Biggest Obstacle To Getting Women

Biggest Obstacle To Getting Women
1. Trying to get women.

Getting women is not a skill set. It is not something you learn (at least, not properly).

Getting women is what happens when your values are straight. Instead of being on a forum about how to get women, you should be doing a lot of introspection, clarifying your values, maybe finding a church if that is your bent...and developing yourself as a person.

The women will come once you're actually a good all-around person. At least, that's what I've found.

I agree with this. What makes a man a great catch? One that has goals, dreams, passion... His happiness is not dependent on a woman, but his own life. Men build towers and women cast their webs upon them! Women with high interest level follow men like that!

Darth said:

Biggest Obstacle To Getting Women
1. Trying to get women.

Getting women is not a skill set. It is not something you learn (at least, not properly).

Getting women is what happens when your values are straight. Instead of being on a forum about how to get women, you should be doing a lot of introspection, clarifying your values, maybe finding a church if that is your bent...and developing yourself as a person.

The women will come once you're actually a good all-around person. At least, that's what I've found.

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yes obviously that plays into it but I don't like believing that it happens when you least expect it, as a guy you have to create your own opportunities in life, gotta go out there and make something happen, not gonna fall out of the sky and land right in front of you, since obviously women are the passive sex, and its the harsh reality you have to deal with, do I embrace having to be the assertive one? not really since I grew up introverted and socially awkward so that doesn't really come natural to me but if you expect life to be fair with you because you are fair then you're fooling yourself, that's like expecting a lion to not eat you because you didn't eat the lion

I agree that your odds are greatly improved once you've figured out your own life.... but I've had my **** together for years, i'm excelling at what i've chose to do (and it's ranked as one of the top 5 sexiest professions). I just go out looking to have fun and make some more friends. No girls throwing themselves at me though. So you still gotta go out and try to create opportunities. I dunno, I have negative game. I go and be me, my honesty and lack of trying digs me in holes, or when I do play game I overplay it. I'm honest, cheesy, have a twisted sense of humor, and like to establish friendship first. so maybe i'm putting myself in the friend zone. Oh well, you like me for me, or you don't. i'm not gonna play as something else for a relationship or some vag. ultimately i'd never be truely happy doing that.

I get what you're saying OP.

But I think there is a better way of putting it.

I've posted it many times on this forum.

Taking women too seriously is one of the biggest obstacles.

Most women deep down are "little girls", do you take children with tantrums seriously?

NEVER assume a woman is not attracted to you and when a woman "rejects" you CONTINUE to flirt with her. In fact, if she does anything negative IGNORE it...women are respectful, little girls aren't.

I honestly do think the average person doesn't know what flirting actually means, as many think it's the same as "hitting" on a woman and communicating that you like her...it is NOT.

flirt /fləːt/
verb
1. behave as though sexually attracted to someone, but playfully rather than with serious intentions.

I agree with this.

The true DJ's don't know anything about game or SOS. They are just good at getting laid.

As someone said before "if your focus is women ,you will fail at everything"

Honestly I don't think it truly matter what your doing with your life as long as you are a confident guy that owns who he is, knows what he wants and owns his sexuality. I think that is all that's necessary to get laid. If you want her to stick around you have to **** her good and also need to have some direction or purpose in your life. If you want her to invest in you, you need to have some purpose she can help you with. Whatever way you can make her invest in your emotionally and with her time, the more she will want to be around you. That is what makes her feel special and have purpose in her life. The problem is that unless you know how to do that you will be looked at as a selfish guy and she will be bored and move onto some other guy she will get her next thrill from.

Evan said:

Honestly I don't think it truly matter what your doing with your life as long as you are a confident guy that owns who he is, knows what he wants and owns his sexuality. I think that is all that's necessary to get laid. If you want her to stick around you have to **** her good and also need to have some direction or purpose in your life. If you want her to invest in you, you need to have some purpose she can help you with. Whatever way you can make her invest in your emotionally and with her time, the more she will want to be around you. That is what makes her feel special and have purpose in her life. The problem is that unless you know how to do that you will be looked at as a selfish guy and she will be bored and move onto some other guy she will get her next thrill from.

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Yes but it's hard to generalize.

Some girls want really buff tattooed white guys who deal drugs.

Others want businessmen.

Some care about looks a lot, some don't.

Some care about money a lot, some don't.

In essence, thinking about how to get laid will make you in AFC. This is why I didn't get laid in my 20's.

Now, things are looking up but I have a lot of work to do. My status is going up, but I need to work on my looks. So yes, introspection and self improvement are important.

You lose a lot of money chasing women, you never lose women chasing money.

It's all about the cash. Focus on it and everything else will come after. First you get the money, then you get the power and then you get the women.

Well if you look at Tyler from RSD he actually pulls tail (nonetheless skanky) whilst focusing on women.

I think it ulimately boils down to the quality of women you're looking for. A well-rounded man would automatically attract women who recognise real value. If you want to attract such women, then your theory applies.

For myself, I've noticed a greater reception from girls recently when I go in wih the purpose of improving 1% everyday. Every time I fck up, it gives me a chance to reflect and learn, that's what excites me. And to be honest, I have so much on my plate (University, business, networking events, bjj, fencing etc) right now I barely have enough time for just 1 date a week. I think its the vibe you give off to quality women when you genuinely have passion, ambition and of course no time for games.

The opening post is actually very profound. Well done dude.

PairPlusRoyalFlush said:

bunch of nonsense honestly, I got women when I started acting like an a$$ and got more outgoing, thats all.

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...I actually agree with this.

You can pull women without even focusing on your drive and direction in life, I mean those definitely help you in life but aren't really linked with getting women. Status, good game, and good looks, is what gets women. I mean you still have to run game, sometimes go out of your way, and somewhat "chase" women. The only difference is that you basically aren't focusing on them and you're living life on your own terms essentially. You could be at a dead end in life and still be getting laid every night.

The only thing that really matters is how you view yourself, others, and everything in the world. If you're negative and all that, boom. AFC. If you're positive and talkative, boom. Good with women and have the possibility of becoming a "DJ." Its the confidence that comes from pursuing your drive is what women find attractive, not the drive itself. Of course if you have really really bad genetics, then you're going to have a tougher time. But not impossible.

I guess what I'm saying is that confidence and a positive mind is all that really matters. Once you have either one, giving a woman or anybody, "everything" just seems stupid.

skinnyguy said:

Yes but it's hard to generalize.

Some girls want really buff tattooed white guys who deal drugs.

Others want businessmen.

Some care about looks a lot, some don't.

Some care about money a lot, some don't.

In essence, thinking about how to get laid will make you in AFC. This is why I didn't get laid in my 20's.

Now, things are looking up but I have a lot of work to do. My status is going up, but I need to work on my looks. So yes, introspection and self improvement are important.

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some like indian guys.

Frayzer said:

...I actually agree with this.

You can pull women without even focusing on your drive and direction in life, I mean those definitely help you in life but aren't really linked with getting women. Status, good game, and good looks, is what gets women. I mean you still have to run game, sometimes go out of your way, and somewhat "chase" women. The only difference is that you basically aren't focusing on them and you're living life on your own terms essentially. You could be at a dead end in life and still be getting laid every night.

The only thing that really matters is how you view yourself, others, and everything in the world. If you're negative and all that, boom. AFC. If you're positive and talkative, boom. Good with women and have the possibility of becoming a "DJ." Its the confidence that comes from pursuing your drive is what women find attractive, not the drive itself. Of course if you have really really bad genetics, then you're going to have a tougher time. But not impossible.

I guess what I'm saying is that confidence and a positive mind is all that really matters. Once you have either one, giving a woman or anybody, "everything" just seems stupid.

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I like the sound of that, even Dan Bacon of the Modern Man said something like you can still get a girlfriend/get laid without being a purpose-driven man its just the level of love and respect, attraction she has for you will not be at its peak or pinnacle

This is why we feel that trying to get women is counterproductive:

You spend hours upon hours trying to "improve" yourself by working out, focusing on career and making money, building social contacts, reading the DJ bible, going to workshops, and changing your style. Yet you still find yourself fapping to porn on Friday night.

Meanwhile, the unemployed guy with tattoos is pulling HB 9's because he's "edgy".

Those guys will always have a leg up because they have the bad boy image. I could work with the best gurus in the world, whether it be Tyler Durden or Neil Strauss, and still never be able to compete with those guys. Some guys are born with it, and some aren't.

You do not NEED to work on yourself in order to get women. There are plenty examples of guys who just smoke weed and are able to get top tier puss. But those guys are probably not AFC's. AFC's have a totally different rulebook because they just aren't attractive to women. An AFC can be making 500,000 per year, have a nice car, and have a vacation home in Hawaii and still not be able to get laid. It's more about your vibe that comes across.

I wanted to suggest a few jobs that are actually attractive to women without you having to do work to get them:

1) DJ
2) Musician
3) Pimp
4) Drug Dealer
5) Club Promoter

Notice that lawyer, doctor, or investment banker are not on that list. Why? Because that's just how women think. We are spending time chasing our careers, which is good, but at the end of the day that alone won't get puss. Working out won't get puss. But being at the top of your social circle might get puss, and that is something very few people actually have.

My point is, if you have to be fake to get women, you lose at life. Attracting women should come naturally for a man. If it doesn't, you need to become more of a man, not learn tricks.