They give me their numbers but then they are too busy ?

yul · 06-11-2006, 09:11 PM

Hi ,

anyone could give me pionters please?

I've had a few women give me their numbers lately and its been very hard to try to meet with them afterwards. They are all VERY BUSY...

I am not rushing anything I assure you.

I wait a couple days then either send an email or phone call just to say hi.

My strategy is about trying to get together after this initial meeting. Something very informal like a walk in the park or a coffee...

Maybe I should aim more at chatting with them over the phone/email instead of rushing for the next meeting. How's that?

I've waited another set of days for replyng back and one of them called back to say she would NOT have time over the weekend?

I know you guys think I am AFC but I assure you I did everything not to be.

I did have good convos going on during our first encouter and very interesting ones as well. THEY GAVE ME THEIR NUMBERS...I mean what the ?

Thanks

Y

amoka · 06-11-2006, 09:46 PM

Next time you receive busy message from them, ask them when is convient for them. If they really desire to go out with you, they'll set up a date. Else they'll say they're not sure . You should then know that to be a sign. NEXT

yul · 06-11-2006, 09:53 PM

Thanks for that.

I've tried asking them what would be the best time.

All I got was, I'll get back to you soon...Kisses

Another turned down a date yesterday. she said: I am still "available" but I am realy tired today.
I replied that "I was very glad we had met and that I would try to contact her sometime next week. What would be the best time for you?" No answer yet...

Then the other: Well, another very busy weekend. I'll get in touch some other time. THIS COMING FROM A GIRL THAT ACTUALLY CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT?

I dont want to rush anything and I can understand but...

Can I be safe to assume that if I dont get anything clear within a week, then I go to NEXT ?

Freddy1 · 06-11-2006, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yul

Thanks for that.

I've tried asking them what would be the best time.

All I got was, I'll get back to you soon...Kisses

Dont ask her whats the best time. Tell her when YOU are availiable and if she can make it during those time. Try to make yourself more authoritive on the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yul

All I got was, I'll get back to you soon...Kisses

"Not acceptible. I want to know a day and time. My time is precious"
"Other than that I'm not going to waste my time with you."

Quote:

Originally Posted by yul

I replied that "I was very glad we had met and that I would try to contact her sometime next week. What would be the best time for you?" No answer yet...

Your begging too much. Like I said in the other post your "the prize" and not her. You say "I think I can make some time for you on .... "
No confirmation then give her hell. "Next pls."

Quote:

Originally Posted by yul

Then the other: Well, another very busy weekend. I'll get in touch some other time. THIS COMING FROM A GIRL THAT ACTUALLY CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT?

You tell her "I need a confirmation" or tell her off.

yul · 06-11-2006, 10:48 PM

I just dont understand how making it "appear" like I am so fu(king busy is going to change anything?

In reality, I am very slack in my schedules and have a lot of free time...

I told her I would contact her in about a week. Isn't that enough?

How would I be able to back up those claims of being so busy IF we ever get together afterall.

I've known people like that and I didn't like it.

Why would women like that? Aren't these foolsih games for christ sakes?

Maybe this just a tactic to simply see how much she really likes me?

I need help...;-(

hi2u · 06-11-2006, 10:50 PM

ALL people will respect you more if you act like you don't have a whole lot of time to spare. Men AND Women!

They're only foolish because women are foolish and have to be dealt with accordingly. Unfortunately, you have to get on their pathetic level in order to get what they have.

Freddy1 · 06-11-2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yul

I just dont understand how making it "appear" like I am so fu(king busy is going to change anything?

btw Busy because you have other women in line Not busy at work.
Other than that your going to appear disperate and needy.

yul · 06-11-2006, 11:08 PM

OK, you both have very good points and I can live with that idea and even back them to a certain extent.

So basically, I decide and she tries to manage my availabilities?
...and only then, I may just be more flexible?

**** it seems as if women really do have a lot of choices offered to them on top of the fact that they dont really need anything besides recognition and security ;-)

Thanks for being there for me guys I really appreciate it!

Freddy1 · 06-11-2006, 11:18 PM

I think you pretty much got it my friend!

I think our friend hi2u said it right "Unfortunately, you have to get on their pathetic level in order to get what they have." Arnt women mind games pathetic or what.

Victory Unlimited · 06-11-2006, 11:47 PM

Yo Yul,

Please listen to these guys. They're ALL right.

...and so are YOU.

Yes, getting the babe you want IS sometimes a sick, twisted, childish, and pathetic game. But as was just stated by hi2u, you sometimes have to fight this battle of the sexes ON THEIR LEVEL.

Yes my friend, this shiit is like down and dirty guerilla warfare. You may have to get bloody on this one, Yul. Sometimes when a woman's dating mindset is NOT elevated like yours may be, you have to take the fight to them----down in the trenches.

Women can be like children. They are immature. They are flaky. They can have the attention span of a 4 year old. They find it hard to think rationally and make up their minds ( I know what some of you are thinking: "women"..."thinking"...aren't those terms MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE??? LOL)

But seriously, the more attractive the women, the more OPTIONS they have. Face the fact that you're probably one of MANY guys who are after them. The reason these chicks feel like they can take their time getting back to you is because THEY CAN.

Most hot chicks have so many guys sweating them for dates that it can take them awhile to make it down the list to where YOUR name is. Yes, sad, but true...

But the good news is, if you have exhibited enough value, if you have shown yourself to be a unique enough, high status, attractive guy in their eyes during your initial meeting, you STILL may have a chance to get with them.

But for now, THEIR interest level is not high enough. If you keep chasing them (see---making yourself TOO available), they will lose ALL interest. You've called and you've made your intentions clear. If you KEEP calling, they will think of you as too easy. Then they'll put you on the shelf, along with all the other guys they're leaving in limbo.

Why do babes do this? Because again, they are immature. And not JUST babes, by the way. It is in fact a sign of immaturity when ANYONE vascilates between options out of indecisiveness. It is immature because that person has not had a sincere enough interest in, or has not grown enough to appreciate the value of really KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT IN A PERSON.

It's a problem of having whack @ss priorities. Think about it. Look at the amount of time people take to decide which car to buy, then consider how much time that SAME person usually spends on making a quality decision about WHO TO DATE. The former is usually well thought out, while the latter is usually rash and haphazard as hell.

So soldier, make no mistake. This is WAR. So as a defensive measure, you should cut off all contact with them. They already KNOW you want to hook up with them, so now it's time for you to give them the gift of missing YOU. If these biitches have any interest left in you at all, they'll eventually come looking for you. If not, then FUKKK' EM.

Now, as an offensive measure, your mission is to do what Freddy1 has suggested. You must go out and take shots at as many different women that you see that are attractive to you. Why? Because unfortunately, sometimes this stuff is just a numbers game.

If you keep asking A LOT of women for their numbers, at least SOME of them will give them to you. If you ask A LOT of women out, at least SOME of them will go. And if you go out with A LOT of women, at least SOME of them will be worth KEEPING for sex, or a relationship, or for marriage (gasp?). lol

Got it?

Good hunting!

jonwon · 06-12-2006, 05:39 AM

Ahh the phone number game I hate the phone number game, even if you score a few digits it means jack.

This is how the phone number game works, you are starting to learn and this is a very good thing, each successful guy faced this same problem.

A few statistics and they apply to all men I don’t care who you are:
Women will give you there number:
1 to get rid of you since you bore them.
2 they where interested in you at the time, that interest has gone when you phoned them.
3 they are too busy and can’t be bothered with the whole dating scene.
4 They give you a wrong number, see one.
5 They are interested in you and want you to ring, you wait along time and some other guy phones them, they are busy on a date.
6 Your too interested and clingy you have a number but you cant help to phone 4x a day to try to get a date.
7 You beg for there time, they don’t want a man who begs for there time, they want a man who does not need there time.
8 You choice on venue is boring, they are not interested in your pursuit and it has opened them up to an impression of you.
9 They like you and they are interested, you phone they are interested, there is no specific time frame, from the first encounter you sparked high interest.
10 You give them your number and they phone you! Yes it does happen once in a blue moon.

Personally I hate playing the phone number game it is such a pain in the as*, ppl say phone after x days, speak to her in a way that says your in control, end all conversations first, to me too much like hard work and most of the time I cant be arsed with it at all, unless I get to a stage where sex is not happening.

Girls I meet are mainly in bars, sometimes I get sex sometimes I don’t, to me they don’t have to be perfect tens either but looks help.

I normally take a number as a last resort, I chat them up then consider if I can be ars** taking them out and doing the whole dating stuff.
After all it costs money and time.

Thing I do if I do go down the phone route.

I pre-plan a date location, if I met them in a bar, I say lets go for a drink on x day in x place, you up for that, lets see how we get on.
I don’t imply we will get on and I need her, I am still qualifying her and a drink or a meeting is ok, she may still annoy me by being a negative person, or she may simply not seem that attractive in the sober light.

Let meet up in x place at x time, you free that day?

Or another one, Hi how you doing, its x.
We should get together when are you free, then work on it that way, you choose a time and date from what she says.

Don’t bother with ideal chit chat, just get date and a place.

Is she does not answer get the next mentality on, phone numbers game is another mine field of dating and more often then not, they wont respond but keep pushing and some will, it is up to you how many you want, or how many rejections you can handle.

Get numbers, phone don’t expect anything, just ask and see or move on.

Also next stage is being stood up, this should be rare since you can gauge if they will stand you up or not by there attitude.
If they have an arsed arsed phone call, then it is far better to say ‘hey look you don’t sound too interested sorry going to pass time, unless you can sway me that your not going to flake’.

Hate the phone number game I really do.

Chrispy · 06-12-2006, 07:36 AM

When someone is interested in youk, they MAKE time to get together. Not all is lost, and part of the game is the 'i'm busy' routine. If you're showing that you don't care all that much either way (on setting something up) it works in your favor. Always show or at least sound like you're busy and not as available as they think. When you sound less available they usually get more interested.

Plus these gals have lots of options too, so why put so much effort and not get noticed?

Freddy1 · 06-12-2006, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximus_Decimus

First and foremost, believing that you are the prize is a step in the right direction. However, you don't necessarily have to be this direct that you are the prize when initially gaming a girl because you come off as a "Date Nazi," LOL (remember the "Soup Nazi" from Seinfeld?)

"Not acceptible" may be a bit too harsh. Also, no need to verbalize "My time is precious." It's much better to imply that your time is precious. Try this response:

"Unfortuantely, that time doesn't work for me because I have xxxx plans for that day. I may be available on ***day or ***day. Let me know if that works for you."

Hmm, no need to be this direct. The above also has a hint of bitterness. Sometimes, if things don't go your way (no matter how good you are, you will always have failures), you want to leave with class. Think of any James Bond movie where Bond initially doesn't get the chick (although he always gets the chick in the end cauze it's Hollywood). You don't see Bond getting bitter if he can't get the chick but he always keeps his composure and class.

You can politely request a confirmation, but demanding a confirmation is another issue. Above all, there is no need to "tell her off," especially in the initial dating phase.

Maximus_Decimus

Good advice My Friend!

I forget that I sometimes come off as being too abrasive.

(Hey the Soup Nazi part was funny! LoL!)

yul · 06-12-2006, 05:01 PM

Hey guys, i havent had the time to read all your stuff but..
THE GIRL REPLIED BACK!

Not only did she reply back but she gave me her whole weeks worth of agenda and she also told me she wanted me to come over last night.

Instead of reading her email, I was typing on sosuave.com. That's hilarious.

So I told her I was available next Saturday, not Friday, Saturday.

Now I have to read you stuff because its important.

06-11-2006, 09:11 PM	#1
yul Don Juan Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	They give me their numbers but then they are too busy ? Hi , anyone could give me pionters please? I've had a few women give me their numbers lately and its been very hard to try to meet with them afterwards. They are all VERY BUSY... I am not rushing anything I assure you. I wait a couple days then either send an email or phone call just to say hi. My strategy is about trying to get together after this initial meeting. Something very informal like a walk in the park or a coffee... Maybe I should aim more at chatting with them over the phone/email instead of rushing for the next meeting. How's that? I've waited another set of days for replyng back and one of them called back to say she would NOT have time over the weekend? I know you guys think I am AFC but I assure you I did everything not to be. I did have good convos going on during our first encouter and very interesting ones as well. THEY GAVE ME THEIR NUMBERS...I mean what the ? Thanks Y

06-11-2006, 11:18 PM	#9
Freddy1 Master Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 564	I think you pretty much got it my friend! I think our friend hi2u said it right "Unfortunately, you have to get on their pathetic level in order to get what they have." Arnt women mind games pathetic or what. Last edited by Freddy1 : 06-12-2006 at 03:53 PM.

06-11-2006, 11:47 PM	#10
Victory Unlimited Master Don Juan Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the Frontlines Posts: 1,251	Yo Yul, Please listen to these guys. They're ALL right. ...and so are YOU. Yes, getting the babe you want IS sometimes a sick, twisted, childish, and pathetic game. But as was just stated by hi2u, you sometimes have to fight this battle of the sexes ON THEIR LEVEL. Yes my friend, this shiit is like down and dirty guerilla warfare. You may have to get bloody on this one, Yul. Sometimes when a woman's dating mindset is NOT elevated like yours may be, you have to take the fight to them----down in the trenches. Women can be like children. They are immature. They are flaky. They can have the attention span of a 4 year old. They find it hard to think rationally and make up their minds ( I know what some of you are thinking: "women"..."thinking"...aren't those terms MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE??? LOL) But seriously, the more attractive the women, the more OPTIONS they have. Face the fact that you're probably one of MANY guys who are after them. The reason these chicks feel like they can take their time getting back to you is because THEY CAN. Most hot chicks have so many guys sweating them for dates that it can take them awhile to make it down the list to where YOUR name is. Yes, sad, but true... But the good news is, if you have exhibited enough value, if you have shown yourself to be a unique enough, high status, attractive guy in their eyes during your initial meeting, you STILL may have a chance to get with them. But for now, THEIR interest level is not high enough. If you keep chasing them (see---making yourself TOO available), they will lose ALL interest. You've called and you've made your intentions clear. If you KEEP calling, they will think of you as too easy. Then they'll put you on the shelf, along with all the other guys they're leaving in limbo. Why do babes do this? Because again, they are immature. And not JUST babes, by the way. It is in fact a sign of immaturity when ANYONE vascilates between options out of indecisiveness. It is immature because that person has not had a sincere enough interest in, or has not grown enough to appreciate the value of really KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT IN A PERSON. It's a problem of having whack @ss priorities. Think about it. Look at the amount of time people take to decide which car to buy, then consider how much time that SAME person usually spends on making a quality decision about WHO TO DATE. The former is usually well thought out, while the latter is usually rash and haphazard as hell. So soldier, make no mistake. This is WAR. So as a defensive measure, you should cut off all contact with them. They already KNOW you want to hook up with them, so now it's time for you to give them the gift of missing YOU. If these biitches have any interest left in you at all, they'll eventually come looking for you. If not, then FUKKK' EM. Now, as an offensive measure, your mission is to do what Freddy1 has suggested. You must go out and take shots at as many different women that you see that are attractive to you. Why? Because unfortunately, sometimes this stuff is just a numbers game. If you keep asking A LOT of women for their numbers, at least SOME of them will give them to you. If you ask A LOT of women out, at least SOME of them will go. And if you go out with A LOT of women, at least SOME of them will be worth KEEPING for sex, or a relationship, or for marriage (gasp?). lol Got it? Good hunting! __________________ "Always outnumbered, but NEVER OUTGUNNED!" "No matter how many battles you fight---may your victories be unlimited!" The Victory Unlimited Show! Join the Victory Unlimited Army on FACEBOOK!

06-11-2006, 09:46 PM	#2
amoka Master Don Juan Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 32 Posts: 1,686	Next time you receive busy message from them, ask them when is convient for them. If they really desire to go out with you, they'll set up a date. Else they'll say they're not sure . You should then know that to be a sign. NEXT

06-11-2006, 09:53 PM	#3
yul Don Juan Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	Thanks for that. I've tried asking them what would be the best time. All I got was, I'll get back to you soon...Kisses Another turned down a date yesterday. she said: I am still "available" but I am realy tired today. I replied that "I was very glad we had met and that I would try to contact her sometime next week. What would be the best time for you?" No answer yet... Then the other: Well, another very busy weekend. I'll get in touch some other time. THIS COMING FROM A GIRL THAT ACTUALLY CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT? I dont want to rush anything and I can understand but... Can I be safe to assume that if I dont get anything clear within a week, then I go to NEXT ?

06-11-2006, 10:48 PM	#5
yul Don Juan Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	I just dont understand how making it "appear" like I am so fu(king busy is going to change anything? In reality, I am very slack in my schedules and have a lot of free time... I told her I would contact her in about a week. Isn't that enough? How would I be able to back up those claims of being so busy IF we ever get together afterall. I've known people like that and I didn't like it. Why would women like that? Aren't these foolsih games for christ sakes? Maybe this just a tactic to simply see how much she really likes me? I need help...;-(

06-11-2006, 10:50 PM	#6
hi2u Don Juan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 100	ALL people will respect you more if you act like you don't have a whole lot of time to spare. Men AND Women! They're only foolish because women are foolish and have to be dealt with accordingly. Unfortunately, you have to get on their pathetic level in order to get what they have.

06-11-2006, 11:08 PM	#8
yul Don Juan Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	OK, you both have very good points and I can live with that idea and even back them to a certain extent. So basically, I decide and she tries to manage my availabilities? ...and only then, I may just be more flexible? **** it seems as if women really do have a lot of choices offered to them on top of the fact that they dont really need anything besides recognition and security ;-) Thanks for being there for me guys I really appreciate it!

06-12-2006, 05:39 AM	#11
jonwon Master Don Juan Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 38 Posts: 1,446	Ahh the phone number game I hate the phone number game, even if you score a few digits it means jack. This is how the phone number game works, you are starting to learn and this is a very good thing, each successful guy faced this same problem. A few statistics and they apply to all men I don’t care who you are: Women will give you there number: 1 to get rid of you since you bore them. 2 they where interested in you at the time, that interest has gone when you phoned them. 3 they are too busy and can’t be bothered with the whole dating scene. 4 They give you a wrong number, see one. 5 They are interested in you and want you to ring, you wait along time and some other guy phones them, they are busy on a date. 6 Your too interested and clingy you have a number but you cant help to phone 4x a day to try to get a date. 7 You beg for there time, they don’t want a man who begs for there time, they want a man who does not need there time. 8 You choice on venue is boring, they are not interested in your pursuit and it has opened them up to an impression of you. 9 They like you and they are interested, you phone they are interested, there is no specific time frame, from the first encounter you sparked high interest. 10 You give them your number and they phone you! Yes it does happen once in a blue moon. Personally I hate playing the phone number game it is such a pain in the as, ppl say phone after x days, speak to her in a way that says your in control, end all conversations first, to me too much like hard work and most of the time I cant be arsed with it at all, unless I get to a stage where sex is not happening. Girls I meet are mainly in bars, sometimes I get sex sometimes I don’t, to me they don’t have to be perfect tens either but looks help. I normally take a number as a last resort, I chat them up then consider if I can be ars* taking them out and doing the whole dating stuff. After all it costs money and time. Thing I do if I do go down the phone route. I pre-plan a date location, if I met them in a bar, I say lets go for a drink on x day in x place, you up for that, lets see how we get on. I don’t imply we will get on and I need her, I am still qualifying her and a drink or a meeting is ok, she may still annoy me by being a negative person, or she may simply not seem that attractive in the sober light. Let meet up in x place at x time, you free that day? Or another one, Hi how you doing, its x. We should get together when are you free, then work on it that way, you choose a time and date from what she says. Don’t bother with ideal chit chat, just get date and a place. Is she does not answer get the next mentality on, phone numbers game is another mine field of dating and more often then not, they wont respond but keep pushing and some will, it is up to you how many you want, or how many rejections you can handle. Get numbers, phone don’t expect anything, just ask and see or move on. Also next stage is being stood up, this should be rare since you can gauge if they will stand you up or not by there attitude. If they have an arsed arsed phone call, then it is far better to say ‘hey look you don’t sound too interested sorry going to pass time, unless you can sway me that your not going to flake’. Hate the phone number game I really do.

06-12-2006, 07:36 AM	#12
Chrispy Senior Don Juan Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 34 Posts: 433	When someone is interested in youk, they MAKE time to get together. Not all is lost, and part of the game is the 'i'm busy' routine. If you're showing that you don't care all that much either way (on setting something up) it works in your favor. Always show or at least sound like you're busy and not as available as they think. When you sound less available they usually get more interested. Plus these gals have lots of options too, so why put so much effort and not get noticed?

06-12-2006, 05:01 PM	#14
yul Don Juan Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	Hey guys, i havent had the time to read all your stuff but.. THE GIRL REPLIED BACK! Not only did she reply back but she gave me her whole weeks worth of agenda and she also told me she wanted me to come over last night. Instead of reading her email, I was typing on sosuave.com. That's hilarious. So I told her I was available next Saturday, not Friday, Saturday. Now I have to read you stuff because its important.