Mall Approaches Are Tough ....

[donArjun]

you really need to have you courage and confidence together on that one because you are basically having to DO THIS in the PUBLIC , and your alone a little.

YOU NEED TO BE QUICK and SHARP.....

I just didn't have the courage to approach anyone todays sarging the mall..

I guess my question is, for those of you who exclusively do mall approaches and on the street pick ups, HOW the HELLL do you do it ?

* Do you have a routine ?

* DO YOU HAVE the 3 - second rule ( u need to be quick)?


* Anyone actually get a LTR out of mall approaches ?


* What are the good threads on Mall approaches ?




btw, I think we all agree the best place to met quality women is malls, local stores, etc. IN a college environment I was successful today to do it on campus, but I am out of school and must rely on malls in the future etc, but, that was a step up and its harder takes more courage.

Any ideas ? Maybe I was just tired today...but man, my thumbs up goes out to you DJs who can do the malls.

[SELF-MASTERY]

* Anyone actually get a LTR out of mall approaches ?

I did I did I did... about a 6 month relationship.

[Spirit Fingers]

Mall approaches are only hard until you learn how to do them. Then, they're easy.

The way you succeed at day game is by first enduring massive failure. It took me about two years to reach the level that I am at now. There will be tons of girls who blow you off, are rude to you, flake on you, AT FIRST. You just have to push through that, and trust me, it'll be worth it. I **** more girls from day game than night game, and two of my three current girlfriends I met off daytime cold approaches.

Of course, there is some stuff that you can learn to improve your success rate. For me, what works best in the daytime are direct openers followed by natural game. Check out my blog if you want more info on this.

-Dan

[markjames]

For me malls are my main approach grounds. Chicks are relaxed, they are shopping/having fun etc. Look to be getting numbers and day twos. It is harder to escalate/isolate in a mall situation. However, I find pick up is easier in malls. You need something to get attention(an opener) And then you need to convey higher value (routine). I find mall approaches to be very easy and can be a lot of fun.

+sarge on
www.seductionbb.com

[mexican_player2]

yeah i need info on this too, cuz im gonna start approaching girls at malls

[everywomanshero]

It's not hard at all. There is more than 1 approach.

1) Find a single girl sitting in food court. Chances are she probably works somewhere close by. Just walk up and start talking. Easy. Sit down within
a few seconds. I've done this hundreds of times as I worked in a mall, and
I can tell you it's extremely rare to get a really bad reaction to this.

2) Approach groups of girls and entertain them via standard Mystery Method Game. I don't do this much anymore, but I hang with some guys who still do this. By winning over the girls, you can socially proof yourself in the mall with the workers and regulars. You then play off this much more than directly getting anywhere off the initial gaming, IMHO. If I could only be in a mall for 1 day, then I'd definitely opt for approach #1. If I plan to frequent often, then some of both can work well.

3) Playing hard to get with *****y store workers. If you're working in a mall, then this can work as you have regular interaction. This works really well when they have a reason to pursue you such as trying to get you to sign up for a credit card. Don't give in and do it, the more *****y she is the more hard core you can get with the challenge. The friendly ones, just get very playful challenges. I gained attraction from some pretty hot chicks this way that were HARDcore *****es to most guys.

Basically, you have to stop caring what other people think. It's about them getting your approval, not you getting theirs. If she fails to get your approval, then she's not a canidate anyway, so it doesn't matter.

[Mitch_Mustain]

the last chick I banged was from a PU at Dillards, she was working in the bed accessories part of the store and I ran game, invited her over for drinking the next week, she came over, I saw my first encounter with pierced nipples and we hit it of like.BAM.

During my graduation ceremony from high school I had to sit next to this hottie(actually) I kind of convinced the powers that be to set up in this way, they didnt know but I knew that this girl was gonna be sitting two seats down from where I was supposed to sit and well it worked out great. I created some attraction and didnt see her until about 2 weeks ago at SEARS, in fact it was all accidental. I saw a cute chick working in fact in the BED ACCESSORIES area of Sears, and so I made a plan to ask for directions around the store to the exit and so I approached and made little eye contact and thankfully she gave some horrible directions to a different exit and so this was perfect grounds for negging and sh*t and as i came back to neg her we recognized each other and I got her number. I havent called her yet. I'm thinking about setting up a priming date first, she seems like GF material.

[Espi]

I cut my PUA teeth via mall sarging.

See my mall-sarging tips here:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthr...highlight=mall

[Espi]

Originally Posted by markjames

For me malls are my main approach grounds. Chicks are relaxed, they are shopping/having fun etc. Look to be getting numbers and day twos. It is harder to escalate/isolate in a mall situation. However, I find pick up is easier in malls. You need something to get attention(an opener) And then you need to convey higher value (routine). I find mall approaches to be very easy and can be a lot of fun.

+sarge on
www.seductionbb.com

One thing I can add to this:

When mall-sarging, start with Hired Guns, particularly jewelry stores, perfume counters and kiosks, and Bebe women's store. This will give you confidence in evolving your sarging HB customers.

Yes, chicks are relaxed in the mall, IF it's during the weekday (never evenings). I've learned chicks in the mall are NOT relaxed during evenings or anytime on weekends--and this includes customers and Hired Guns.

Sarge the mall on a Friday afternoon. Your chances of number-closing a HB for a date the next night are optimal. You can easily access the Hired Guns and work your way up from there.

[Phrost]

Originally Posted by Espi

Sarge the mall on a Friday afternoon. Your chances of number-closing a HB for a date the next night are optimal. You can easily access the Hired Guns and work your way up from there.

lol so you're telling the threadstarter that Saturdays - Thursdays are bad days for sarging? Give some better universal tips man.

[Lifeforce]

Then don't approach in a mall. Go to a place where you find it easier. There are boatloads of places to meet women. Don't do anything because you feel obligated to do so.

[Espi]

Originally Posted by Phrost

lol so you're telling the threadstarter that Saturdays - Thursdays are bad days for sarging? Give some better universal tips man.

I've already given several tips.

Do you have any mall tips, phrosty?

Let's hear one. What's your best mall-sarging tip?

Here's a tip for you:

"The critic always knows the way but never has a car."

[Delta]

about these approaches,

let's get CONCRETE.

what do you say EXACTLY?

i can think of several things that immediately end in an uncomfortable situation:

"hi, how're you doing?" THEN WHAT?

"hey, i haven't seen you around here before.... you live in the area?" THEN WHAT?

or is the idea that if she's gonna give you a shot, she'll keep the ball rolling?

also, sometimes this is not brought up in context of approaches but my theory on the thing is that when you approach, you're sending out a "radar signal" (ping) and just SEEING WHAT COMES BACK.

but then, how many times does your first words to her (1st ping) result in an indicator of interest?

also, EVEN BEFORE YOU PING, do you try to get eye-contact and a smile to confirm that she wants you to approach or do you just go? and if your approach depends on non-verbal confirmation, how often do you get that?

seems like most girls do not meet eyecontact from ANYONE (in los angeles malls anyway).

thanks.

delta

[belividere]

Originally Posted by Lifeforce

Then don't approach in a mall. Go to a place where you find it easier. There are boatloads of places to meet women. Don't do anything because you feel obligated to do so.

I did pickups at the mall when I was an inexperienced 15 yr. old, and I haven't had success there since. In actuality, I really haven't been back to a mall except to shop since then, so I cannot say with certainty that my experiences are all that accurate.

IMO, malls are great if you are a teenager, but at 25 you should be looking at more mature places to meet women. Where I live it is much easier to strike up a conversation at a popular lunch spot where women go to on their break, or a coffee shop, than it is a place like a mall. At the mall you can expect a ton of underage girls and housewifes, and who needs that anyways. As for the one's who do work there and are in there 20's, why bother? Their career aspirations extend as far as to tell someone who is a size 11 that the size 6 dress there trying on still looks good.

Consider your target and aim in accordance.

[Krassus]

1. A routine? What? Why? Do you have a routine for your best friend? Or your neighbor? How about the chick you're approaching, does she have one for you, all worked out and written down? Quit making yourself feel like a creep. Just go say hi Pretend she's your old high school buddy. No, don't BORE her, just BE COMFORTABLE with her and talk about whaateevverr the hell you want!
2. At the mall, you usually don't have the luxury of 3 seconds. Master the 1.5 second rule or miss out on half the chicks.
3. Sure. It's far easier to meet a girlfriend-quality chick at a mall than at a club.
4. See my posts here

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=104342

[Krassus]

Originally Posted by Phrost

lol so you're telling the threadstarter that Saturdays - Thursdays are bad days for sarging? Give some better universal tips man.

Yea, in my experience, an hour on Saturday or Sunday is worth four hours during any other day / time.

[i am me]

for high school kids like me, i would say, try to get the girls attention first...look them in their eyes and hav a lil moment there. shell prolly look away shyly or smile or somethin....then jus go up and say "hey, wuts ur name?" then go from there.......

[Espi]

Originally Posted by Delta

about these approaches,

let's get CONCRETE.

what do you say EXACTLY?

Depends on who you're sarging at the mall.

If you're a beginner or have never sarged the mall, I recommend targeting Hired Guns.

In this case, you need not say anything or use a routine because language is facilitated around the merchandise you're thinking of buying.

For example, I walk by a jewelry store in the mall and there's a large-breasted HB behind the counter (jewelry is the epitome of materialism, and, as most beautiful women are materialistic, the chances of a HB working jewelry is very high). There's a male associate standing beside her. I act like he doesn't exist, and I walk right up to the HB, making eye contact as I enter; eye contact with the HB is extremely important; if you make eye contact with the the male associate, he is going to offer to help you (remember these people are there to sell), and that means you've likely just missed out on your opportunity to sarge because the HB will not try to take away a sale from her co-worker.)

I smile as I enter the store, but my smile is relaxed, as if I'm the most confident man in the world. Here's an example of typical dialogue.

HB: Hi there. Can I help you?

PUA: Hi. I'm looking for man's watch.

HB: OK, here; let me show you some.

PUA: Actually, let me tell you what exactly what I'm looking for. I need a watch that looks sporty, something I can wear in a suit at the office or during a night out on the town.

(this shows the HB I'm confident, and I'm making her work for me; think about it: most men who enter a jewelry store let the HB control his decisions; I'm different; also, I've hinted to her that I wear a suit yet I go out at night; this subtly conveys I have a good job , and I have a life.)

HB: OK, how about this one?

PUA: (neghit) OMG! That's not sporty at all! That looks like something my grandfather would wear! (to male associate): OMG! How do you work with this girl. (to HB) What else can you show me? (wink)

(now, I've made the male associate laugh; i control the room with my confident and humerous presence; she's likely attracted now, or, at the very least, intrigued by my brazen yet engaging demeanor)

(the key is to be smiling and act VERY fliratious when you neg; the hotter she looks, the hareder you neg).

Let her show you a few more watches, but neg and establish kino...a good way to kino her is touch her hand a second or two...do this 2 or three times...also, if she's wearing a revealing top (many HB jewelers do!!), ask her to fetch a watch that requires her to bend over ...and make sure she knows you're looking at her breasts when she does...As she's bending over, I like to utter sexually ambiguous things such as, "Wow! That's a NICE one! Would love to see it." A few women I've done this too have initiated kino after doing this!

PUA: (after looking at three watches) OK, let me get your business card. I have to shop around for the best deal.

A few days later, call her and ask her out for coffee.

[Espi]

^^^^^^^^BTW, mall-sarging Hired Guns works even better with a wing...

For example, go to a perfume store with a friend who has a girlfriend or is about to be "married." You act as a wing, a single guy who just happens to be in the mall with his committed friend.

The soon-to-be newlywed asks the HB for a business card...and a few days later, you, the wingman, ask her out for coffee. She's pleasantly surprised.

This method works especially well for wings because you convey the image that you were never looking for girls in the first place...it's totally co-incidental that you were in the mall that day and happened to meet the HB.

I've done this set with a single friend of mine multiple times on the same day in the same mall. One approach I acted as the wing; the next approach he acted as the wing.

[mustfirstregister]

Originally Posted by SELF-MASTERY

I did I did I did... about a 6 month relationship.

How did you do it. Thanks.