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Don Juan
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LR: Street --> Phone --> Lay
This was one of my tougher lays in a while, as well as a pretty
unusual one. I met this girl while street sarging about a month and a half ago, and almost all of the gaming took place on the phone. I also think along with report I wrote on the Korean girls with Brian, this report shows my full range as a PUA. Those girls were really shy, while this chick was a hardcore party girl. This report will show a different side of my game for your reading pleasure. Enjoy.
Keys to the Lay:
1. Dominance -- Always maintaining a dominant frame, mostly
non-verbally
2. Not being fazed at all when she tested my value (****-tests)
3. Persistence -- I called this girl for over a month and a half, had
her flake on me twice before I got the lay
4. Teasing and busting on her ***from the right frame of mind*** not to cover up for insecurities
5. No hesitation -- on the initial approach, number close, or the final isolation move
6. Preventing her from talking and thinking logically in order to
overcome LMR.
Initial Approach:
I'm chillin with some bros from the Boston Lair down in Newbury Street, a high class shopping district. This is about a month an a half ago. It's a pretty big group of us, like four or five. Just as we all meet up, I see two HBs walking down the street and approach without hesitation. THIS IS KEY.
Hesitation speaks of low value. A goal that new guys should work towards is to be able to approach without even consciously thinking about it. A good example of this is my man Lunotick -- for anyone who's sarged with him, you'll see him spot a set of girls he likes and instantly start walking in their direction. It's almost like he can't consciously control it -- he just automatically does it.
Anyways -- the HBs are approaching from the opposite direction. I stop them with "hey guys" from about ten feet away, in order to give them time to hear me and stop. Once I have their attention, I open the hotter one direct. "Hey, I saw you walking here, and I like your style. You look good."
She giggles and smiles, and says thanks. She has braces! I tease/compliment her on her braces. "Awww....that's so cute, I love your braces." She laughs again, and starts telling me about why she has braces when shes in her twenties. And boom, I'm in.
The important things to notice about how I opened were that I opened without hesitation, I opened from far enough away to give them time to stop, and that I opened direct, not with an excuse. Also, what I can't convey in this report but is important to opening moving sets is having a commanding presence, which will cause sets to be inclined to listen to you rather than blow you off.
Anyways -- I ask them if they're in college, as a set up question to create material to vibe off of. My girl's a college student in the area, I tell her a few stories I'd heard about her college, she shares a few also. It turns out her friend just graduated from high school...wooooooooo. I bust on her friend for that, asking her if she goes to any crunk high school parties. She tells me that the parties are lame at her high school, and I tell her about the time I went to this party my freshman year of college, and met this girl who told me she was a sophomore. So I was like cool, I like older girls. And she's like no, I"m a sophomore in HIGH SCHOOL...and I'm like, ****. They laugh. I ask if she gets crunk at her high school dances, she's like nah, they're lame. I'm like, how can you not have a good time at high school dances...with chaperones and ****...and the slow dancing of course. I do a little demonstration on her of middle school style slow dancing, where you're standing like three feet away from the other person and barely touching them with your fingertips. We do a little slow dancing in the street, she's lovin' it.
The other guys are kind of standing in a group to the side, talking amongst themselves and watching me run the set. This is cool, because I like to open by myself. But now, I need someone to occupy HB Highschool here while I rap with my girl. I gesture over to them, and I'm like "come join the A-crowd here." My man VISHIZZLE, who specializes in pimping high school girls, steps up and joins the group. He's peacocked, and by peacocked I mean wearing NICE flashy clothes, not a ****ing wizard suit. We talk about this for a while, and all agree that he looks pimp.
I lightly screen my girl. I cold read her as being a party girl, I"m right. I ask if she can dance. She's like, of course. I tell her that's awesome, I love girls who can dance. I tell her how there's so many people who are afraid to just cut loose and have fun, and that you gotta chill with the people who don't give a **** like that. I tell her we should hit up a club sometime, and she can show me how to dance. She's like sure, so I #close her, tell her we'll make plans for Friday and split. I talked to these girls for about five minutes total before the #close.
Important things: This is a fairly typical time for a number close for me. TALKING TO A GIRL FOR LONGER WON'T MAKE HER ANY LESS LIKELY TO FLAKE. I can't emphasize this enough. More rapport does not necessarily equal less flakes. More VALUE causes less flakes. If you hesitate and tread water for twenty minutes before you number close her, this DETRACTS from your value. If you just want a #, usually aim for a timeframe of a 5-10 minute convo.
Phone game:
By far the most important part of this lay was the phone game. I called her up in a couple days, and we talk. She'd just come back from an entire weekend of partying...she's a pretty serious party girl. She tells me some good stories from the weekend, and I'm like dude, you gotta come to the parties at our house and get **** started. I tell her about a few of the crazy times we had at our house parties last year. This is a good commonality that we have...we're both the uninhibited party dudes in our groups who love drinking, dancing ang good times.
I screen her for having a balanced lifestyle, and not just partying all the time. She tells me that she does, she works a lot and is paying her own way through college. This is good. I go lighter on the screening than I normally would, because she's such a party girl. After about half an hour, I tell her we should hit up a club this Friday. She's like, sure, and we make plans to meet up at my house and pregame, then head over.
Friday comes, and she calls up and cancels. No big deal, I go out with a few of my boys instead. I call her up again a few days later, same drill. I display value by being dominant and having a fun party vibe. She's very dominant herself. I find that if you can be alpha over girls who try to be very doiminant, they will love you for it because very few guys are able to do that. Most guys will ***** out and let her own the frame, they key is to sure of yourself and never be fazed when she tries to test your value.
Anyways, I set up another club day2 for next Saturday, she says she can't make it, she has to work. I'm like, that's cool, and I just keep going. we talk for a little while more, then I go to bed.
She called me again next week...once again she was eager to talk and loving the conversation, but she wouldn't meet up.
A few weeks go by, and play phone tag back and forth calling each other sporadically. Same MO -- fun, dominant party vibe, light screening, going for meetups and not being fazed when she said she couldn't.
One night, we have about 15-20 people over for a small party, and I tell her she should drop by. She tells me she'll be in the area later, but she doesn't know if she can come. She's like, if I come over, I'll have to stay over your house for the night. I'm like "alright, cool" in a frank, direct tone which lets her know that I want to **** her and that I'm completely comfortable doing so.
This was the most important test of my value that she did to me. She did other things to to test me -- most notably the flaking, and the calling but not wanting to meet up. The correct way to handle these tests is to persist confidently past them, and not show the slightest trace of being fazed or upset by them. This test was different though. I hesitate to call it a "****-test," which has kind of a negative connotation, she was actually testing me through showing interest in me.
This is the type of test that many guys would fail. Either they would make the mistake of being overeager and be like "gee golly, that'd be awesome!!!" Or, they'd do even worse and try to fake disinterest, saying **** like "Eww you're my bratty little sister, you can't sleep over, I don't think of you in that way, blah blah blah." Both responses make you look like a ***** who is of lower value. The correct response is to let her know, mostly through your tonality, that A. You want to **** her B. You'd consider it completely normal if she came over to be ****ed, and C. That if she comes over, you are going to **** her until she can't walk for a few days.
Anways, she never makes it over that night. We have a good time anyways though. My long-time beer pong partner shook some rust off our game and kicked some ass after a tough initial game where we got beat by a team with a girl on it. One of my friends from the lair comes over, and we smoke a few bowls and grab some dogs.
A few nights later, she calls again and asks if she can sleep over, I'm like, sure. I start drinking a little and watching the Pats game with my boys, and she calls me and tells me shes at the train stop near my house. I finish watching the first half and watch Flutie throw that sick touchdown pass, then head out to meet her.
This was one of my tougher lays in a while, as well as a pretty
unusual one. I met this girl while street sarging about a month and a half ago, and almost all of the gaming took place on the phone. I also think along with report I wrote on the Korean girls with Brian, this report shows my full range as a PUA. Those girls were really shy, while this chick was a hardcore party girl. This report will show a different side of my game for your reading pleasure. Enjoy.
Keys to the Lay:
1. Dominance -- Always maintaining a dominant frame, mostly
non-verbally
2. Not being fazed at all when she tested my value (****-tests)
3. Persistence -- I called this girl for over a month and a half, had
her flake on me twice before I got the lay
4. Teasing and busting on her ***from the right frame of mind*** not to cover up for insecurities
5. No hesitation -- on the initial approach, number close, or the final isolation move
6. Preventing her from talking and thinking logically in order to
overcome LMR.
Initial Approach:
I'm chillin with some bros from the Boston Lair down in Newbury Street, a high class shopping district. This is about a month an a half ago. It's a pretty big group of us, like four or five. Just as we all meet up, I see two HBs walking down the street and approach without hesitation. THIS IS KEY.
Hesitation speaks of low value. A goal that new guys should work towards is to be able to approach without even consciously thinking about it. A good example of this is my man Lunotick -- for anyone who's sarged with him, you'll see him spot a set of girls he likes and instantly start walking in their direction. It's almost like he can't consciously control it -- he just automatically does it.
Anyways -- the HBs are approaching from the opposite direction. I stop them with "hey guys" from about ten feet away, in order to give them time to hear me and stop. Once I have their attention, I open the hotter one direct. "Hey, I saw you walking here, and I like your style. You look good."
She giggles and smiles, and says thanks. She has braces! I tease/compliment her on her braces. "Awww....that's so cute, I love your braces." She laughs again, and starts telling me about why she has braces when shes in her twenties. And boom, I'm in.
The important things to notice about how I opened were that I opened without hesitation, I opened from far enough away to give them time to stop, and that I opened direct, not with an excuse. Also, what I can't convey in this report but is important to opening moving sets is having a commanding presence, which will cause sets to be inclined to listen to you rather than blow you off.
Anyways -- I ask them if they're in college, as a set up question to create material to vibe off of. My girl's a college student in the area, I tell her a few stories I'd heard about her college, she shares a few also. It turns out her friend just graduated from high school...wooooooooo. I bust on her friend for that, asking her if she goes to any crunk high school parties. She tells me that the parties are lame at her high school, and I tell her about the time I went to this party my freshman year of college, and met this girl who told me she was a sophomore. So I was like cool, I like older girls. And she's like no, I"m a sophomore in HIGH SCHOOL...and I'm like, ****. They laugh. I ask if she gets crunk at her high school dances, she's like nah, they're lame. I'm like, how can you not have a good time at high school dances...with chaperones and ****...and the slow dancing of course. I do a little demonstration on her of middle school style slow dancing, where you're standing like three feet away from the other person and barely touching them with your fingertips. We do a little slow dancing in the street, she's lovin' it.
The other guys are kind of standing in a group to the side, talking amongst themselves and watching me run the set. This is cool, because I like to open by myself. But now, I need someone to occupy HB Highschool here while I rap with my girl. I gesture over to them, and I'm like "come join the A-crowd here." My man VISHIZZLE, who specializes in pimping high school girls, steps up and joins the group. He's peacocked, and by peacocked I mean wearing NICE flashy clothes, not a ****ing wizard suit. We talk about this for a while, and all agree that he looks pimp.
I lightly screen my girl. I cold read her as being a party girl, I"m right. I ask if she can dance. She's like, of course. I tell her that's awesome, I love girls who can dance. I tell her how there's so many people who are afraid to just cut loose and have fun, and that you gotta chill with the people who don't give a **** like that. I tell her we should hit up a club sometime, and she can show me how to dance. She's like sure, so I #close her, tell her we'll make plans for Friday and split. I talked to these girls for about five minutes total before the #close.
Important things: This is a fairly typical time for a number close for me. TALKING TO A GIRL FOR LONGER WON'T MAKE HER ANY LESS LIKELY TO FLAKE. I can't emphasize this enough. More rapport does not necessarily equal less flakes. More VALUE causes less flakes. If you hesitate and tread water for twenty minutes before you number close her, this DETRACTS from your value. If you just want a #, usually aim for a timeframe of a 5-10 minute convo.
Phone game:
By far the most important part of this lay was the phone game. I called her up in a couple days, and we talk. She'd just come back from an entire weekend of partying...she's a pretty serious party girl. She tells me some good stories from the weekend, and I'm like dude, you gotta come to the parties at our house and get **** started. I tell her about a few of the crazy times we had at our house parties last year. This is a good commonality that we have...we're both the uninhibited party dudes in our groups who love drinking, dancing ang good times.
I screen her for having a balanced lifestyle, and not just partying all the time. She tells me that she does, she works a lot and is paying her own way through college. This is good. I go lighter on the screening than I normally would, because she's such a party girl. After about half an hour, I tell her we should hit up a club this Friday. She's like, sure, and we make plans to meet up at my house and pregame, then head over.
Friday comes, and she calls up and cancels. No big deal, I go out with a few of my boys instead. I call her up again a few days later, same drill. I display value by being dominant and having a fun party vibe. She's very dominant herself. I find that if you can be alpha over girls who try to be very doiminant, they will love you for it because very few guys are able to do that. Most guys will ***** out and let her own the frame, they key is to sure of yourself and never be fazed when she tries to test your value.
Anyways, I set up another club day2 for next Saturday, she says she can't make it, she has to work. I'm like, that's cool, and I just keep going. we talk for a little while more, then I go to bed.
She called me again next week...once again she was eager to talk and loving the conversation, but she wouldn't meet up.
A few weeks go by, and play phone tag back and forth calling each other sporadically. Same MO -- fun, dominant party vibe, light screening, going for meetups and not being fazed when she said she couldn't.
One night, we have about 15-20 people over for a small party, and I tell her she should drop by. She tells me she'll be in the area later, but she doesn't know if she can come. She's like, if I come over, I'll have to stay over your house for the night. I'm like "alright, cool" in a frank, direct tone which lets her know that I want to **** her and that I'm completely comfortable doing so.
This was the most important test of my value that she did to me. She did other things to to test me -- most notably the flaking, and the calling but not wanting to meet up. The correct way to handle these tests is to persist confidently past them, and not show the slightest trace of being fazed or upset by them. This test was different though. I hesitate to call it a "****-test," which has kind of a negative connotation, she was actually testing me through showing interest in me.
This is the type of test that many guys would fail. Either they would make the mistake of being overeager and be like "gee golly, that'd be awesome!!!" Or, they'd do even worse and try to fake disinterest, saying **** like "Eww you're my bratty little sister, you can't sleep over, I don't think of you in that way, blah blah blah." Both responses make you look like a ***** who is of lower value. The correct response is to let her know, mostly through your tonality, that A. You want to **** her B. You'd consider it completely normal if she came over to be ****ed, and C. That if she comes over, you are going to **** her until she can't walk for a few days.
Anways, she never makes it over that night. We have a good time anyways though. My long-time beer pong partner shook some rust off our game and kicked some ass after a tough initial game where we got beat by a team with a girl on it. One of my friends from the lair comes over, and we smoke a few bowls and grab some dogs.
A few nights later, she calls again and asks if she can sleep over, I'm like, sure. I start drinking a little and watching the Pats game with my boys, and she calls me and tells me shes at the train stop near my house. I finish watching the first half and watch Flutie throw that sick touchdown pass, then head out to meet her.
.