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The 50 percent divorce rate statistic is a myth

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Half of All Marriages End in Divorce. True or False?


The 50 percent statistic is very misleading, if not completely wrong. "The demographics of divorce are routinely reported wrong, calculated wrong or misinterpreted," says Robert Hughes, a former professor in the Department of Human & Family Services, College of Human Environmental Science, University of Missouri-Columbia. Hughes says that for every two marriages that occurred in the 1990s there was one divorce. "This does not mean the divorce rate is 50 percent [because] the people getting married in a single year are not the same ones getting divorced," he says.

No one is really certain about how the 50 percent number imbedded itself so deeply in popular imagination. "The assumption has been (by those who have not studied it carefully) is that the 50 percent number came from someone noticing that, in the U.S., we have about 2.4 million marriages a year and 1.2 million divorces a year. Hence, 50 percent of married couples divorce," says Scott M. Stanley of the University of Denver.

"No serious demographer ever looked at the approximately 2.4 million marriages a year and the 1.2 million divorces a year to arrive at the 50 percent number. That is a misunderstanding that began early in the debate about what the divorce rate reality - a misunderstanding that is, unfortunately, widely perpetuated," Stanley says.

Part of the difficulty with divorce statistics is that the rates measure divorces in different ways.

Divorce rates become clearer when the calculation and compilation of the statistics is understood. Federal funding for the collection and publication of detailed marriage and divorce statistics was suspended in 1996, and as a result an annual count of divorces in the United States is not complete. Not all states report divorces, but despite this limitation the U.S Census Bureau calculates what is known as a crude divorce rate - the number of divorces per 1,000 people in the population. This calculation leaves much to be desired because it includes children and single adults who are not at risk of divorce. "[C]hanges in the proportion of children in the population will affect the divorce rate, even if the underlying divorce trend is stable," according to Paul R. Amato, who wrote "Interpreting Divorce Rates, Marriage Rates and Data on the Percentage of Children with Single Parents," a publication of the National Health Marriage Resource Center. With these limitations in mind, the crude rate rose from 2.2 in 1960 to 5.3 in 1981 - a 141 percent increase, and then dropped gradually to 3.6 in 2007 - a 32 percent decline.

The refined divorce rate - the number of divorces per 1,000 married woman - includes only those people at risk of divorce, so social scientists and demographers see it as preferable to the crude rate. Using this routine, the divorce rate ranged from a low of 14.3 in North Dakota to a high of 34.5 in Washington, D.C., for a national average of 19.4, according to National Center for Family and Marriage Research. Using this regime, in 2008, divorce fell from a rate of 17 divorces per 1,000 married women in 2007 to 16.9 per 1,000 married women.

Another number that sometimes comes into social commentaries is what is termed the cohort approach, which is the divorce rate among "people who married in a given year or set of adjacent years. People who married in 1990, for example, may have a different lifetime probability of divorce than people who married in 2000.

Thus, the divorce rate is misleading for a number of reasons. Not all states report divorce statistics. The divorce count is based on the total population, not the total married population. Using per capita at today's population distorts the comparison of current marriages because divorces that happen today arose from a smaller population yesterday.



http://www.divorcesource.com/ds/main/u-s-divorce-rates-and-statistics-1037.shtml
 

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YawataNoKami said:
Sure cupcake.

Must be another MGTOW that shames. Doesn't want to believe in the truth only in myths. They need to believe marriage is bad otherwise it destroys their fictional narrative.
 

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50% of divorces happen in the first 5-6 years of marriage. If the marriage holds together after the 5-6 years, there is a 10% or less that they will end up divorcing.
 

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Thread fail....why? Because even if 50 percent of marriages do not end in divorce, that doesn't mean the people are happy in these marriages and does not account for the people in these marriages who cheat or stay together for the kids.
 

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PeasantPlayer said:
Thread fail....why? Because even if 50 percent of marriages do not end in divorce, that doesn't mean the people are happy in these marriages and does not account for the people in these marriages who cheat or stay together for the kids.
No thread fail. How do you know who is cheating? How do you know who is or isn't happy in the marriages? Do you know millions of people's personal lives? The true divorce statistics were suspended in 1996. Every state does not report their divorce rate. Single people and children from census are used in divorce rate myth statistics. How is that accurate to determine the true rate?

You don't like what it says. It doesn't fit your fictional narrative of marriage being bad. Using your opinion trying to discredit true facts. That is a fail when there is no divorce.
 

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Peña said:
No thread fail. How do you know who is cheating? How do you know who is or isn't happy in the marriages? Do you know millions of people's personal lives? The true divorce statistics were suspended in 1996. Every state does not report their divorce rate. Single people and children from census are used in divorce rate myth statistics. How is that accurate to determine the true rate?

You don't like what it says. It doesn't fit your fictional narrative of marriage being bad. Using your opinion trying to discredit true facts. That is a fail when there is no divorce.
Peasant is 100% correct. Pena, not sure why you want to keep arguing with us "MGTOW crazies". If YOU want to sign up for a marriage contract, then do it. For the rest of us with some common sense who actually want to keep our finances, mental health and stress levels in TACT...we will do just fine over here in the "Bachelor For Life" camp.
 

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Two reasons.

1.) People are getting married later. They are of sounder mind when they make the decision which affects their lives like few others. They've lived a little more, maybe are tired of random strange, and make better choices financially, spiritually, physically, and emotionally.

2.) Marriage has become a middle-class and above, educated phenomenon. Financial comfort allows a certain degree of self-actualization that's needed to be a good partner and give up a part of yourself to be a stronger unit. The working class simply doesn't have the resources to approach life with the kind of comfort that leads to nightly dinners at home together, regularly scheduled and varied "date nights", traveling, the kind of things connections are built on. Plus working class people have developed a whole host of bad behaviors (drugs, alcoholism, gambling, gold digging, violence) that makes a horrible mate AND helps make middle-class"ness" more unobtainable.

If less people are getting married, and only the "better off" in mind, body, and soul are doing so it goes without saying that less will get divorced.
 

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Even if the divorce rate was 1% marriage would still be stupid.

When a man marry's a woman he trades freedom for financial and emotional slavery. He chops off his balls in order to "fit in" with society. He becomes his woman's property (not the other way around) and he takes pride in being a pet/accessory/assistant/therapist/body guard in a woman's life in return for sex on her terms when it suits her. He can no longer sleep with other women.. so his wife holds all the cards on sex.

When a woman gets married she trades low status for high status. She shows the world she knows how to train and dominate a man. She gains additional money and resources (as women are the main consumers). She now has a legal live-in personal assistant, body guard and therapist all in one and for FREE. In fact.. she gets paid to have one and if he decides he wants to cheat, leave or not "fall in line" like a good dog.. he is either jailed or forced to PAY her a fee. Its a good deal. :yes:
 

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No thread fail. How do you know who is cheating? How do you know who is or isn't happy in the marriages? Do you know millions of people's personal lives? The true divorce statistics were suspended in 1996. Every state does not report their divorce rate. Single people and children from census are used in divorce rate myth statistics. How is that accurate to determine the true rate?

You don't like what it says. It doesn't fit your fictional narrative of marriage being bad. Using your opinion trying to discredit true facts. That is a fail when there is no divorce.
Another fail because this works in both ways, do you know their personal lives? Do you know if they are happy? Do you know if they are faithful? No

You thread sucks
 

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PeasantPlayer said:
Another fail because this works in both ways, do you know their personal lives? Do you know if they are happy? Do you know if they are faithful? No

You thread sucks
Your post sucks only with your negative MGTOW opinion. Most likely they would divorce if they were cheating and not happy. The divorce rate is not 50% and divorce is declining and that destroys your fictional narrative of marriage being bad.




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Peasant is 100% correct. Pena, not sure why you want to keep arguing with us "MGTOW crazies". If YOU want to sign up for a marriage contract, then do it. For the rest of us with some common sense who actually want to keep our finances, mental health and stress levels in TACT...we will do just fine over here in the "Bachelor For Life" camp.
Peasant is not 100% correct. He made an opinionated post believing in his fictional narrative of marriage is bad like all MGTOW do. Finances, mental health and stress levels in TACT? You can still lose your finances and mental health without women. Sress can levels can go up without women. Painting this perfect way of life without women is what MGTOW does and not any of these guys seem happy.



Poon King said:
Even if the divorce rate was 1% marriage would still be stupid.

When a man marry's a woman he trades freedom for financial and emotional slavery. He chops off his balls in order to "fit in" with society. He becomes his woman's property (not the other way around) and he takes pride in being a pet/accessory/assistant/therapist/body guard in a woman's life in return for sex on her terms when it suits her. He can no longer sleep with other women.. so his wife holds all the cards on sex.

When a woman gets married she trades low status for high status. She shows the world she knows how to train and dominate a man. She gains additional money and resources (as women are the main consumers). She now has a legal live-in personal assistant, body guard and therapist all in one and for FREE. In fact.. she gets paid to have one and if he decides he wants to cheat, leave or not "fall in line" like a good dog.. he is either jailed or forced to PAY her a fee. Its a good deal. :yes:
Only a negative opinion coming from a MGTOW. He doesn't know anything about being married adding his fictional narrative to all married people believing marriage is bad.
 

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Poon King said:
Even if the divorce rate was 1% marriage would still be stupid.

When a man marry's a woman he trades freedom for financial and emotional slavery. He chops off his balls in order to "fit in" with society. He becomes his woman's property (not the other way around) and he takes pride in being a pet/accessory/assistant/therapist/body guard in a woman's life in return for sex on her terms when it suits her. He can no longer sleep with other women.. so his wife holds all the cards on sex.

When a woman gets married she trades low status for high status. She shows the world she knows how to train and dominate a man. She gains additional money and resources (as women are the main consumers). She now has a legal live-in personal assistant, body guard and therapist all in one and for FREE. In fact.. she gets paid to have one and if he decides he wants to cheat, leave or not "fall in line" like a good dog.. he is either jailed or forced to PAY her a fee. Its a good deal. :yes:
Were you ever married? Did your ex wife do that to you? Did you choose the wrong women to marry? I thought you and your dad live off your mom? If you're such a great catch you should find yourself a woman to live off like you and your dad are currently doing.

You're just angry because you can't find your perfect woman to live off of without calling her mommy.
 

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Why are we basing happiness off of marriage? Marriage is a made up human tradition, why do 2 people have to be married to be happy?
 

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Peña- Please kid, not everyone who disagrees with you is a MGTOW. Im speaking and forming my own opinions. If you disagree fine, marriage is nothing more than a made up tradition like a banking holiday. Do you really feel the need to get married? Is the bond between 2 people strengthened by a ritual?
 

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PeasantPlayer said:
Why are we basing happiness off of marriage? Marriage is a made up human tradition, why do 2 people have to be married to be happy?
They don't. Marriage and happiness are as connected to each other as scratching your balls and being good at Chess. There is no connection and no relation. Not even a small one.

But since most people are retarded sheep who take their cues from TV, movies, Religion, their parents, their friends, etc. there is little or no critical thinking going on when your average goof sets out to find "happiness". He doesn't seriously ask himself what would make him happy.. instead he looks at what other people are doing. That is what mindless sheep do after all and 90% of people are mindless sheep.

Defining who you are and what you do, based on societal norms.. or worse, the media is never a recipe for happiness and success. Its a recipe for mediocrity at best and misery/exploitation at worst.
 

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MGTOW are against marriage because they want more single moms to debate about. That and to collapse the human race because they cant have women to be like they are in the middle east where beta males live in fear unless they have complete control over their prized pedestalized women who might leave them otherwise.

MGTOW are so ecstatic that they get to keep their money they sit online telling each other about it while only spending it on their internet bills. :crackup:
 

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Peña said:
Must be another MGTOW that shames. Doesn't want to believe in the truth only in myths. They need to believe marriage is bad otherwise it destroys their fictional narrative.
I worked for the Miami Family Court Division (Lawson E. Thomas Courthouse Center)for 3 years, cupcake. 3 fvcking years.The stupid it burns.
 

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Why are we basing happiness off of marriage?
Why are you basing happiness off of marriage?

You're the one who brought it up about marriage and happiness. I just posted information about the 50% divorce rate as a myth. That destroys your fictional narrative of marriage and that makes you mad. Now you're trying to go off topic with marriage and happiness.


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Marriage is a made up human tradition
It is not a made up human tradition. Your opinion is that. Marriage has been part of our culture for centuries. Some cultures make marriage mandatory for nobility. Every religion makes marriage a priority. It is a fact that a child grows to be better in a stable home with a father and mother who is married.

PeasantPlayer said:
why do 2 people have to be married to be happy?
Who is saying that? MGTOW says that married men will be unhappy in marriages acting like betas getting a divorce with their fictional narrative.


PeasantPlayer said:
Peña- Please kid, not everyone who disagrees with you is a MGTOW. Im speaking and forming my own opinions.
It seems MGTOWS are the ones who have a problem with marriage calling men betas for being in one. They also make things up based on their own negative opinions like you are doing. MGTOW's fictional narrative is that all men who get married will be unhappy and divorced betas. MGTOW assumes that will happen to them and they don't get married. No?


PeasantPlayer said:
If you disagree fine, marriage is nothing more than a made up tradition like a banking holiday. Do you really feel the need to get married? Is the bond between 2 people strengthened by a ritual?
That is your opinions and you are free to do you as please. That's why life is so great. MGTOWS want to shove their beliefs down the throats of normal society turning marriage into a bad thing shaming men who are married. If that was the case marriage would never have been installed as the foundation of a normal functioning society throughout the world. Are your parents married?


Poon King said:
They don't. Marriage and happiness are as connected to each other as scratching your balls and being good at Chess. There is no connection and no relation. Not even a small one.

But since most people are retarded sheep who take their cues from TV, movies, Religion, their parents, their friends, etc.there is little or no critical thinking going on when your average goof sets out to find "happiness". He doesn't seriously ask himself what would make him happy.. instead he looks at what other people are doing. That is what mindless sheep do after all and 90% of people are mindless sheep.

Defining who you are and what you do, based on societal norms.. or worse, the media is never a recipe for happiness and success. Its a recipe for mediocrity at best and misery/exploitation at worst.
Nothing here but a MGTOW with his negative opinions about marriage. It takes a sheep like you to believe the worst of something you were never part of. You blindly go along with the other sheep who say the same narratives, that is what a sheep does. They all follow along believing in fictional narratives of marriage because they can't achieve it themselves. So they become angry and tear it down to feel better.


BlindFury said:
MGTOW are against marriage because they want more single moms to debate about.
Society is more screwed up from broken homes with single moms. Guys turn out to be betas without a dominant father figure guiding and teaching. Girls turn into whacked out feminists hating on men. Both turn out angry blaming each other for their problems. This is the broken values society that MGTOW wants. Then they want to complain about women being screwed up? How crazy? It is a fact that children grow up to be better having both married parents in the home. MGTOW calls marriage beta and a made up tradition shaming men for it.


YawataNoKami said:
I worked for the Miami Family Court Division (Lawson E. Thomas Courthouse Center)for 3 years, cupcake. 3 fvcking years.The stupid it burns.
More MGTOW shaming. So what, that is where people go to get divorced. Not everybody in Miami is getting divorced. If you worked at a hospital would you say everybody in Miami is sick? Loser.
 

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Marriage has changed. Marriage was a commitment between two individuals that they agree to stick together through life's thick and thin, regardless of what happens. It was the holy matrimony as the traditional religious Christians describe them. Two individuals (man and woman) decide to go through life together. It's a contract for life. Anybody who has lived their life through their 20s should already know that life will always have its ups and downs, regardless of how much money you have, or where you live, or what you do for a living. Marriage should be approached with that understanding that life have its ups and down, and now you are going to go through it together with someone else, and you stay together until one of you dies. That was marriage.

Fast forward to present: what is marriage? There is nothing 'sacred' anymore. People can divorce just like that. No social stigma with a divorce. As a matter of fact, people will throw a party when their friends get a divorce!

Because of the tradition that men are the primary bread winners, when a divorce happens, the woman typically gets the custody of the kids while the man has to pay for the kids. This then makes marriage a loser proposition for men. Women justify their actions through the filter of their friends and the society they live in. When her friends actually encourages her to get a divorce, and there is no more social stigma to a divorce, and she can "cash out" and live another bachelorette life again, women will do it. She will feel less regret.

This dehumanizes marriage, and as a matter of fact, I would no longer call it marriage, but a formalized domestic partnership. Your contract is only valid for as long as until one of you decides to quit, and that can happen in less than a few months. This is what the conservatives, the Catholics, are preaching whenever there's a same-sex marriage/divorce debate going on. They care about maintaining the integrity of marriage, but the liberals call it human rights to divorce.

Sadly, in a capitalism culture, an LLP probably has more moral liability than a marriage.
"Oh you quit your business, that's a shame..."
"You got a divorce!? Let's party dude!"

From what I have gotten from this forum, it's not that the guys here are against marriage, it's just that the landscape has changed so much that the definition of marriage has skewed so far off from the original, that it's such a bad idea for men to get married. The society should have been the fallback net if someone's marriage is falling apart. The society should have been their support to keep their marriage intact. But that's not the case anymore. The society is actually encouraging the opposite, and that's breaking apart families, and men become the victims of this fracture.
 
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