"GHETTO-Bulking"

shadowfox · 01-21-2006, 07:21 AM

Ok from the title you can see that i will have a limited amount of money to spend each week on food and supplements to bulk cuz im just a cheap college kid ahahaha.

Is this ok for a diet?

Food Calories Pro Fat Carbs
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Meal 1
Clusters 174 7.1 3.8 27.9
Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0
Milk 95 6.6 3 10.0
Peanut Butter 172 6 12 10.0
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Meal 2
Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0
Bannana 105 1.2 0.6 26
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Meal 3
Apple 81 0.3 0.5 21
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Meal 4
[What eva my mum cooks. Usually
reasonably healthy. Never chips or stuff like that]
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Meal 5
Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0
Apple 81 0.3 0.5 21
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Meal 6
[What ever my mum cooks]
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Meal 7 Just Before bed

Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0
Peanut Butter 172 6 12 10
Milk 95 6.6 3 10
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I'll also try and eat a fish a day either mackeral or cod without the crumbly stuff or tuna.

Cant really afford a steak a day so i'll go for that once a week from my mums meal. No sweets or crisps. No fast food.

Anyother reccomendations for food. Is it a good idea getting a good chunk of protein from whey. I get it from whey because i really am poor and this seems the cheapest way to get protein.

Also what do you guys think of creatine.
My mate has been on it for 2 weeks and has gained half a stone with no fat. He still has a 6 pack.

Last question any other reccomendations for cheap food?

DJ_in_making · 01-21-2006, 08:28 AM

Warboss Alex · 01-21-2006, 08:44 AM

Your friend gained half a stone of water weight, watch him drop down to his original size once he's off creatine. Don't even think about if on a budget.

Your diet is absolutely awful. Even as a cheap college kid you can manage to get in a good lot of basic bodybuilding eats:

Eggs
Wholemeal bread
Budget tuna
Frozen ground beef
Brown rice
Budget oats

Come on, how expensive are these?

I'd even say forget the whey and just leave it for post-workout.

shadowfox · 01-21-2006, 09:16 AM

hey ive been looking on asda website and i can put aside £10 a week.

How are these for deals?

Smartprice chicken fillets £5.81 per kg
Chicken drumsticks £2.15 per Kg
Chicken thighs £1.74 per kg
tuna £3.35 per kg
nuts (400g) = £0.78
lettuce 0.38 per kg (i love lettuce on my sandwiches with mayo)

would these improve my diet, however the asda site doesnt give nutritional value for there stuff so i dunno...

EDIT: I need stuff that i can prepare quickly whilst at school or just put in a lunch box ready to eat.

Warboss Alex · 01-21-2006, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shadowfox
hey ive been looking on asda website and i can put aside £10 a week.

How are these for deals?

Smartprice chicken fillets £5.81 per kg
Chicken drumsticks £2.15 per Kg
Chicken thighs £1.74 per kg
tuna £3.35 per kg
nuts (400g) = £0.78
lettuce 0.38 per kg (i love lettuce on my sandwiches with mayo)

would these improve my diet, however the asda site doesnt give nutritional value for there stuff so i dunno...

EDIT: I need stuff that i can prepare quickly whilst at school or just put in a lunch box ready to eat.

The deals aren't anything special, Sainsbury's or Tesco's are more or less the same price.

15 eggs at Iceland for a quid. You can mix these in a little milk or orange juice, blend and drink (not all at once although I've had that many before in a drink).

Frozen minced beef; cook, rinse off the fat, store in tupperware, eat cold with ketchup. Same goes for chicken although I prefer BBQ sauce with it.

Tuna, out of the can with some mayo or whatever you like.

Whole milk, just drink.

Oats, grind and drink or mix with a little water (or even eat raw).

Bread.. doesn't need any preparation.

shadowfox · 01-21-2006, 09:51 AM

thanks how does this diet now look?

Meal 1

Oats (50g) eaten raw
whey 60g 250 calories (need protein for fast absorption after the sleep)
Milk 95 Calories
Peanut Butter 86 calories

Meal 2 (taken usually 1 hours after meal 1)
Chicken Drumsticks (237 calories)

Meal 3 (taken 3 hours later)
apple 81 calories
bannana 105 calories
Turkey 100g 107 calories

Meal 4
[what ever mama cooks]

Meal 5
chicken fillets in sandwich with lettuce and mayo -drools-
orange (around 300 calories)

Meal 6

[what ever mama cooks]

Add a bit of tuna between this time and bed time as well....

Meal 7
Whey 250 calories
Peanut butter 172 calories
Milk 95 calories

I'm not too sure about the tonnes of eggs thing. Im for it, you know parents though... blablabla 3 eggs a week at most bullsh1t ill try and get them.

Is this looking ok or is it still retarded?

Warboss Alex · 01-21-2006, 10:33 AM

It's an improvement for sure.

However, consider red meat over chicken and turkey, and (whole) eggs. Much more anabolic.

It's got a good structure, now flesh it out with some beef and you'll be good to go.

It might not be as much as you need though - how big are you?

Quote:

whey 60g 250 calories (need protein for fast absorption after the sleep)

I've never bought that but it's still protein I guess..

shadowfox · 01-21-2006, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
It's an improvement for sure.

However, consider red meat over chicken and turkey, and (whole) eggs. Much more anabolic.

It's got a good structure, now flesh it out with some beef and you'll be good to go.

It might not be as much as you need though - how big are you?

I've never bought that but it's still protein I guess..

I'm about 128lb. I tried to bulk not long ago and reached 130 from 126 but most of its water, probably cuz my diet sucked lol

Centaurion · 01-21-2006, 11:03 AM

Go to www.fitday.com and plug everything in. You'll get all the nutrition breakdown of your diet and it makes it so much easier to set up a good diet.

And at 128lbs, you don't need a fancy diet. All you need to do is :
- eat everything you can get your hands on
- then eat some more
- train hard (concentrate on the big excersies, ie squats, bp, dl, military press etc)
- rest

That's it.

Centaurion · 01-21-2006, 11:05 AM

oooh, don't drink whey before bedtime as it is a fast acting protein. You'll just waste it. Rather eat casein protein (which can be found in cottage cheese), these are slower acting protein and is most excellent before bedtime.

shadowfox · 01-21-2006, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centaurion
Go to www.fitday.com and plug everything in. You'll get all the nutrition breakdown of your diet and it makes it so much easier to set up a good diet.

And at 128lbs, you don't need a fancy diet. All you need to do is :
- eat everything you can get your hands on
- then eat some more
- train hard (concentrate on the big excersies, ie squats, bp, dl, military press etc)
- rest

That's it.

thanks a lot for site, just what i'm looking for. As for squats i love them so much!! There intense but i dont know if its just me but they make me feel like an animal for 2 hours after. Then next day i feel hyper! wierd..

MrS · 01-21-2006, 02:21 PM

Yeah, feeling like an animal is normal after squats.

A dead animal, that is.

[S]alvatore · 01-21-2006, 09:27 PM

Don't have the whey with breakfast, have it in water as soon as you wake up.

manuva · 01-21-2006, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centaurion
oooh, don't drink whey before bedtime as it is a fast acting protein. You'll just waste it.

Depends what variant of whey protein it is; isolate, concentrate, calcium caseinate or micellar casein.

Isolate shouldn't be taken before bed, but the others are fine.

Warboss Alex · 01-22-2006, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [S]alvatore
Don't have the whey with breakfast, have it in water as soon as you wake up.

I never saw this necessary, sorry. On that thinking we should be sleeping in the kitchen with a protein drip.

[S]alvatore · 01-22-2006, 05:20 PM

Ahhh no. Your body has been asleep for 8 hours without any protein, so you need something fast absorbing first thing.

Warboss Alex · 01-22-2006, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [S]alvatore
Ahhh no. Your body has been asleep for 8 hours without any protein, so you need something fast absorbing first thing.

Why? Are you gonna waste away if you don't?

By all means have whey with breakfast but I don't see how much of a difference it's gonna make if you have the whey (or any other protein source, fast or slow) 30 mins (or longer) after waking up or 10 seconds after getting out of bed.

[S]alvatore · 01-23-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Why? Are you gonna waste away if you don't?

Yes, you risk going catabolic.

Warboss Alex · 01-24-2006, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [S]alvatore
Yes, you risk going catabolic.

I've been eating eggs (whole) and/or beef for breakfast for quite some time now, and have yet to fade away.

Anything you do (except eating) is potentially catabolic. Walking to your car is - do I need to have a protein-only meal before to preserve muscle?

I think this whey on waking business is way out of hand.

brucevangeorge · 01-24-2006, 10:42 AM

Yeah guys, you DO need protein when you wake up. When I ran out of whey to take in the morning, it was okay for a couple of days, I didnt notice any change, but BAM! On the third day I woke up skinny.

So now, to avoid all of this.. I talked to my doctor and he installed a feeding tube into my gut. Now I get a constant supply of protein ALL the time from this pack I wear with me.

Okay but seriously,

If you REALLY want to get a good diet, read Tailor Made Nutrition 1 through 3. (page long articles) They outline the steps for a proper diet and help you to figure out a simple way to get all the nutrients you require (sport specific also).

They're an easy read with no nonsense.

01-21-2006, 07:21 AM	#1
shadowfox Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: not telling :P Posts: 170	"GHETTO-Bulking" Ok from the title you can see that i will have a limited amount of money to spend each week on food and supplements to bulk cuz im just a cheap college kid ahahaha. Is this ok for a diet? Food Calories Pro Fat Carbs ----------------------------------------------------- Meal 1 Clusters 174 7.1 3.8 27.9 Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0 Milk 95 6.6 3 10.0 Peanut Butter 172 6 12 10.0 ------------------------------------------------------ Meal 2 Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0 Bannana 105 1.2 0.6 26 ------------------------------------------------------ Meal 3 Apple 81 0.3 0.5 21 ----------------------------------------------------- Meal 4 [What eva my mum cooks. Usually reasonably healthy. Never chips or stuff like that] --------------------------------------------------- Meal 5 Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0 Apple 81 0.3 0.5 21 --------------------------------------------------- Meal 6 [What ever my mum cooks] ---------------------------------------------------- Meal 7 Just Before bed Whey 250 42.9 4.2 4.0 Peanut Butter 172 6 12 10 Milk 95 6.6 3 10 ------------------------------------------------------ I'll also try and eat a fish a day either mackeral or cod without the crumbly stuff or tuna. Cant really afford a steak a day so i'll go for that once a week from my mums meal. No sweets or crisps. No fast food. Anyother reccomendations for food. Is it a good idea getting a good chunk of protein from whey. I get it from whey because i really am poor and this seems the cheapest way to get protein. Also what do you guys think of creatine. My mate has been on it for 2 weeks and has gained half a stone with no fat. He still has a 6 pack. Last question any other reccomendations for cheap food?

01-21-2006, 08:28 AM	#2
DJ_in_making Master Don Juan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Big Ole apple Age: 25 Posts: 925	lmao

01-21-2006, 08:44 AM	#3
Warboss Alex Master Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,236	Your friend gained half a stone of water weight, watch him drop down to his original size once he's off creatine. Don't even think about if on a budget. Your diet is absolutely awful. Even as a cheap college kid you can manage to get in a good lot of basic bodybuilding eats: Eggs Wholemeal bread Budget tuna Frozen ground beef Brown rice Budget oats Come on, how expensive are these? I'd even say forget the whey and just leave it for post-workout.

01-21-2006, 09:16 AM	#4
shadowfox Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: not telling :P Posts: 170	hey ive been looking on asda website and i can put aside £10 a week. How are these for deals? Smartprice chicken fillets £5.81 per kg Chicken drumsticks £2.15 per Kg Chicken thighs £1.74 per kg tuna £3.35 per kg nuts (400g) = £0.78 lettuce 0.38 per kg (i love lettuce on my sandwiches with mayo) would these improve my diet, however the asda site doesnt give nutritional value for there stuff so i dunno... EDIT: I need stuff that i can prepare quickly whilst at school or just put in a lunch box ready to eat.

01-21-2006, 09:51 AM	#6
shadowfox Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: not telling :P Posts: 170	thanks how does this diet now look? Meal 1 Oats (50g) eaten raw whey 60g 250 calories (need protein for fast absorption after the sleep) Milk 95 Calories Peanut Butter 86 calories Meal 2 (taken usually 1 hours after meal 1) Chicken Drumsticks (237 calories) Meal 3 (taken 3 hours later) apple 81 calories bannana 105 calories Turkey 100g 107 calories Meal 4 [what ever mama cooks] Meal 5 chicken fillets in sandwich with lettuce and mayo -drools- orange (around 300 calories) Meal 6 [what ever mama cooks] Add a bit of tuna between this time and bed time as well.... Meal 7 Whey 250 calories Peanut butter 172 calories Milk 95 calories I'm not too sure about the tonnes of eggs thing. Im for it, you know parents though... blablabla 3 eggs a week at most bullsh1t ill try and get them. Is this looking ok or is it still retarded?

01-21-2006, 11:03 AM	#9
Centaurion Master Don Juan Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Europe Age: 28 Posts: 2,321	Go to www.fitday.com and plug everything in. You'll get all the nutrition breakdown of your diet and it makes it so much easier to set up a good diet. And at 128lbs, you don't need a fancy diet. All you need to do is : - eat everything you can get your hands on - then eat some more - train hard (concentrate on the big excersies, ie squats, bp, dl, military press etc) - rest That's it.

01-21-2006, 11:05 AM	#10
Centaurion Master Don Juan Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Europe Age: 28 Posts: 2,321	oooh, don't drink whey before bedtime as it is a fast acting protein. You'll just waste it. Rather eat casein protein (which can be found in cottage cheese), these are slower acting protein and is most excellent before bedtime.

01-21-2006, 02:21 PM	#12
MrS Master Don Juan Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,379	Yeah, feeling like an animal is normal after squats. A dead animal, that is.

01-21-2006, 09:27 PM	#13
[S]alvatore Master Don Juan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Australia Age: 25 Posts: 699	Don't have the whey with breakfast, have it in water as soon as you wake up.

01-22-2006, 05:20 PM	#16
[S]alvatore Master Don Juan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Australia Age: 25 Posts: 699	Ahhh no. Your body has been asleep for 8 hours without any protein, so you need something fast absorbing first thing.

01-24-2006, 10:42 AM	#20
brucevangeorge Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Cold North. Age: 26 Posts: 1,086	Yeah guys, you DO need protein when you wake up. When I ran out of whey to take in the morning, it was okay for a couple of days, I didnt notice any change, but BAM! On the third day I woke up skinny. So now, to avoid all of this.. I talked to my doctor and he installed a feeding tube into my gut. Now I get a constant supply of protein ALL the time from this pack I wear with me. Okay but seriously, If you REALLY want to get a good diet, read Tailor Made Nutrition 1 through 3. (page long articles) They outline the steps for a proper diet and help you to figure out a simple way to get all the nutrients you require (sport specific also). They're an easy read with no nonsense.