It really pisses me off the amount of abuse you have to endure to get laid

I banged the girl in the end, even got a bl0wjob with a vacuum swallow yet...

You have to give full power to your brain which is quite demanding at night in order to avoid all potential mistakes that can burn you, then you have to embrace a buddha mind and prepare yourself to approach random girls thus giving them the power to reject you to masturbate their ego regardless of your human dignity.

Anyway lets say the approach goes good, she gives you "audience" and you have to do your best while you compete with dozens of other men, she is interested but at the same time she still likes the attention she gets from the other men and the power she has over you so it begins with the tricks of "let me get a drink" and you see her flirting with 5 other guys while you are stressed out waiting cause you dont know if she is coming back and you are wasting precious time, then comes her friend she has to say hi, an hi to the bouncer as well since he let her in for free.

Then again she gives you the privilege or hearing her boring stories while you have to force yourself not to think about something else because failure to follow that bull**** may cost you the notch...you go for the kiss and she turns away, you try again and she turns away again in front of other people pretty much burning your chances with other girls which saw it, you get pissed off an leave but then she finally gets that its too much and let you escalate.

After many more frustrations like being forced to dance till 5am despite she decided from 3am that you're gonna have sex, you finally leave the club and go home not without her complaining about the taxi which is taking too long to arrive and threating to call her friend to pick her up...anyway then at home the bang happens, sometime is good other times you are so tired and frustrated from all the work that after a couple of thrusts you just let it go, the real liberation is hard to say which one was if to release sexual tension or mental one.

The whole time concerned about her friends c0ckblock you which you have to negotiate with as you would with sick people with hostages, some bouncer or cool guy trying to amog you or her hamster simply turning in the wrong direction.

Diary from an average gifted guy. /rant off

Who Dares Win said:

After many more frustrations like being forced to dance till 5am despite she decided from 3am that you're gonna have sex, you finally leave the club and go home not without her complaining about the taxi which is taking too long to arrive and threating to call her friend to pick her up

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:yes:

Heh, the dreaded taxi wait. The dead zone when you're so close but so far away and bringing out the unicycle and clown nose is not out of the question.

Good stuff WDW

Exactly.

If you're not a 8+ prepare to have a very sad dating life. You either have to go for fatties or put up with a decent looking woman treating you like scum.

To be honest I'm starting to think that gaming women isn't worth it.

Most guys go to the gym for one reason: to get women. That's borderline pathetic in my mind.

I'm starting to get tired of all the pandering and bs that men have to go through to get laid. Women don't need to change themselves at all to get guys to hit on them.

skinnyguy said:

Exactly.

If you're not a 8+ prepare to have a very sad dating life. You either have to go for fatties or put up with a decent looking woman treating you like scum.

To be honest I'm starting to think that gaming women isn't worth it.

Most guys go to the gym for one reason: to get women. That's borderline pathetic in my mind.

I'm starting to get tired of all the pandering and bs that men have to go through to get laid. Women don't need to change themselves at all to get guys to hit on them.

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Sounds pretty defeatist man. Good looking fellas have crappy nights too.

skinnyguy said:

Exactly.

If you're not a 8+ prepare to have a very sad dating life. You either have to go for fatties or put up with a decent looking woman treating you like scum.

To be honest I'm starting to think that gaming women isn't worth it.

Most guys go to the gym for one reason: to get women. That's borderline pathetic in my mind.

I'm starting to get tired of all the pandering and bs that men have to go through to get laid. Women don't need to change themselves at all to get guys to hit on them.

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I'm a 7. I've slept with over 30 women. I've had LTRs and I've had long-ish dating relationships. With perhaps an aberration or two, they have all been very attractive at a minimum, porn star hot at maximum, and have generally treated me with respect. Oh, and there has not been a single fattie.

At what point, skinnyguy, will you finally start to consider that your attitude is the problem?

TheCWord said:

I'm a 7. I've slept with over 30 women. I've had LTRs and I've had long-ish dating relationships. With perhaps an aberration or two, they have all been very attractive at a minimum, porn star hot at maximum, and have generally treated me with respect. Oh, and there has not been a single fattie.

At what point, skinnyguy, will you finally start to consider that your attitude is the problem?

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Fair enough but my attitude has been based on results.

If you had my results, you'd be done as well. Because you've had positive results, you're as peppy as a cheerleader. Another thing is that you're white and have a huge advantage over me.

A lot of girls write on their online dating profiles "no Indian guys". How would that make you feel if you were Indian?

So yes, I'm not going to pursue women the way I used to because I respect myself too much to take their bad behavior. If a woman treats you bad, she gets a free pass. If a man treats a woman bad, he has to pay for it usually through alimony.

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.

I also refuse to play the numbers game because it lowers your status and women can see right through that.

skinnyguy said:

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.
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I do not think you are a genuine guy, skinnyguy.

Genuine guys do things for the community and treat others with respect without demanding the world give them something back in return.

If you're such a "great" person, how come you are running down a girl for going to community college? Why are you so concerned about lowering your status?

A real great person never has to say they are a great person. It is a very common frustration of the terminal "nice guy" that he does so many nice things and treats people so well and yet nobody has backed up that truckload of pus$y he feels he deserves.

It is not being a nice guy when you do nice things and then get angry at people for not realizing how nice you are. That is manipulation, people don't fall for it, and girls are not attracted to it - regardless of your skin color.

skinnyguy said:

Fair enough but my attitude has been based on results.

If you had my results, you'd be done as well. Because you've had positive results, you're as peppy as a cheerleader. Another thing is that you're white and have a huge advantage over me.

A lot of girls write on their online dating profiles "no Indian guys". How would that make you feel if you were Indian?

So yes, I'm not going to pursue women the way I used to because I respect myself too much to take their bad behavior. If a woman treats you bad, she gets a free pass. If a man treats a woman bad, he has to pay for it usually through alimony.

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.

I also refuse to play the numbers game because it lowers your status and women can see right through that.

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Thing is you immediately buy into their frame by falling for the "no Indian guys" test. It comes across in your approaching and talking to them. It's always something different for most men for why they can't **** girls. I'm not tall enough, I'm not rich enough, I'm not alpha enough. It's a story guys tell themselves and it comes across in how they talk to women. If they just talked to women confidently and took some risks they would get places. Most men don't do that and would rather be right about why they can't get laid and feel sorry for themselves. It's because they are so used to it. It's not just about getting ripped in the gym. It's having confidence in yourself. You have to start somewhere.

Maybe the hardest time to get ***** is when your in a dry spell. Because you crave it the most and will not be able to relax and be a chill guy that makes it easier for a women to want to sleep with you. Women tend to give it away to guys who don't care so much about it. Guys who get laid are relaxed and sexual at the same time. They know that if this one girl isn't DTF then the next girl will be. What most guys do when a girl doesn't like them: "I knew it!" "I suck!" "Women only like this ...."

Truth is a lot of women are DTF if you are a chill sexual guy. Because a lot of women are horny too. They just want to have sex with a guy who's not going to bother her and be weird about sex and validation. If you can just relax and be sexual you will bag some hot girls. And if you **** her really good she will want you as a **** buddy. So while you don't have control over who is DTF, you do have control over how you think about all of this. Which is key to be being able to find a girl who is DTF.

See a girl who is DTF might not be able to be detectable by you. We men are not good at reading women. But men who are good with women know 2 things: one it's not about what women say but what they do. They also know it's about how they feel about themselves. And if they feel good about themselves they know that a women would love to have sex with them. And because of this they will be able to relax, approach, and be sexual with a women. Most men don't do this. What most men do is they approach from a place that says approve of me, please **** me. It's that vibe that scares women away. Instead they should be thinking I'm awesome and life is awesome no matter if some girl wants to **** me or doesn't. But I'm gonna approach a women anyways and have fun with it. I'm comfortable with my sexuality and sex is not a big deal. It's something people do when they are horny and are turned on.

TheCWord said:

I do not think you are a genuine guy, skinnyguy.

Genuine guys do things for the community and treat others with respect without demanding the world give them something back in return.

If you're such a "great" person, how come you are running down a girl for going to community college? Why are you so concerned about lowering your status?

A real great person never has to say they are a great person. It is a very common frustration of the terminal "nice guy" that he does so many nice things and treats people so well and yet nobody has backed up that truckload of pus$y he feels he deserves.

It is not being a nice guy when you do nice things and then get angry at people for not realizing how nice you are. That is manipulation, people don't fall for it, and girls are not attracted to it - regardless of your skin color.

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Yes I am a nice guy and proud of it. I'm not going to become a dbag just to please women because that's the ultimate form of pedestalization.

I won't change my clothes or haircut either because if a woman doesn't like me for who I am then it won't work anyway.

Ok, maybe I'm not A genuine guy. But by your logic, wouldn't that make me a pvssy slayer? I don't get it.

I wasted my 20's chasing after blonde slvts and failed hard. I'm just glad I woke up and stopped wasting my time over Instagram bimbos.

Skinny guy is there a particular tradition in india which push you to derail threads into trial on yourself?

Maybe thats because those girls write "no indians" in their profile?

skinnyguy said:

Fair enough but my attitude has been based on results.

If you had my results, you'd be done as well. Because you've had positive results, you're as peppy as a cheerleader. Another thing is that you're white and have a huge advantage over me.

A lot of girls write on their online dating profiles "no Indian guys". How would that make you feel if you were Indian?

So yes, I'm not going to pursue women the way I used to because I respect myself too much to take their bad behavior. If a woman treats you bad, she gets a free pass. If a man treats a woman bad, he has to pay for it usually through alimony.

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.

I also refuse to play the numbers game because it lowers your status and women can see right through that.

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You lack mental toughness from what I read into it. I was horrible at dating...had no dates in high school, was scared to death to approach a woman in college even though by that time I was in good shape and got hit on quite a bit, and was horrible with women til I got into my early 30's.

Excuses are monuments of nothingness that no mentally strong person would ever use in their life in any field.

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You lack mental toughness from what I read into it. I was horrible at dating...had no dates in high school, was scared to death to approach a woman in college even though by that time I was in good shape and got hit on quite a bit, and was horrible with women til I got into my early 30's.

Excuses are monuments of nothingness that no mentally strong person would ever use in their life in any field.

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I'm thinking about not dating anyway because it involves spending money. Not to mention most women are toxic - BPD, has a crazy ex, has a kid, racist, AW, etc. The women that I actually like are all taken. Dating was WAY better when I was 20 because they didn't have the emotional baggage. I still try to pick up 20-24 year olds and have some success but most of them are very short term.

Some random thoughts triggered by this thread and a slight overdose of Geritol:

I have a theory that the well-adjusted females, as few in number that they are (less than 2%) are snatched up early in life and essentially have reasonably happy and stable marriages. Out of the remaining 98%, all of whom are adversely affected by the media, a large portion become married, grow to despise their "nice guy" husbands, divorce, and the cycle continues.

Another portion of these stay single, ride the c carousel, and eventually settle down later with a beta provider. The disdain/divorce/remarriage cycle then starts.

The rest stay single up into middle age and beyond. There is no hope for these as they become so set in their ways that now man can ever be "good enough" for them. Many become extremely masculine, and by this time they have created a life where other things have taken the place of the desire for a man (pets, hobbies, social circles, careers, etc.) Still they think they "should" be looking for a mate so they half-heartedly hang out on Internet dating sites.

The entire pool of 98% are divorced from reality and cannot transcend the group-think of their chosen heard. It is literally 100% impossible for them to think apart from the heard that has adopted them.

This is why women are "never wrong" and why they need plausible deniability for every breath they take. They have become 100% reactors and spokeswomen for the herd. They are trapped inside this prison and they have no desire to escape a prison that they are not even aware exists.

The reason we have so much trouble finding quality women is that the pool of quality, well-adjusted women is made up of that 2% who are recognized for what they are and are consequently married at an early age.

Women today, as a whole, are destroyed. The hoops that we have to jump through in order to even relate to them would seem unimaginably bizarre to any man as early as 50 years ago. No one imagined it would get this bad. But men have abdicated their leadership and the constraints that women so desperately need have been removed. Hence their collective dissipation into classless, clueless and often heartless monsters. This pile of trash used to be the 2%, but the ratio has reversed and the 2% are now the quality ones.

On being a "nice guy"... "Niceness", by its very nature, is despised because it is manipulative and transactional intrinsically. Excessive niceness is an advertisement that a man is willing to trade his self-respect for either pvssy or social acceptance. I used to be guilty of it myself for I didn't know any better until I arrived here.

A man must develop himself in an "I come first" frame, not out of megalomania but rather out of a desire to help others because he is becoming the best and strongest man he can be. It is similar to what they say in an airliner if there's an emergency... Adults are to put on their oxygen mask before assisting the child with theirs. If the adult dies, the child dies.

A man cannot help others in an unselfish and non-manipulative way until he develops a soul of iron and the attitude of a king

A man's respect is generated by one concept: Poise. I'm working on an in-depth essay on the concept of poise, because I believe this is the key concept from which all else in life flows. Poise encompasses self-control, emotional stability, strength, confidence, and leadership qualities.

Both men and women react positively to a man of poise. Note that the attributes of masculine poise are completely the opposite of intrinsic female attributes. Women are attracted to men of poise because they crave that which they lack.

There is definitely a such thing as female poise, a quality that has been eroded away in the 98%. Female poise conveys a degree of self-control, respect (a concept that is TOTALLY absent in them today), gentleness, and you guys know the rest. These are immensely desirable and rare traits, traits that we men hunger for but cannot find except in the upper echelon 2%.

In summary, we have been forced to mold ourselves into a dancing monkey template in order to get the attention of today's modern women. In large part, we must mold ourselves into the likeness of television and movie characters instead of authentic, self-determined men that the 2% value.

I am becoming increasingly aware that I will pay any price to be a man of poise, because when I become that I will become a man of value in my own eyes. In the process of becoming a man of poise, I am choosing a life of less universal appeal but greater appeal to the upper echelon of humanity, the tiny percentage of humanity who value quality of character over societally-defined charisma. To pursue societally-defined charisma is to be diminished in value in my own eyes and in the eyes of others. It is to become common.

Rise above, gentlemen.

Regarding working out, the OP makes the mistake of thinking we do it only to attract women. Not so... We do it first as a gift to ourselves, and then secondarily to attract women, but thirdly to garner the respect of other men. Men always assign a higher level of value to a man who is in shape. There exists a very definite diminishing return on this however. Muscle-bound is far less attractive than fit and muscular. For me this is the sweet spot, and most definitely when I am in shape, the world defers to me much more readily, male and female alike. And I go throughout the day feeling good about myself because at age 57 I move around like and have the body language of a 25 year old.

I'm all over the place in this post but as you guys know it is my habit to occasionally do a brain dump here for what it's worth.

Take away one thing from this post: Poise is everything. Become a man of poise and you will not only garner the respect of others but will garner authentic respect for yourself, something that is quite apart from an inflated ego. It is an honest, fair and positive valuation.

Brief synopsis of my game: I DON'T GIVE A F*CK!

When I go out, which is often these days, I NEVER go out without the mentality of "I have to get laid tonight". In fact my only goal is to have fun, in any way. I can have fun BSing with my boys, chatting about sports, music, talking to interesting characters, meeting new people, and of course gaming women but it's never my first priority.

I'm a 7 (maybe higher to some women) but I can make people laugh like nobodys business. I'm sarcastic, I talk sh*t (never in a mean spirited way), I take em down a peg. I DON'T give them all the power because at the end of the day they have none anyway.

Honey, I just came to have a drink with my boys, you're simply a bonus.

Do I get laid every night, hell no but when I do I never have to jump through those hoops, I can take it or leave it. Being detached is a blessing. In fact now I don't even ask for their numbers, I just try to close it then and there. If I don't what's the likelihood of reigniting the drunken connection a week later? In my experience it's a pretty slim chance.

So Skinny I challenge you: go out tonight, Halloween, night of the drunken slut, and forget about women. Forget about openers, forget about negs, forget about all the PUA BS that's in your mind and simply be you. A badass Indian dude who loves to have fun. Throw down a few shots and smile you bastard!!! :rockon:

TheCWord said:

A real great person never has to say they are a great person. It is a very common frustration of the terminal "nice guy" that he does so many nice things and treats people so well and yet nobody has backed up that truckload of pus$y he feels he deserves.

It is not being a nice guy when you do nice things and then get angry at people for not realizing how nice you are. That is manipulation, people don't fall for it, and girls are not attracted to it - regardless of your skin color.

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That's called a covert contract... Women smell it a mile away(a great example is giving a back rub and expecting sex because you gave a back rub then getting all huffy because it didn't pan out the way you expected it to). You be nice and do good things because it is part of who you are.. Not because you expect something in return.

Epi

If you guys would stop chasing and trying to "boost" interest in Low-Medium interested women... And only choose the ones with HIGH interests... Your dating life will be more successful!!! On the other hand, there are good girls out there who arent Hor's! They may be "harder" to lay, but their the ones who are relationship material.

Good Luck!

skinnyguy said:

Fair enough but my attitude has been based on results.

If you had my results, you'd be done as well. Because you've had positive results, you're as peppy as a cheerleader. Another thing is that you're white and have a huge advantage over me.

A lot of girls write on their online dating profiles "no Indian guys". How would that make you feel if you were Indian?

So yes, I'm not going to pursue women the way I used to because I respect myself too much to take their bad behavior. If a woman treats you bad, she gets a free pass. If a man treats a woman bad, he has to pay for it usually through alimony.

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.

I also refuse to play the numbers game because it lowers your status and women can see right through that.

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You're not entitled to anything dude. Basic rule of human nature that seems to be ignored. If you are tired of putting in so much work in getting laid in the US, either change your defeatist attitude and focus on anything that you find enjoyable or move away from the US.

You have to charge it to the game, brother.

I can understand your (and most other guy's) frustration, but it would probably help you feel a lot better about the world of women by making a minor change to your mindset.

You totally glossed over the most important part of your whole post, this...

Who Dares Win said:

then you have to embrace a buddha mind and prepare yourself to approach random girls

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Sure, girls are generally the ones doing the shooting down, but you...and let me repeat that, YOU... are the one who decides whether or not she even gets approached.
You are the one who decides whether or not she even has the opportunity to join your game, and you can withdraw that invitation at any time.

I'm not naive enough to think that either men or women should have all the power in this, but hopefully you'll realise that we are not totally subject to the whims of stupid little girls with entitlement issues.

Now, could you go and have fun please?

skinnyguy said:

Fair enough but my attitude has been based on results.

If you had my results, you'd be done as well. Because you've had positive results, you're as peppy as a cheerleader. Another thing is that you're white and have a huge advantage over me.

A lot of girls write on their online dating profiles "no Indian guys". How would that make you feel if you were Indian?

So yes, I'm not going to pursue women the way I used to because I respect myself too much to take their bad behavior. If a woman treats you bad, she gets a free pass. If a man treats a woman bad, he has to pay for it usually through alimony.

I'm a genuine guy who deserves to be treated well. I do so much for the community and treat others with respect. I'm not going to let some 25 year old girl in community college lower my status because I know how great of a person I am.

I also refuse to play the numbers game because it lowers your status and women can see right through that.

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Stop being dishonest SkinnyJeans. What's your agenda? Let's get real. I'd be willing to bet any dude who's done online dating for years (I've done it a few) has rarely if ever seen chicks writing "No Indian Guys" on their profiles. "No Black Guys" there's been a few who've written that. Sorry but you're just not that important to try to convince dudes that "so many chicks write no indian guys on their profiles". GTFO

You are simply trying to BS dudes into believing that "A lot of girls write No Indian guys" on their profiles to justify your own unwillingness to take accountabilty for yourself.

I've talked to MANY chicks who use online dating and I've never even HEARD one say to me they get hit up by "Indian guys" or "I don't want any Indian guys". Not ONE. And I've NEVER seen it on any chicks profile.

You are simply making sh1t up.