, so my intention is simply to say .........., i am not going to be friends, i want more than that. I am in Stockholm x date to x date so if you change your mind let me know.

I am actively developing potential plates (technically i have made my ex GF one) , I have a 36 year old divorcee (Thai) to meet when i am in current targets city which i will still do even if successful. In no way do i intend to cease attempts elsewhere to focus on only her. I look at her as a training exercise, even if rejected it will be valuable practice. she's is cute but a bit of a chubber, a current 6, if she shed weight a potential 8 nay 7 !

Dude, most womens complaints with me is I am way too strong sexually. I spent an hour with a plate tonight telling her how I will always be in control of her in bed, I might seem like a gentleman but in bed, she better understand I AM THE BOSS, yet I will trest her like a queen any other time.

She was w@nking me off through my trousers, this was the 2nd date. She said "you know how to play a womans mind, I am worried about you" I said "I'm a bad boy when I am single but not when you'remy girl" she literally throffed at the mouth. Seeing her weds.

All I can say is DRINK ALCOHOL. I would never manage this sober. I am a calm, respectful guy who turns into a dominant, woman abusing animal when drunk and horny, and inmy experience, women love this. She became overtly more feminine when I adopted this stance "sorry" for everything she said wrong....literally making soft submissive noises. Women want a gentleman in life, a bastard in bed and I can fulfil that role, take it from me, this what they want, at least the women I date, mainly. However, some cannot handle it, but they are a minority. generally the ones shyt in bed that don't like it.

 

[bullgoose]

"All I can say is DRINK ALCOHOL"

Hmm therein lies the main problem, for one she barely drinks, her idea of having a drink is consuming one aeroplane sized bottle of red wine but the biggest problem of all is i no longer want to drink. I did nothing but drink from 14-34, twenty years wasted but hey at least i got occasional (low class) pu$sy. Sad to say but i have NEVER gone from meeting a woman to bedding her without booze involved. At the moment i am cramming my head with all the theory of what to do when i meet her but already stressing that I will melt down and go all fu#king nice and mushy due to FEAR OF REJECTION. I spend the day at work planning in my head how i will do things then have crippling doubt i can find the balls too. Its a head f#ck, how can i calm down and just not give a f"ck. Should be so simple, meet, have a laugh try to kiss her. Pains me to talk like such a pathetic infant. Maybe i am beyond salvation and should just start opening my wallet for a hooker once per week, it would be stress free and probably cheaper in the long run, lol !

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yes, stay away from the alcohol. Or, if you can, restrict yourself to just a few social drinks.

The way to overcome the fear is to just meet/ approach more women. That way, in the initial stage, your connection with any one woman is not going to be a huge deal to you.

 

[Fruitbat]

You BOND with women through drinking. You dance, laugh, act silly and sing. I guess this depends on your culture and you as an individual. Here, people are reserved. A few drinkies breaks that down, you see the real person. I always end up carrying her in my arms, or silly dancing - I could NEVER do that without a drink!

Also, I struggle a bit with nerves being with a girl for first time. A bottle of wine + a nibble of a corner of a viagra (tiny dose does it) is as yet my best remedy for first sechs nerves, giving one the confidence to dominate the shyt out of her yet retain pressure in the correct region! 35 years of experience got me to that, I would recommend to anyone who is modern and liberal (obv some won't agree due to religion or moral views etc - not a dig, but I know the lecture is coming!)

Again, it depends on how you handle your beer. I have AFC'd out on too much booze before but the fact is that women know people act differently when drunk.....our worry is "I was too AFC" women's is "I was too much of a slyt"

I am moderating this back a bit these days but really do recommend drinks on a date to break down the BS. Nothing is better than being a bit merry, arm in arm with a girl, I wouldn't give that up for anything. Key is to have a woman who moderates YOU. That's how it is spposed to work, not a man moderating the fun out of a woman! You are supposed to be the naughty one!

 

[PokerStar]

Hello Bullgoose,

Is it exciting to know or at least think that you have a chance to the bed the target?!!?!?! I always do!

I'll keep it short.

If drinking aint your thing to get you into the mood, I suggest do a crazy work out together not to crazy. Itll help clear the mind, body and soul. (plus you get to see what each other's f**k faces look like) In my experience a good work out prior or to a date helps loosen me up. I feel more confident in myself and my thoughts no longer linger in my head, they become action. not even an action, a reflex.

and remember. SEDUCE SEDUCE SEDUCE.

 

[Desdinova]

Is there anyone who considers themselves a pro, willing to read her latest email and laugh at the **** i sent her at the same time and give me some advice how to proceed. I read it as her opening the door for me , hinting she is coming to my country. If so i have four weeks to grow some balls, meet her and attempt to hang out, have fun and hopefully ****.

I'm going to tell you this right now... You are going to fvck things up multiple times because you're new at it. You still have the mindset that this is your "one chance" to get a woman. You still have the mindset that women are extremely challenging to get. This is going to work against you.

It's not your fault you have this mindset. Society tells us through television and movies that women are extremely challenging to get and are the ultimate goal in life. When you've lived a life of abundance in dating and sex, that mindset goes away. You learn that women are relatively easy to come by, and they are plentiful. You no longer worry about fvcking things up because you can just go out and get another woman.

There's no magical book that will make you the ideal man in four weeks. You learn that through experience and fvcking things up. All I'm going to tell you is this... Enjoy the experience, have fun, and make an effort to learn from it. When it ends, know that you can find yourself another woman. There's lots of them out there, and you'll become better with every experience.

Feel free to ask your questions here or get us to critique how you're handling things.

 

[breadd80]

No, no one here will recommend any books to you. Because you've already done too much reading.

You want to work your game and seduction skills before she visits your country? Go out, approach. You wouldn't get better at free throws by staying home and reading.