As a person who lived in Baltimore for many years, on the Ray Rice Incident

Of course everyone by now knows the Ray Rice incident. He hit a woman who was aggravating him, and he was eventually fired from the Baltimore Ravens.

Now this is the same Baltimore Ravens that stood by Ray Lewis, when Ray Lewis murdered a man and was guilty of obstructing justice in that very case. Think about that for a good two minutes. For an organization that seems to be against violence, it seems to look the other way when a man is murdered as opposed to a woman hit. Slightly inconsistent.

How many of you guys have lived in Baltimore? For a decent amount of time? I have. So I think I can speak on the SMP there more than any of you can. Squirrels too maybe, if he was still around this forum.

Baltimore is not like NYC. Baltimore varies more from street to street, neighborhood to neighborhood. You can easily walk into ghetto areas if you walk a street or two, too far. And I have many times.

Have you ever seen a woman talking on her cellphone to her girlfriend about her man is too much of a pu$$y to stand up to her? How she is a little woman and how her man should have put her in her place immediately but didn't, and she lost respect for him?

Or how a drunk couple fighting had the man slap her or hit her, then suddenly the argument ended and the couple went and were MORE affectionate towards each other and probably went home for makeup sex?

Have you seen some of the women that roam the streets of Baltimore and push their men into provocations and keep on pushing and pushing until the man hits her and she is oddly satisfied?

I have plenty of times.

Did Ray Rice hit too hard? Maybe. That's for his gf/wife to decide. Yet this woman, after being knocked out in such a way, married him. This woman not only married him, but publicly forgave him. This woman not only publicly forgave him, but said all those were trying to defend her were harming her and her life.

Now I end with a rhetorical question. You have a gf or wife. You love her, you really do and sometimes "next" ain't an option like SoSuave likes to constantly throw out. She is being hysterical in her words. Not only that, she is starting to push you, hit you. She isn't stopping anytime soon.

What's better, hit her once and end the problem once and for all?

Or let the argument draw out/leave. Both of you more tired and more angry. You start to resent her for being a nagging b1tch. She starts to resent you because you won't even stand up for yourself. Eventually one of you guys get fed up and there is a breakup.

Half of you guys in the other NFL thread advocate for the latter.

Come to Baltimore and live here for 5 years. And you will see why everyone in Baltimore sees Ray Rice's firing as an ABSOLUTE JOKE. A man murders a man and is supported by the NFL until 2013, a man hits a woman in 2014 who goes on to not only forgive, but lovingly marry him, and the man is fired. This is in a city where the woman WANT their men to be more forceful, to stand up to them, to hit them at times. It is the funniest joke the city of Baltimore has seen in decades.

Yet the comments I see on Baltimore news boards and Ravens forums are not largely in support of Rice. Many call out the NFL and Ravens for being hypocrites with regard to Rice and Lewis...but none of them are saying how the area's women like being hit or want it.

I have friends from and in the area...and they wouldnt agree with your stance on domestic violence OP. With regard to Janay Rice...homegirl married him because she WANTS THE MONEY. If it werent for that, I doubt she would have stayed. And this marriage is definitely going to fail now in my opinion.

Personally, I dont need to and have never had to hit a woman in order to get her to treat me right. If a woman wants to act hysterical or hit me, shes warned very sternly the first time...and honestly shes broken up with or divorced if the situation is bad enough. There no need to strike her "once and for all". Stupid men in 21st century America do that and end up in without a job, in jail, or seriously hurt.

Why do I say seriously hurt? Because there are male relatives out there, myself included, that will definitely not allow some dude beating up on their sisters, daughters, nieces, or cousins. And also, a woman could attack you with a weapon and hurt you, and if she has marks on her because you hit her, she can claim self defense. Then youre all fvked up and she gets nothing done to her legally.

So yeah, Im not gonna sit here and defend Rice, and neither are the people I know from the area. People are quick to trade-in his jersey since the Ravens are doing the free exchange...so the support for him or his actions is shrinking after this new video released. I wont defend Rice for behaving stupidly. He deserves as much ridicule as he gets in this...same way the NFL and the Ravens deserves all the bashing they are getting. (Roger Goddells lying ass especially)

My prediction: Pittsburgh 24, Baltimore 13.

Danger said:

Hopefully the women in your family are smart enough to not provoke anything. Not saying that is the case in Ray Rice, but if a woman assaulted me and I returned the favor, any man jumping in will get the same.

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Hit the women in my family and do them harm, you'd be in for some hurt. Dudes dont beat on my loved ones. End of story. Trust me, my jumping in wont get me the same. No one messes with my blood. Simple as that.

Danger said:

Hopefully the women in your family are smart enough to not provoke anything. Not saying that is the case in Ray Rice, but if a woman assaulted me and I returned the favor, any man jumping in will get the same.

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Agreed, and I like your other takes on this topic Danger.

No offense Jaylan, but your attitude is waxing beta on this one. There are millions of men out there who will profess to "come to the rescue" of any poor dame who was struck by a man. That seems noble, but at it's core it is dyed-in-the-wool white knighting.

It's one thing if a woman is getting the absolute TAR beaten out of her by a man; seemingly without justifiable provocation, but it is quite another to come in guns blazing because a woman got smacked. Sister? Mom? Ok I get that, it's expected, and I'd probably be compelled to due the same. But you being "blood" does not in itself make you superior to me, or any other guy for that matter. History is replete with tough guys who stepped in the name of honor and got beaten just the same. Anger is not an asset in a fight.

But I'm still with Danger here; if I have to defend myself against a woman who assaulted me, any guy who decides to step in and be a hero will get the same treatment.


As far as Ray Rice goes, why is no one acknowledging that SHE HIT HIM FIRST?!?! Can we hold women accountable for ANYTHING in this country??

I think he lost his cool and given that he is a public figure and he did this in a casino of all places, he kind of had this coming. But it does appear she provoked him so I think she should be held duly responsible or the whole thing should just be dropped.

The NFL had to make a political statement. Pro football is a multi-billion dollar BUSINESS, first and foremost, and with video evidence of domestic violence, plus a very large female audience, they had to do it. It's not fair, but business isn't fair.

^Spitting is battery and Ray Rice spit on her first.

So if a man spits on you and you slap him for doing so....would others be right to argue that you assaulted him first? Read the law....spitting is considered battery.

And lmao @ calling me beta for defending my female family members. Whatever you say bro. Its easy to say that online (and I hope men on this forum arent stupid enough to ruin their lives or careers over this crap like Rice did)...but be dumb enough to mess with the wrong woman and there are "beta" guys out there who will show you who the real alpha is. Nevermind the fact that the law will be more lenient on a man beating another man if its in order to defend the women or children in his family.

So all the dudes on this forum saying they would hit a woman need to be wiser about this crap. Also, when I said I protect my blood, Im saying some dude I barely know will not be allowed to physically mistreat my female family members. He'd get a deserved ass beating.

Sure a man should defend himself...but only when a woman is a realistic threat to him. Ray Rice's situation has NOTHING to do with a woman who put him in danger. He spit on a woman, then proceeded to intimidate and provoke her response...and then he punched out the mother of his kids.

Its idiotic that dudes are trying to still say Janay Rice started this whole mess. Ray Rice definitely lied when the story originally broke.

ArcBound said:

Of course everyone by now knows the Ray Rice incident. He hit a woman who was aggravating him, and he was eventually fired from the Baltimore Ravens.

Now this is the same Baltimore Ravens that stood by Ray Lewis, when Ray Lewis murdered a man and was guilty of obstructing justice in that very case. Think about that for a good two minutes. For an organization that seems to be against violence, it seems to look the other way when a man is murdered as opposed to a woman hit. Slightly inconsistent.

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They call it the National Felons League for a reason. If Rice's worst crime is hitting his girlfriend, he's obviously too soft for the NFL.

On a separate note, why do people idolize these overgrown gorillas that run around in spandex tights and slap each other on the butt? 99% of football players and other professional athletes are dumber than a bag of rocks. There are exceptions, like Wayne Gretzky for example, but they are rare. So why do we care about the fate of someone like Ray Rice? In an ideal world, he'd be living in obscurity, working as a janitor or construction worker. Yet, we turn men like him into idols. Just because they can run fast with a ball. Think about that.

I think the new in thing on this forum is just calling jalyn a beta regarldess of what he says.


My dad beat the **** out of a guy at my house and broke the windows in his car for PUSHING my mom.. and they were divorced lol. she called my dad, my dad lived about 5 mins away, dropped what he was doing, told him if he ever showed his face around her again he'd kill him..


hit my wife and see what the **** happens. put your hands on my sister and see what the **** happens. put your hands on my mom and see what the **** happens. I don't' give a **** who started it. Short of my mom pulling a gun or a knife on someone I'm flying back to little rock.

i don't know where the **** you people are from lol. I don't play that, no one in my family plays that ****. You don't hit a person who can't defend themselves, or you will have to deal with someone else in the famly who CAN defend themselves. Maybe that's a black/ culture thing I don't know but that **** ain't happening lol. I wish a mother****er would call himself slapping my sister or hitting my sister. I would without question catch charges defending my sister / mom / wife.

^Exactly.

How in the world am I a beta for defending female family members against men I dont even fvking know well or know at all. Of course Im going to physically protect and defend the honor of my female blood relatives. I will certainly take their word over the word of some guy I dont know or barely know.

Its not like Im running around getting involved in the personal relationships of women I dont know.

^Ray Rice spit first and that is considered battery. Expect retaliation.

Danger said:

Ok intertubes tough guy.....


You need root cause analysis, because if you give free reign on the women in your family to assault other men, with you and others as backup to allow it, then you deserve what comes to you as a result, and so do they. I have no issue admitting I have given beat-downs before in this situation and the same thing happened to her brother. You would only be the next domino.

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Like I said, I protect my family and take their word over some nobody I barely know. You can say how much you've given beat downs and it wouldnt matter when my brother and I laid into you. So talk as much as you like, it matters none to me. No dudes rough up my female family members.

Put your hands on my mother or lil sisters, and get a bat to the legs. Good job giving any beatdowns after the fact. Unless they put you in legitimate danger, you dont lay a hand on them. That's how I see it regarding my loved ones. Ill get arrested if it means letting some idiot know not to mess with my immediate family.

And honestly, we shouldnt even be giving this angle any discussion, given the fact that Ray Rice spit on his woman first and provoked the entire spitting and hitting situation.

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Danger, dont speak as if your the only person who carries a gun. And btw, females own them to. And many a man has been shot for laying his hand on a woman. So be stupid, and see what happens. I stand by everything I said, and if a woman shoots you for laying hands on her, the law isnt going to put her in any prison.

So dont be stupid. You'll either end up hurt real bad and in jail, or simply dead.

Good thread.

Jaylan has to be a female. (S)He takes the scenario of a male in a physical altercation with a (black) female too personal to be a male. And didn't Jaylan practically make excuses for the two black guys that knocked out and robbed a random white girl? And also (s)he downplays the "knockout game" when the completely innocent victim is a white female. But when it's a black female (probably like Jaylan is in reality) hit then it instantly becomes a huge issue and the outrage. Very hypocritical, black-centric, female-centric, and why I dismiss anything a two-fer says .

Jay-Z got laughed at for getting beat on by Solange....Ray rice get crucified for fighting his fiancé back

you guys are getting played like fiddles.

Mel Gibson,josh brolin,christian bale(beat his mama ass)mickey rourke, gary busey,vanilla ice,tommy lee, Charlie sheen, sean penn, Nicolas cage, steven seagel, all these dudes have beat their girlfriends and wives

so why is this such a huge topic??????????

Why is Ray rice the poster child of domestic violence?

Fatal Jay said:

so why is this such a huge topic??????????

Why is Ray rice the poster child of domestic violence?

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I agree. Police call outs for domestic violence incidents have always been through the roof within the black and Pacific islander communities. This fact of life has been rampant longer than anyone here has been alive. Yet now status whoring and moral preening sh!tlibs have a (pretend) feeeelz all of a sudden over it all? GTFO

It's only gaylan and that rascal kid who seem to be having mini meltdowns over it for whatever reason known only to them. Perhaps your ire should be directed at those two morons eh?

Stagger Lee said:

Jaylan has to be a female. (S)He takes the scenario of a male in a physical altercation with a (black) female too personal to be a male. And didn't Jaylan practically make excuses for the two black guys that knocked out and robbed a random white girl? And also (s)he downplays the "knockout game" when the completely innocent victim is a white female. But when it's a black female (probably like Jaylan is in reality) hit then it instantly becomes a huge issue and the outrage. Very hypocritical, black-centric, female-centric, and why I dismiss anything a two-fer says .

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You mean how dare I state the fact that I as a man would physically protect females in my family?

Whats wrong with what I have said here. Quote me where you take issue with what Ive said.

Fact is that men should protect their family.

And the fact is also that Ray Rice is a b!tch made punk who spit on and tried to provoke a smaller female into a fight. Stop derailing this sh!t onto knockout. I will ridicule any aggressor in any case. In this case Ray Rice is the aggressor. All the evidence points to this.

And please find a quote where I made any excuse for idiots knocking out and robbing someone. FIND IT AND SHOW EVERYONE. Because its too often that fools on this forum try to put words in my mouth. Find the post of me defending such behavior. Unlike some idiots on this board, I wont defend fools like that (the way some of you try hard to defend Ray Rice)

Try harder next time with your weak race bait angle idiot. This isnt about race. This is about grown men acting like pussies and attacking weak azz women.

Danger said:

And when it's a female family member who is the aggressor?

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I take the word of a family member over someone I barely know any day of the week. That's how most people operate. Why the hell should I believe someone I barely know versus someone who raised me and/or grew up with me.

I didn't get a chance to finish this up earlier, so I'm replying now.

The Lewis incident happened years ago, so you can't compare that to an incident today. Lewis was the face of the Ravens and was a huge force in the NFL so he was protected. Rice is not and was made a example because of this new "Policy" that was put into place. If there was no policy, Rice would still be wearing a Ravens uniform on Sunday.

The OP said that hitting a woman once will be the end of your problems once and for all.

Well, the OP is wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. If the woman calls the cops on you, you will go to jail and be prosecuted under the legal system for assualt and battery.

My friend had a mess on his hands when he tried to prevent his cheating wife from hitting him. He ended up going to jail, losing the rights to see his kids, and lost his job because of it. She accused him of being a "monster" after he was serving our country as a Marine coming home to find her fvcking another dude.

He was just protecting himself and had to go through that sh1t. Imagine if he socked her or beat her up like Danger talks about "Retaliation".

My friend and cousin are both cops, they arrest people all the time for battery and they know what the deal is.

You guys aren't celebrities or athletes with High Priced lawyers to get you off the hook. You have no status that gives you special treatment. You will be a regular guy who beat a woman and will be prosecuted for it.

Fatal Jay said:

Jay-Z got laughed at for getting beat on by Solange....Ray rice get crucified for fighting his fiancé back

you guys are getting played like fiddles.

Mel Gibson,josh brolin,christian bale(beat his mama ass)mickey rourke, gary busey,vanilla ice,tommy lee, Charlie sheen, sean penn, Nicolas cage, steven seagel, all these dudes have beat their girlfriends and wives

so why is this such a huge topic??????????

Why is Ray rice the poster child of domestic violence?

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Because, this is the first big incident of the "NFL Domestic Violence Policy". That's why. Of course it's going to be talked about and get lots of coverage. Why do you think it wouldn't?

Why does the media fixate on any one story that they do? They want Entertainment ratings so you watch TV and listen to Sports Talk Radio Shows.

Why does the Conservative Media attack Liberals? To get people to listen.

Why does the Liberal Media attack Conservatives? To get people to listen.

It's all spin for Entertainment Value. Talking heads giving their biased opinions in which people eat up as the truth. Then they believe that garbage and start spouting off their nonsense.

What happened to all those celebrities who were in a Domestic Violence altercation? Nothing, they all got off the hook. The average dude will be in jail just like I said before. Then Danger talks about "Retaliation". When you have no power or status, you will be in jail.

It's stupid to be focusing on this story, it shouldn't even matter. You have the video and the legal process as well as the NFL to make their decision.

The NFL Domestic Violence Policy was just a PR move like I said it was.

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It's only gaylan and that rascal kid who seem to be having mini meltdowns over it for whatever reason known only to them. Perhaps your ire should be directed at those two morons eh?

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Mini Meltdown? Why are you making things up for?

Nice lame hit and run attack by you.

I've never spoke about this case at all until I made a point about it above.

I posted about the policy being a PR Move for the NFL and corrected the posters for jumping to conclusions about it being "Liberal" and "Feminist" like they claimed.

Quit making sh1t up because you are wrong. :yes:

zekko said:

But that still leaves the question of what should be done about women who initiate an assault?

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Well, women want equality don't they? So, they should be held accountable for their actions under equal treatment of the law.

If she hits you, call the cops, let her have to deal with the system. At least your hands are clean and won't have to go through a biased system against you.

She is a low quality woman and you shouldn't have to deal with her or go through the system for no reason.

Also, there are some big women out there who can inflict punishment on a skinny weak man. So, trying to claim that all women are weak is just not correct.

I was going to a game with my friends and this big woman about 250 pounds started hitting a cop. She was overpowering him and it took 3 cops to get her down and cuffed.

It's your choice what you want to do in defense, but just know when you get arrested for battery against a woman, the courts won't go too easy on you especially if you get a Liberal Feminist judge on the case. She will throw the book at you and your retaliation effort will be muted when the woman gets you again.

Don't let that happen. It's always better to protect yourself than get screwed by a woman (and not in good way) along with a biased system that's not in your favor.:yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVxpE8Sk9Xo

Boom, this one worked. Watch the video^, not exactly 10's, but that's besides the point.