Superfap

Jack Wealthy said:

If anyone still remembers me I was a guy who used to be on this forum and post, then I decided to just say screw it and wing the whole thing myself. Turned out well.

I also used to be a huge advocate of nofap. I went three three-month streaks and one nine-month streak with no ejaculation, I did edge for some periods, but never came. I never watched porn the whole two years.

Then I became a medical student and fell in love with endocrinology. The whole thing fell to pieces.

See, what I discovered from reviewing all the literature is the following:
1) Nofap has exactly no scientific basis. The "porn ruins your sex drive" is the opinion of a few well-marketed doctors and researchers. They have no studies to back any of their claims up and in fact are contradicted by what little research exists.
2) There is ample scientific evidence that shows not cumming for extended periods of time will turn you into a eunuch. Verified by my own experience. The more you ***, the more you will ***. It changes your aura. Watching porn and masturbating both spike testosterone huge amounts.

So I came up with Superfap, based partially on the writings of Jamie Lewis (chaosandpain, one of three weight training blogs worth reading) and partially on the "taboo" topic of masturbation and success. Turns out a whole lot of rich, successful people and politicians hit it with a very high frequency. Kanye West and Owen Cook come to mind quickly but there are many others, especially entrepreneurs.

Superfap:
-*** at least twice a day every day.
-If you need a spike of manliness for something, hit it twice as much the day before and don't do it at all the day of.

What to expect:
-A week or so of feeling a little sedated.
-The rest of your life wrecking it.

Precautions:
-No more than two hours of porn a day.
-Don't watch TV. TV watchers are without fail useless sacks of crap. If you're watching an hour or two of porn that is enough digital stimulation by far. Read a book or work out.
-If you feel tired after, that is because you are lazy. Make it your habit to get out of bed straight away the instant you finish. If you are with a girl make her get up too. It is so far out of the norm that the reactions are truly astounding. I had someone faint due to the shock of being yanked out of bed.

If you don't believe me you're probably weak and/or an idiot. Maybe you should give things a try before you judge them.

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DaddyLongShanks said:

I want you to review studies of how masturbation effect the mind versus being in real sex. I mentioned already that I have. In case you missed it, I read all ie both of the studies and many other relevant studies. I am a medical student. I manage a lab. I do this for fun.

I'm a no-masturbation proponent especially for a DJ, have a woman to handle your goods. Good for you.

Ejaculation is fine. If you ejaculate too much, some energy is dimininshed. Wacking off and not having a real woman can be a self-defeating proposition because you are rewarding jacking off versus actual sex. This is purely anecdotal and is solved by forcing yourself to get up and go out after cumming. Like our ancestors would have done, or like you would have done to get over your AA.

Also women can sense when you are having sex and not, it's in your pheromones. Jacking off does not raise your pheromones.Actually it does. I'm going to major in endocrinology. Androstadienone is a metabolite of testosterone and is one of the few proven pheromones. When you jack off you raise both obviously. You won't have copulins on your skin unless you have sex though, they are good too.

Please read those studies.

Also on the porn studies, some porn is OK. But a reliance upon it coupled with masturbation kills the drive to obtain sex with a real female, also it can diminish the intensity of a real sex situation if you are into very aggressive forms of porn that most ladies will not try in real life. Good point. Don't watch weird porn that you don't want to do in real life. I've never even considered that option.

So I hope you aren't proposing for a DJ to get more attuned to his hand than a female, that would be disasterous!

Some studies:
http://www.herballove.com/case-stud...bation-and-why-pe-seems-exclusive-intercourse
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/27268-are-masturbation-and-sex-physiologically-the-same/
http://www.menprovement.com/stop-fapping-jerking-off-and-jacking-off/
http://www.growthtrac.com/masturbation-ruins-great-sex/#.VbSOY3ww_tQ
http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/stop-masturbating-for-10-years

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Jack Wealthy said:

DLS, I think you are getting studies and random forum posts by people with no formal knowledge of the relevant fields confused. The other ones you posted just seem to be a "professional" who is ostensibly a natural doctor talking about how porn is bad. Neither displays any proof and the big words they're using to try and create erudite theories are more or less bull****.

In fact, none of those links are studies and one of them is just a collection of quotes from the bible. Your argument lacks any grounding in reality. I would implore you to do actual research on the topic if you want to contradict my recommendation. That would mean not just Google searching "porn+bad".

To everyone else, either try it or don't comment. Your opinion is worthless without experience.

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DaddyLongShanks said:

My real world experience is my sexual mojo gets shut down after 90 days without real sex. Masterbation takes away from the drive to obtain real sex. Buy a dictionary. Your argument is jarring because of both its apparent lack of evidence and your continual misspellings. Especially because I spell the words correctly several times above.

You can wack off all you like, but there are things that happen when two human bodies come together. You wonder how your sexual side is triggered by a female, its thru touch and thru your nose. This is true. Sex is good. That is obvious. This proves masturbation is bad just like it proves socks killed Hitler.

Anyway, when I was in HS I wacked off much. After my first lay it was night and day difference in my appearance. You could tell, and more women were attracted.

You are giving terrible advice recommending DJ's to load up on wacking off. It's stupid.

Just because someone quoted the bible doesn't mean it's wrong. Wait, you're seriously defending your 'study'? Jesus. You got beat. Just accept it.

I always knew sex and masturbation result in different brain chemistry, and I saw a scientific program on TV that explained why. YOu don't have to believe it but you can test for real world experience: 'Scientific' or infotainment? ALL the current data rejects this. All of it. Actually read it, instead of biblical texts. Also you spelled masturbation correctly here, good job.

Do this test:

1. 90 days without physical closeness and sex with a woman. Wack off twice a day. If you are getting attention from females today, you will notice it less by day 90. You will also be more easily stressed. That's exactly what doesn't happen. Read the first post. You are basing that on nothing. There is some correlation but no causation. IE, 90 days without wearing shoes and see your country music talent sky rocket.

2. After the 90 days obtain sex from a female who is into you. I'd pay attention after a week, you will start getting sexual attention and second looks from females again. Why wait ninety day? I mix the two up. It isn't very convenient to have sex in my lunch break at work, I only have an hour. If I'm at uni maybe. Or home obviously. But why segregate the two? This isn't either or. You should be having sex and masturbate. That will result in the greatest net gain. Because even if you can have sex 6+ times a day every day, adding in some hand power will boost that number and boost the effect. Actually to be honest, I find the end of my curve is around six times a day, after that the effect fades and it becomes a very time consuming task. Point of diminishing returns.

Any one of us who have had sex thousands of times and forced to go thru long droughts can attest it IS a big difference. Not me. Not Jamie Lewis. Not Kanye West. Sorry, if I want advice on excellence I'll listen to the people who have achieved it, not random forum goers with plenty of "experience" but nothing to show for it. In fact, if just Kanye West told me I would listen to him over you guys.

Even my physical body looks better when having sex. It's part of turning a man into a man, not a hand! I agree. Have both.


Are you sure your not a feminist!

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ImTheDoubleGreatest! said:

Okay. Okay okay okay. Dude. What the hell is wrong with you? When you jack it, you feel sleepy and tired afterwards. You're telling me that you aren't weaker and what not? What a load of horse sh!t hahaha!!!

And guess what bud: if you are ever so smart about the human body and its reactions to doing certain things to it, then you would know that every body is different, our genetics are written differently. You would also realize that there have been studies done to show that masterbation increases cortisol levels. Which if you do lift weights on the pro scale, you would know that long term elevated cortisol levels break down muscle. Don't forget that your muscles will not exert a force that your bones cannot handle. cortisol, just so you know, also decreases bone formation, which can lead to weaker bones. Yeah, you DEFINITELY broke a PF world record. :crackup: And EVERYONE who has had enough experience with athletics knows to listen to their body over some study. Do you understand what that means? No? Then you're full of sh!t. Also, keep in mind that one study does not represent me. There also hasn't been many studies done on fapping in the first place. And one thing I have noted was that you haven't posted ANY link to prove whatever it is that caused you to believe that fapping is good for you. Yet, there is 'scientific' evidence. You're a med student, not a doctor. You're personal input doesn't mean sh!t to anyone if you consider anyone else's input. That goes along with achievements. If you are too pompous and arrogant to consider anyone else's achievements or even look down on their accomplishments, then you are nothing.

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ImTheDoubleGreatest! said:

Okay. Okay okay okay. Dude. What the hell is wrong with you? When you jack it, you feel sleepy and tired afterwards. Some people wake up feeling tired and sleepy. Should they not wake up? You're telling me that you aren't weaker and what not? What a load of horse sh!t hahaha!!!

And guess what bud: if you are ever so smart about the human body and its reactions to doing certain things to it, then you would know that every body is different, our genetics are written differently. You would also realize that there have been studies done to show that masterbation sic. Despite multiple corrections, cannot sustain conversation in native tongue. increases cortisol levels. Which if you do lift weights on the pro scale Like Jamie Lewis/Sam Byrd?, you would know that long term elevated cortisol levels break down muscle. Don't forget that your muscles will not exert a force that your bones cannot handle. cortisol, just so you know, also decreases bone formation, which can lead to weaker bones. Yeah, you DEFINITELY broke a PF Sic. Despite it being two letters, he misspelled them. Go figure. world record. :crackup: And EVERYONE who has had enough experience with athletics knows to listen to their body over some study. Exactly. Do you understand what that means? No? Then you're full of sh!t. Also, keep in mind that one study does not represent me. There also hasn't been many studies done on fapping in the first place. And one thing I get butt hurt because is I hasn't accomplished anything to compare to Kanye, Jamie or RB. You hasn't maybe either, but I see you are 20 and seem to be a usin' the that there as motivation instead of an excuse to castrate yourself.

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Someone With an IQ Above Room Temperature said:

If you don't believe me you're probably weak and/or an idiot. Maybe you should give things a try before you judge them.

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ImTheDoubleGreatest! said:

What a joke. You have NOTHING to counter me and insult me because of it. Spelling? What does that have to do in an online forum? I'm not writing a research paper.

Butt hurt much? Naww its called being a ***** for refusing to admit you're wrong because of a FAKE life that you're used to living. It's called delusions of grandeur. Ever heard of it? You could be a schizophrenic.

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NorwegianDJ said:

This whole thread confuses me man.

Jack is well respected and a person that I respect greatly. I sometimes wish I had the discipline, courage, and fitness of this man.

Of course this is not inherent knowledge.

What confuses me is that just because Jack is bringing up something that is contrary to popular belief on here, one must immediately reject it?

There comes great joy and power in the ability to freely float between beliefs. Holding onto one and immediately rejecting another, isn't that being like those people you despise?

I don't really have a side here. I know that nofap helps me when I go on streaks that are between 4 and ~15 days, but that doesn't mean that it is the best method. It is in fact pretty ****ing disappointing to see the responses here and you should all be ashamed to be acting like this. Seriously.

"What a joke. You have NOTHING to counter me and insult me because of it." To be frank, you gave nothing to argue against. You say that everyone is different, then I'm sure that you can see how that is also an argument for his point of view? You don't want to write a research paper? Then don't retort to belittling other people and making far-stretched assumptions. That is extremely childish. Again, just really ****ing disappointed by every single post in this thread and I would probably neg you all.

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ImTheDoubleGreatest! said:

He was belittling everyone who disagreed with him. You seriously didn't recognize that in his posts? DaddyLongShanks does make several post several links proving his points, and he just says that it's not a reliable source. JACK NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO BACK UP HIS CLAIMS. Then he goes on telling us about all the fake achievements he failed to accomplish but said he did, and then uses that as an excuse to no longer reply to DaddyLongShanks. And of course everyone is different. Anyone who disagreed with Jack is wrong, so I tell him everyone is different.

You neg me telling me to gain some perspective and humility when you lack both yourself. Then you go and tell me not choose a side based on any bias yet because you respected this man long ago, you suddenly have the audacity to tell me I don't have an argument either. To top it all off, you just said that nofap has helped you when Jack said it was stupid and because of that allowed your position to shift to neutral. Yup, I'M the childish one here alright.....

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ImTheDoubleGreatest! said:

He was belittling everyone who disagreed with him. You seriously didn't recognize that in his posts? DaddyLongShanks does make several post several links proving his points, and he just says that it's not a reliable source. JACK NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO BACK UP HIS CLAIMS. Then he goes on telling us about all the fake achievements he failed to accomplish but said he did, and then uses that as an excuse to no longer reply to DaddyLongShanks. And of course everyone is different. Anyone who disagreed with Jack is wrong, so I tell him everyone is different.

You neg me telling me to gain some perspective and humility when you lack both yourself. Then you go and tell me not choose a side based on any bias yet because you respected this man long ago, you suddenly have the audacity to tell me I don't have an argument either. To top it all off, you just said that nofap has helped you when Jack said it was stupid and because of that allowed your position to shift to neutral. Yup, I'M the childish one here alright.....

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