We're too replacable as men

Does an 18-25 year old HB7+ even bother have to a genuine boyfriend anymore? We all know that every girl has a guy they call "boyfriend," but I mean a guy they are in a REAL relationship with with lots of lovin'. For every guy that I know who is dating a HB7+ there is another who got cheated on or even pump-n-dumped by another one. I fall into the latter camp often with hot girls. They show loads of interest, give up a first or second night lay, then contact is either dead or stumbling into its grave after taking a few last pained breaths.

Their value is overinflated. The greater population of OTHER women are trollfaced, overweight, or even obese. On paper, I'm a top prospect for cute girls, but there are so many other guys who can be considered as such too in the meat-market that is a club, bar, or rave. And because so many other girls have shot themselves in the foot as competition, these few hot girls are living freaking celebrity lifestyles. As men, we are motivated to keep upping our attractiveness and desirability to women. Unfortunately, most women don't feel the same anymore.

Have you ever taken one of these girls out to bar? The sheer amount of attention they get would drive a man wild. Suitors STILL approach even they see her making out with me.

Thinking back to some of the MINIMAL effort that has gotten me into the pants of some girls, it makes me wonder how many other attractive guys have done the same, past or future. The equilibrium of guy-flow (in/out) for a hot girl this day and age is outrageous.

Personally, I find HB7s to be the only exception to hot girls and their pump-n-dumping of men. Maybe I'm not coming off as high enough value (and if so, PLEASE a different perspective) but I find the 8s and 9s I bed to be incredibly bored with me after our FIRST night.

It seems like they're trying to chase some Adonis who they only find some semblances in a few men for a couple of nights.

Don't the men start to blur at some point? And doesn't all of our COLLECTIVE value's start to diminish, at some point? Maybe I need to get further unplugged from the matrix, but I see something wrong with this situation. I think if we were actually able to get genuine data for women, even the coldest, jaded players would be surprised by the number of partners girls have nowadays.

Hell, I remember last year I overheard a group of girls making fun of one of her friends for losing her virginity while blacked out. Sex is now just a one-up tool for them.

At this point I think guys of all types are just a Netflix queue for cute girls, they can browse by genre and pick one that will satisfy them for a couple of weeks, at which point they find another proverbial movie.

if you believe this, its true,
**** this attitude

beliefs? these are from observations around me!


I just felt I needed to rant about hypergamy.

The only HB8.5 who has actually chased me, I left her sleeping by herself the moment she passed out. I think its ridiculous I have to go to such measures to keep being interesting to a hot girl. And I thought I gave her a fake number and everything. She still found me. This is the "push-pull" theory on a galactic scale, putting the very chance you even contact the girl again on the line.

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

I believe that all people who consider themselves high in demand are going to always try to find something better than what they have. It's human nature to always want more/better things in life. Alphas are hording all the women because being alpha is natural to them. And if it's natural to them, then most likely other aspects of their life are alpha (their job, passions, attitude) rather only working on gaming women.

Being well-rounded is kind of a big deal.

I believe you mean, I'm to replacable as a man.

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Yeah... That's how it works. I don't know of any hot, young girls maintaining a steady relationship for years and years. 10 months is the average. They lose interest, become bored, and set their sights elsewhere too easily. No one person can satisfy them; they always expect more and better. Even if they become infatuated - they still lose interest in an instant once that feeling fades. They always seem to need that feeling of freshness. They're all about the extraordinary and exciting. They always want more than what they have, and jump from one guy to the next. Plus, their personalities are usually ****, and they place no value upon anyone.

It's not worth it, IMO. Too much maintenance, garbage attitudes, and a bunch of other crap that comes with the territory. All you get is a trophy girlfriend whom you can't trust, and probably don't even like as a person deep down. Big whoop.

I don't take these girls seriously, and can definitely see why they're attracted to jerks. Or, why people act like jerks around them. They're fun, exciting, easy, shallow, and stupid. Not long-term material. Don't need to respect them. Just enjoy it while it lasts. Treat it casual and dating-like forever.

Of course, some people might disagree, but I have my experiences and observations; they have theirs. From all the hot girls - whether I was the one dating them or not - this is how the story went. It doesn't matter how hot, popular, rich, etc the guy was. It was never enough for them. The guy usually ended up breaking up with them, because they cheated, and were too self-absorbed, immature, spoiled, annoying, snobby, rude, worthless, etc.

Well, this may be true, but it applies for you as well. Its so many girls man, you really are foolish for taking crap off any individual one..

LostAndConfused said:

Their value is overinflated. The greater population of OTHER women are trollfaced, overweight, or even obese. On paper, I'm a top prospect for cute girls, but there are so many other guys who can be considered as such too in the meat-market that is a club, bar, or rave. And because so many other girls have shot themselves in the foot as competition, these few hot girls are living freaking celebrity lifestyles. As men, we are motivated to keep upping our attractiveness and desirability to women. Unfortunately, most women don't feel the same anymore.

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Agreed. This really is a huge driver for so many dating problems guys face.
An in-shape woman is now considered an 8+ just by virtue of not being overweight/obese. I'm not looking for a relationship, but even for something casual I'd rather look at porn than have sex with a nasty looking whale.

Unfortunately, men are so desperate for sex they will throw out all standards for an easy lay. "Pvssy is pvssy" is all I keep hearing from these pathetic beta schlubs.

So it's no surprise now that even fat women are acting all stuck-up while the attractive in-shape ones are essentially mini-celebrities.

Just have fun with chicks
Don't take them seriously.
Don't get emotionally attached with any one. Let them beg you for a relationship

sstype said:

Agreed. This really is a huge driver for so many dating problems guys face.
An in-shape woman is now considered an 8+ just by virtue of not being overweight/obese

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Sad but true.

I think the original poster has a point. The problem is that women 18-25 are at the peak of their value in the dating market. While at the same time men 18-25 are at their lowest. No wonder so many young guys get frustrated with women or turn AFC.

Girls that age have options from men ranging from their own age all the way up to 60 or beyond. They are the focus of attention from almost every man they might encounter. The good news for men is that as they get older and more mature, their value increases, and they get their chance. As long as they aren't complacent and are intent on improving, the tables turn. I speak from experience.

And if you get attached to one (married), then you'll maybe get 4-5 years max (1-2 years avg) of decent to good sex. After that, your ability to get sex Every day, or every week diminish and becomes an ordeal to plead with her to have sex once a month and even That sex will be quick and for chores you may have done or something you may have bought her or taken her somewhere.

Given that reality with Most women in LTRs (with children usually), I think, for me now, it would be better to cycle them in and out as I get older. I do want children, but if I do that then, I'm going to have to divorce the woman who bears them eventually because she'll start denying sex or "not feel like it today." And that's Pleading with the Same One you've already seen naked and screwed hundreds of times, when you'd Really like some different snatch, so really, us guys got it bad, because if we Do land one for life, then what we get in that box becomes a "be careful what you wish for" situation. I think that the OP values certainty and wants to be Certain that he'll just get sex for a long period of time, and he thinks that that certainty will be fulfilled by landing a woman for an LTR or till death do us part, but really nothing in life is for certain except "death and taxes." I Know for certain that even if I pay off my house, I'm gonna still be taxed on it for infinity. There's no way to stop payment to the feds, and there's no way to stop payment to the women, unless you find a Highly traditional one who still sees the Man as being head of the household with traditional values from the past. Each year these highly grounded strict obedient to strict parents all their lives girls are far and few between, and see me as the Devil already; therefore, I usually have little chance with these types since birth, and I grew up in a very strict Christian private school (we weren't even allowed to hold hands - were given detention if caught by a hall monitor, even outside of school like at football games and such; my gf at the time got expelled for rumor that she was drinking at a party on the weekend - she was - they labelled her a slvt and she was Gone! the next day).

LostAndConfused said:

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

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Well, you sound like a b*tch. So before I can take your whiney, crybaby philosophy seriously, I think you should make an effort to not be a b*tch. And then see what your success rate is.

Because, again, you sound like a b*tch. You're the type of guy who SHOULD have girl problems.

The moment you believe you are too replaceable, you most assuredly are.

Everything you said is true, and is also why game exists. Game tilts the sexual marketplace in our favor.

While it is true hot women will get bored and have a pick of the litter, you act like there is nothing we can do as men to improve ourselves.

We can make more money, dress better, develop our careers, lift weights for a better body, start dressing better, develop charisma and attractive personalities, learn GAME. These are all long term investments in ourselves as men, and as long as you do these, you will see the quality and quantity of your girls and women increase. As well as their attachment and interest.

It gets better, but you have to develop that better self. When hot girls see that alpha dude who can keep her in place they will do whatever it takes to keep him with her.

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And if you get attached to one (married), then you'll maybe get 4-5 years max (1-2 years avg) of decent to good sex. After that, your ability to get sex Every day, or every week diminish and becomes an ordeal to plead with her to have sex once a month and even That sex will be quick and for chores you may have done or something you may have bought her or taken her somewhere.

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Yeah, screw that. She has to KNOW not think, but KNOW that any sexual behavior like that will end in her ass getting divorced. I would make it perfectly clear.

People tend to do what you allow them to get away with and a wife that does this to her husband is one that knows that she has him wrapped around her finger, i promise you I will NEVER have this problem .. EVER. And If she begins to try some **** like this she'll be given two options:

1. Make it a open relationship.
2. Get divorced..

The number of people who misread this thread has reached critical mass.

People just read bits and pieces of my threads and come up with some idea in their mind what I'm trying to say, but they're absolutely wrong.

I think its my account name, as people have pointed out to me 5 years ago...

first off, big ups the peanut gallery telling me to improve on myself. Thanks, this has already been in progress for years. My value is still going through the roof.

Mantis Toboggan said:

Well, you sound like a b*tch. So before I can take your whiney, crybaby philosophy seriously, I think you should make an effort to not be a b*tch. And then see what your success rate is.

Because, again, you sound like a b*tch. You're the type of guy who SHOULD have girl problems.

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3 b*tches in one post? You MUST be mad bro, come at me and tell me your issues. You don't know sh1t about me or anything about the youngest generation in the dating scene.

I think your mad because of the truth in my post. The truth hurts.


Let me simplify the situation for you. This is pretty much the common bar/club/rave scene nowadays, at least in my location:

I go to a bar and I'm one of 5 alphas. I'm Mr. Well Rounded, model looks, athletic, musician, ivy-educated, etc. There's also Mr. Fratstar, Mr. Athlete, Mr. PUA, and Mr. European.

There are 15 other betas as well, and 15 females, 1 HB10, 2 HB8-9s, 4HB7s, and 8 girls less attractive in the venue.

Under (my perception of it, at least) the OLD paradigm, we alphas get the hottest 5 girls, a couple of betas score, the rest go home to their right hand. Some of these closes develop into relationship, others fizzle out and we go back to the meat market.

The NEW paradigm, which this thread is about, has 3-5 of those betas step their game up to alpha status. Two of those HB7's gets fat and falls below an approachable threshold for me. For those not keeping track, there's 8-10 alpha males in the club, 5 alpha females, where alphas get laid in this situation. The girls at this club are now faced with an abundance of studs. They're free to shop around. In this situation, all of us alphas still get laid, but each girl is trying out every OTHER guy. Our collective value diminishes. Some of us don't get laid THAT night, but we do the NEXT night.

And I'm not even going to begin to start on the major ENTITLEMENT that the HB6's now have that they've stepped up their relative value.

That's what you guys don't get. You read some of my thread and instantly conclude that I'm not getting it. But I am. Everyone else is getting it too.


Alot of you guys keep telling me to step my value up. Fair enough. I consider myself a long term project, and I'm ALWAYS trying to improve myself. And this has worked. At this point, my value has shot far beyond an HB6. When I talk to one now, I don't even need to use any game to get in her pants. But given the rarity of *truly* hot girls and the abundance of self-improving studs, it's easy to understand why hotties don't need to lock down a high value man anymore. They're everywhere.

You show me a "quality" hot girl, and I'll flat out tell you she's not an HB8+. So many of my friends have showed me their "hot" girlfriends who also have great personalities, but most of them barely scrape HB7.

I've noticed theres a huge cutoff at HB7. About half of them are datable, quality women, and the other half are part of the abomination that this thread is about.

@Arcbound, you are right, but the point of THIS thread is to tell you, there are SO many guys with that "better" self that we're all in this one-night stand muck, where we've all been stuck in the tar pit like Dinosaurs and there's no getting out. The more I date these hot women, the more I dislike spending time with them. They really aren't worth sh1t.

I remember this 5'2" brunette HB9 I approached at a club. She instantly blew me off, to which I stared her right in the eyes and said "Cünt."

She approached me five minutes later. Because I never approach the same girl twice, I told her to leave, but she could have been closed. Her friend even approached me later in the night.

THIS is the problem that I have, why can't you guys see this? Some of you jumped to terribly wrong conclusions. Hot women are now so desensitized to PUA approaches, natural game, direct game indirect, whatever the hell you want to call it, that you literally HAVE to treat them like sh1t to get anywhere.

@Maximummax: I have fun with girls, don't get me wrong, but only with HB7s. When they get hotter they basically see themselves as the same status as Angelina Jolie and other A-list celebrities.

@Poonani Maker: great to see you still here, love your posts :rockon:

I don't know how experienced you are with drugs, but an alpha male is a drug to a woman.

And they build tolerance fast.

LostAndConfused said:

3 b*tches in one post? You MUST be mad bro, come at me and tell me your issues. You don't know sh1t about me or anything about the youngest generation in the dating scene.

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I know that you're acting as if the sky is falling.

I think your mad because of the truth in my post. The truth hurts.

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Your truth isn't my truth...right? Because I don't know sh1t about the youngest generation.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what your main point is. So far I'm reading about how you're an alpha. And you're getting laid. And if you don't get laid one night, you get laid the next night. And it's like, okay cool, you're Brad Pitt.

So your complaint is, that while you're shopping around, getting laid every other night, these girls are doing the same?

Hey, the game is the game, right?

Again, forgive me for not understanding your main point. But if your main point is that you want a girl who is seeking a genuine boyfriend, then stop talking to club s1uts.

I enjoyed clubs and all, but...what are you, 21? By the time I was 26, it became pretty obvious that you're not finding girlfriends at the club.

Anyway my point is, the game is the same. The human instincts that drive men and women to f**k have been the same since the beginning. Which is why I hate when someone comes on here, talking all Chicken Little about how the Sky is Falling. Women have been entitled and finicky and flakey since forever....You can find poems written 1000 years ago by some dude whining about a girl not wanting him.

And for that matter, men on this forum act just as entitled as women. This is an entitlement thread. You're alpha. You're in athletic shape. You're swimming in money. Looks. Fame. Social status. You're a god among men and you're entitled to a good, respectable girlfriend. Now, even if you're a fraction of the player you claim to be, you know the truth....it's hard to find those girls. For everyone. It ain't like we just bounce from great girlfriend to great girlfriend. Finding great people is hard in general, right? Friends. Coworkers. Whatever.

But that is my response to my interpretation of the point you're trying to make. So forgive me if I'm wrong.

LostAndConfused said:

The NEW paradigm, which this thread is about, has 3-5 of those betas step their game up to alpha status.

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Lol, now that pickup has become mainstream, more guys have picked up the behaviors, and has created more competition. Eventually the supposed would-be alphas will have to find new ways to distinguish themselves. I don't know why, but I find this humorous.

LostAndConfused said:

Hot women are now so desensitized to PUA approaches, natural game, direct game indirect, whatever the hell you want to call it, that you literally HAVE to treat them like sh1t to get anywhere.

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Women have to be getting desensitized to these pickup tactics. I don't happen to think that literally treating women like sh1t is effective, but it probably does work on the low quality slvts that frequent clubs.

@Mantis: you're warmer. Almost there.

The fact of the matter is that for THOUSANDS of years, the SAME evolutionary buttons, pressed by a man in the right way, causes women to go crazy for him.

What I'm saying now is that everyone knows how to press those buttons now. And every time those buttons are pressed, it makes girls less reactive to them each time.

What I want to KNOW is, when will we hit a tipping point? When will women get so desensitized to the point where the guy who punches her in the face the hardest gets the lay?

I agree with you that a quality girl is hard to find....They've ALWAYS been hard to find.

My argument now is that none of them exist anymore, once a girl gets past a certain threshold in looks.

The sky isn't falling, it has already fallen.

@zekko: It really is hilarious. If you take a meta approach and look at it all from a higher point of view, and not in the trenches where I am, it really is ridiculous. My dad, same age as you, has come to the same conclusion as well. He used to try to teach me to treat women well, but after sharing my experiences with him he knows it's not relevant in our society today. He was able to marry a beautiful down to earth woman, but those women don't exist anymore. They had the potential to become it, but society has stripped them into a shell of the blossoming flower they could have been.

It even becomes a slippery slope, which is the problem I'm facing right now, where I want to say fvck it all and go celibate.

I know what it takes to land a hot girl. I've done it before, and I'm certainly capable of doing it again. But can I bring myself to do it?

You say it's the girls I'm approaching. I shouldn't approach club girls. WELL THATS THE ONLY VENUE THE HOT GIRLS FREQUENT

I go to a top university, there ARE hot women, but they've priced themselves completely out of the sexual market. Unless you run a hedge fund, have started up a SUCCESSFUL company (Silicon Valley, yo), or unless you're going to the pros you aren't closing with the hottest girls at my school.

I'm sorry that at this point I'm not attracted to an HB6 for anything more than a pump and dump. The only place I can find HB8+ is at these sleazy places, there's nothing I can do to change it.

And by the way, even on a nice smart girl this ******* game works. I met one of these "nicegirls" at a party, and for some reason I told her "I'm done talking to you" and turned around and left. I was receiving texts from her later that night begging her to hook up with me.