Do you think hypergamy will cause there to be big "no men around" problem in future?

MatureDJ · Jul 5, 2015

I was thinking about this. With so many women these days being hypergamous, there are few men getting married at an early age. Then of course, some years later as the sexual marketplace value situation turns around, these women start to date all those "loser men" that they had spurned at an earlier age, perhaps marrying a few. Even for the ones that are married, because of their earlier hypergamy, the women can't properly pair-bond, and so a lot of divorces will result.

So eventually there will be a lot of old women around without husbands. Of course, the problem for them is at that age, virtually no man will be interested in any kind of serious relationship (and barely a few will even want to slam bam, thank you m'am either), as men typically only care to *continue* to pair-bond with old women they have bonded with at an earlier age, and with the fact that so many men will have gone through a life without significant pair-bonding at the proper age, they will be in no mood to even think about it - except for those men that need a nurse.

I have a feeling the whole "there are not enough men" complaint will continue on all the way through the life-cycle, and that old side, the women won't be able to even lower their standards to any low level to get a man (at least at a younger middle age, they can still "marry him", as the popular book states.)

Knight's Cross · Jul 5, 2015

MatureDJ good points,
I believe that feminism as a whole has a lifecycle. Unfortunately it will take a generation to wash out. I think we are starting to see this happening. Let's use me as a example. I married young, 24. Wife swallowed the pill of hypergamy. We got divorced. Now I consider that fortunate since I didn't get raped in divorce and we have no kids. So where's that leave me, well no way in hell do I want to pair bond with what's out there. Feminism, has destroyed femininity. I'm not interested in whats on the market, and unless I want to run clown game I am not getting any. So, where's that leave the 30 something and early 40 something women...well it's left them with shaming tactic to get the Beta's to herd into the marriage myth. Some guys are falling for it, and wash rinse repeat. Divorce, maintenance $, alimony, child support. I think when enough guys opt out, and there are enough cat ladies we'll see a change. What it will take is AWARENESS that it's been going on for too long and that men have a right to choice. That's the nuclear option. If guys are not buying into the marriage BS myth, then women HAVE to change. Roosh and others are on to this. The problem is that it doesn't sell. If you could somehow package and sell this it'd go like meth in a trailer park....

KC

JustOlder_! · Jul 5, 2015

Knights has it right. I am married and divorced beta. Now, its gotten weird as I feel sorry for the 20 year olds starting in this game. Women will spread like peanut butter for any creep that stimulates the clt. but will dump anyone with an ounce of connectivity or family values.

Malcontent · Jul 5, 2015

If most guys were smart and had a pair of balls, I think this phenomenon would occur, but there seem to be plenty of desperate dopes who will be lap dogs for a piece of fat, lazy, tatted, ragged out puzzy.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist this morning.

Knight's Cross · Jul 5, 2015

Historically values change when they are forced to. Case in point WWII. The very existence of the US of A was under threat. Since you didn't see women enlist, get drafted you saw a rise in testosterone, following the war these guys came home and for a generation you saw that testosterone in society. Men worked, women were homemakers and raised children. Now I'm not saying it should take another global threat to our existence, but that very well may be what it takes to swing the pendulum back.

Tenacity · Jul 5, 2015

I said this before in another thread about this Market of Women that literally TICKED OFF a lot of guys on this site: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2260441&postcount=18

The fact of the matter is that Feminism will not go away, and the gynocentric society will not go away, it's going to grow bigger and bigger. We are on the way from a Center Right Country to a Center Left Country, and the feminism movement is just a part of the BIGGER PICTURE which is to transform the United States into a more socialistic country without pre-dominate male rule (white or any other race of male).

It's no coincidence on why decent men who are providers are getting taken to the cleaners. It's no coincidence that men who WANT to be Fathers aren't allowed to be them. It's no coincidence that the "smart guy" (the nerd) is totally shamed and mocked in our country while the dumb a.ss jock is championed. It's no coincidence why certain things work to get her pvssy and some things don't work.

Guys it's no coincidence, it's not biology either, it's all cultural as Western society is changing and feminism is just a small piece of the bigger puzzle.

My recommendation remains, DO NOT enter into ANY legal relationship agreements with women. No marriage, no children creation, and no cohabitation. Only do committed relationships, short term relationships, dating and escorts. That's it. The moment the chick starts to act an a.ss, LEAVE.

Also understand if you date single mothers, DO NOT play the daddy role to her kid(s). There is a way that she could argue (if you have been together for a period of time) that her kids see YOU as Daddy now and try to make you pay child support for kid(s) that aren't yours.

I listed all of this out in my "Market of Women" thread and guys on this site blasted me for being a "Negative Nancy". Just read the thread and you will see for yourselves.

But this shyt is REAL out here, I wish I was just a Negative Nancy and making all this shyt up. Unfortunately, it's REAL and you guys need to cover your a.sses.

Poon King · Jul 5, 2015

Systems that are not well balanced always fall apart. Its inevitable. More a question of WHEN than a question of IF.

The pendulum will always swing back eventually. Feminism started as a result of an imbalance in the system that favored men. Now PUA, MGTOW, game, herbs, etc. started as a correction to the new imbalance that favors women.

Now that women have become increasingly, careless, sloppy and entitled.. a lot of men are starting to lower the pedestal and even question why they even placed women on one to begin with. Men are starting to ask themselves.. "whats in it for me?" "Why should I give so much for so little?"

Human beings are programmed to seek out VALUE.. which means any situation with a low cost and high benefit. Modern women have become high cost low benefit situations. However, many men are still in denial about it. In time more men will wake up.. as reality is something that always proves itself sooner or later.

In the mean time.. just spin plates and enjoy life. I personally love watching this process unfold. Grab your popcorn.

Knight's Cross · Jul 5, 2015

PK and Tenacity I agree with both of you.
Say there is a systemic plan to bring us all to the left, since humans by nature are right sided it will collapse. Just like the Soviet Union and countless other "utopian" society experiments. The problem that guys face is if that's true we are talking generations before that happens. For all practical purposes we are caught in the times.
KC

taiyuu_otoko · Jul 5, 2015

Tenacity said:
The fact of the matter is that Feminism will not go away, and the gynocentric society will not go away, it's going to grow bigger and bigger.

Gotta disagree with you on this. Feminism is a symptom of a fake economy. None of the women today would even have jobs were it not for the MASSIVE money printing in the last few decades. The whole "girl power" movement didn't take off until fake money entered the system, and caused all kinds of economic distortions and misallocation of capital. Right around the 60's -70's when deficit spending came into vogue.

According to The Fourth Turning, we're due for a MAJOR correction in the next decade or so, much like Greece is going through now.

I can GUARANTEE you there isn't much feminism and girls marching for equal rights in Greece.

Once the economic reset comes, feminism and all the associated "marginalized peoples" trying to "out victim" each other will get their due.

Problem is that feminism is like cancer, and the coming reset will be a MASSIVE dose of chemotherapy, which will kill a lot of "healthy" people as well.

THAT'S what people should be most worried about, not some hypergamous sleeze who can easily get laid by a beta.

JimProphetMGTOW · Jul 5, 2015

When feminism started it's ascension, men were clueless as to where it would eventually lead to and definitely clueless to the fact that it would lead to a path of destruction of the common man's masculinity. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm sure if we as men saw this coming as the endgame result, proper laws and boundaries would have been set in place to nip this sht in the bud years ago.

I'm very optimistic that more men will wake up. Places like this website is why. Today more than ever, men have access to the information to begin their unplugging and re-wiring of everything that we were taught at birth. The internet will be the primary cause of the death of feminism.

Women always made time to get together and complain complain complain about their rights and equality. It's only now through the power of the internet that mean are able to come together and speak our grievances as well.

As men, when we see a problem we like to get up and fix it. Once more men wake up, the hamsters of women will implode like you've never seen before.

-Prophet

evan12 · Jul 5, 2015

OP: women seem to be able these days to seem with okey guys even if they are in their fifties , I was in a trip and there was a lot of couples that women was too older than the guy .

backbreaker · Jul 5, 2015

Feminism isn't going anywhere. It's not a cycle it's really who we are; Feminism is the evil cousin of women's (legits) rights. The only way you could truely get feminism away is to do away with women's rights and i don't think anyone thinks that's just or fair.

AS long as women can vote, they will vote for themselves. AS long as women can work they will want your job.

With that said, I think feminism has become "code word" like "alpha" and "beta' i think feminism gets a bad rap. I have a 15 year old sister and i want her to do whatever the **** she wants to do. I want her to have every advantage that my son or i had.

You have feminism, then you have women who just use their gender to get over on society. That's not feminism. in any way shape or form.

Andrew Jackson the president, had a cabiet member named john henry eaton. Eaton visited this tabern / brothel and there a woman there worked named Peggy O'neal. Peggy O'Neal was a ***** lol (seriously) and she was getting up there in age and it was time to pick one so she picked this naval officer named John Timberlake.

She continued to work at the brothel, the cabient member would come in and spend time with her and one thing led to another and Eaton and Peggy got close.

I forgot rather Eaton had Timberlake sent out to see or Timberlake went on his own, but he went out to see, then peggy and eaton, a ****ing us cabinet member lol, are going out all in public, going on vacations, sleeping together. Eventually Timberlake dies (many believed he committed suicide) and now Eaton wants to marry the ***** lol.

So eaton goes to andrew jackson and says look bro lol, what should I do? Remember that Andrew jackson married his wife, Rachel Jackson, while she was technically married to someone else so he was kinda in the same boat. Andrew Jackon was like man **** these dudes, if you love the girl marry her. So he goes and gets married.

So he marries the hoe, and all the high society women in Washington are pissed the **** off 1. the old husband was barley dead and 2. now they got to bring this low class hoe in their groups and ****. So John Calhon's, the vice president at the time, wife basically boycotted all the formal events that she would be at. Then other cabinet member's wifes did the same thing. ]

So one of the cabinet members goes to Jackson and is like look bro lol this nigga got go to lol. He's making everyone uncomfortable and **** lol and Jackson, being the alpha male that he was says i'm not ****ing firing someone beucase your ****ing wife doesn't like this guy's wife what kinda bull**** is that lol.

Then you had newspapers reporting on the ****. Then what was just about a hoe trying to move up on the food chain lol is now a national story. Now Jackson is a misogynist because he won't fire eaton becuase in his mind women's thoughts don't matter. Now Peggy O'Neal, who in reality is just a literal hoe moving up the food chain, is about women's rights to not be judged by society. This is now, a real ****ing thing.

Martin Van Buren, who was one of the cabinet members, and the only one not married

looks back at this situation and says what the actual **** is going on lol. Then says look eaton bro, get the **** out lol. Then he has everyone else on the cabinet submit their resignation as well including his own.

Jackson then makes Eaton resign, then gives Van Buren his job as vice president for getting him out of that **** storm of a situation. The rest they say, is history.

Feminism, stupid women, ignorant women, opportunistic women, hydrogenous women (wtf is this lol. it sounds pretty bad ass though. I think i would like a hydrogenous women lol) is not some new wave ****. this **** has been going on literally since the days man invited fire. 50k years ago women were leaving the dude with the little fire for the dude with the bigger fire lol.

The key is not to change the system. The key is to learn how to operate within the system. Like Van Buren. Van Buren didn't ***** about feminism. he used the opportunity to become the ****ing president of the united states.

YawataNoKami · Jul 6, 2015

backbreaker said:
Feminism isn't going anywhere. It's not a cycle it's really who we are; Feminism is the evil cousin of women's (legits) rights. The only way you could truely get feminism away is to do away with women's rights and i don't think anyone thinks that's just or fair.

AS long as women can vote, they will vote for themselves. AS long as women can work they will want your job.

With that said, I think feminism has become "code word" like "alpha" and "beta' i think feminism gets a bad rap. I have a 15 year old sister and i want her to do whatever the **** she wants to do. I want her to have every advantage that my son or i had.

You have feminism, then you have women who just use their gender to get over on society. That's not feminism. in any way shape or form.

Andrew Jackson the president, had a cabiet member named john henry eaton. Eaton visited this tabern / brothel and there a woman there worked named Peggy O'neal. Peggy O'Neal was a ***** lol (seriously) and she was getting up there in age and it was time to pick one so she picked this naval officer named John Timberlake.

She continued to work at the brothel, the cabient member would come in and spend time with her and one thing led to another and Eaton and Peggy got close.

I forgot rather Eaton had Timberlake sent out to see or Timberlake went on his own, but he went out to see, then peggy and eaton, a ****ing us cabinet member lol, are going out all in public, going on vacations, sleeping together. Eventually Timberlake dies (many believed he committed suicide) and now Eaton wants to marry the ***** lol.

So eaton goes to andrew jackson and says look bro lol, what should I do? Remember that Andrew jackson married his wife, Rachel Jackson, while she was technically married to someone else so he was kinda in the same boat. Andrew Jackon was like man **** these dudes, if you love the girl marry her. So he goes and gets married.

So he marries the hoe, and all the high society women in Washington are pissed the **** off 1. the old husband was barley dead and 2. now they got to bring this low class hoe in their groups and ****. So John Calhon's, the vice president at the time, wife basically boycotted all the formal events that she would be at. Then other cabinet member's wifes did the same thing. ]

So one of the cabinet members goes to Jackson and is like look bro lol this nigga got go to lol. He's making everyone uncomfortable and **** lol and Jackson, being the alpha male that he was says i'm not ****ing firing someone beucase your ****ing wife doesn't like this guy's wife what kinda bull**** is that lol.

Then you had newspapers reporting on the ****. Then what was just about a hoe trying to move up on the food chain lol is now a national story. Now Jackson is a misogynist because he won't fire eaton becuase in his mind women's thoughts don't matter. Now Peggy O'Neal, who in reality is just a literal hoe moving up the food chain, is about women's rights to not be judged by society. This is now, a real ****ing thing.

Martin Van Buren, who was one of the cabinet members, and the only one not married looks back at this situation and says what the actual **** is going on lol. Then says look eaton bro, get the **** out lol. Then he has everyone else on the cabinet submit their resignation as well including his own.

Jackson then makes Eaton resign, then gives Van Buren his job as vice president for getting him out of that **** storm of a situation. The rest they say, is history.

Feminism, stupid women, ignorant women, opportunistic women, hydrogenous women (wtf is this lol. it sounds pretty bad ass though. I think i would like a hydrogenous women lol) is not some new wave ****. this **** has been going on literally since the days man invited fire. 50k years ago women were leaving the dude with the little fire for the dude with the bigger fire lol.

The key is not to change the system. The key is to learn how to operate within the system. Like Van Buren. Van Buren didn't ***** about feminism. he used the opportunity to become the ****ing president of the united states.

You want to hear a joke… Womens Rights.Feminism is only the tip of the iceberg. Feminism isn't really an ideology, it is nothing more than politicized hypergamy.

Your sister do not deserve the same rights as me until she get drafted(for example) , just like you or me.What’s really is the sexism that women have towards men and how men are constantly being blamed and abused for things that women start. True equality can’t be matched until social norms and policies are equally harsh. To many false rape accusations are said and most of the time no one receives punishment. There are so many claims that the total number is actually considered a grey number. You can always demand more equality however men are abused just as much as women and with radical feminists assaulting men the argument goes both ways.

Women want equal rights but not everything that comes with it.Women have always had power, the difference is that their power was always indirect. Men have routinely white knighted for women throughout history and have made decisions designed to protect women. I love that in a country where men were presumed to have all the power and have such a great deal we were expected to give our lives for women and children even if they weren't ours. Even though men control our country men are routinely given harsher sentences for the same crimes as women, are screwed in family courts (including forced to pay child support for kids that aren't ours), and are still expected to protect women like bullets and such don't hurt us. Look at the white feather ladies for an example of the power women have had over us when it appeared they had none.

Every single group of individuals who asserts some kind of group rights… a group of “women’s rights activists” for example, are not pushing for more individual rights, they’re pushing for more political power for a fictitious entity!

sharkbeat · Jul 6, 2015

Sad thing is neither men or women win or lose in this equality battle, because we both belong to the same species. We either both win, or we both lose, and it's been the latter.

DaddyLongShanks · Jul 6, 2015

So I didn't exactly know what hypergamy was and looked it up, and it's this feminist ideal of female maximizing their potential thru multiple sex partners and obtaining access into a superior "caste" of male.

The worst case scenario involves cuckholdry and hot-wife scenarios, with loving provider husbands made sexless and lied to about the reasons for it.

Kinda makes my blood-boil, but I'm out of a mindset that even allows for a "sexless" relationship of any kind. "put out or get out"

HoneyHitter · Jul 6, 2015

All I wonder is how and when did we fall into this trap of turning marriage into business? Why do women collectively keep up the act that marriage has nothing to do with cold ass business? And then turn around and go "Just kidding! Where's my money?" when they get bored with their own decision to get married?

IMO men need to join forces and fight:
- against false rape accusations
- for more boys-only schools (including mixed after-school programs)

Just a few thoughts...

YawataNoKami · Jul 7, 2015

Marriage has always been business.

Tenacity · Jul 7, 2015

HoneyHitter said:
All I wonder is how and when did we fall into this trap of turning marriage into business? Why do women collectively keep up the act that marriage has nothing to do with cold ass business? And then turn around and go "Just kidding! Where's my money?" when they get bored with their own decision to get married?

IMO men need to join forces and fight:
- against false rape accusations
- for more boys-only schools (including mixed after-school programs)

Just a few thoughts...

MRAs are already trying to fight the political and legal system that's established, but MGTOWs believe that their "fighting" is in vain. I'm a MGTOW and while I respect MRAs, I just don't see us winning this war.

Like I said, the feminism/gynocentrism is apart of a BIGGER left wing agenda to transform this country. There's a lot of integrated parts into it, from the feminist/gynocentric actions, this "white supremacy is holding us back" narrative, the push for class warfare on those who have been successful, the push for more regulation, the push for more domestic free SHYT, etc. etc.

They are looking to destroy Capitalism, Traditionalism, Family and Patriarchal Masculinity, to replace it with Socialism and a "form" of Matriarchy, not total Matriarchy but a "form" of it.

Do you think hypergamy will cause there to be big "no men around" problem in future?

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