For those of you who think ONLY looks, money, and status matter you couldn't be more wrong.

Now you should if you plan on increasing your chances wit hbetter looking chicks you need to always groom and dress your best (as is appropriate at the time. Meaning you're not going to be wearing a full suit everywhere you go.)

You SHOULD be working out to at least have a swimmers build with defined abs etc.

You SHOULD be making and saving your money for yourself (as well as spending wisely) to not only build up good credit, but also be debt free by paying your bills, and building YOUR empire.

You should work on improving your status by building as solid a social circle as you can with good people as well as becoming truly confident, not arrogant, by knowing where you came from, where you're at, and where you plan to be in the future and not needing others (chicks, social circle) to give you that "confidence".

For those who claim only looks, money, status matter though you are still wrong. Because you need more than just that. If you come from a mentality where only looks, money, status matters to chicks it's obvious you are only looking at the world from a sort of outsiders view and aren't really getting to know these same chicks you pedestalize by claiming that's all they want.

Because if you at this point in time were made by a genie to be a perfect 10 male model though you'd get chicks on your 10 looks "maybe" you'd lose them quick IF you got them at all.

Why? Because those same chicks you say only want a perfect 10 male model could also STILL find more perfect 10 male models elsewhere. If they found you like you say they only want...they'd find someone just as good looking with more money/ status/ personality etc. than you. You'd be the perfect 10 male model in looks but would have a sh1t mentality to those same chicks only "liking" you for your perfect 10 looks then leaving you for someone just as good looking with more qualities.

The same with you being rich, same with status.

So you need to work on your INNER self as well as your outer to be the best you can be.

Just because a dude you think has "perfect 10" looks, money, status doesn't mean there isn't better dudes (with those same three qualities and more) out there and doesn't mean if you were that person who had those three qualities that you'd be guaranteed to have the chick you really fell for STILL only want you.

In closing. If you are stuck on thinking only looks, money, status matters and nothing else to chicks... you if given those qualities with your mentality and pedestalizing of the same chicks who you claim only want those three things are simply objects to one another. And if you see them ONLY as objects who want you only for those three qualities and you to use them for their only quality of how good they look, your either going to be in one fvcked up "relationship" after another with your mentality and wind up losing chick after chick as well as your looks to stress, or possibly even offing yourself with your own money from depression, then where would your "Status" be?

Again. Work on your inner self as well as your outer. Period.

Truth....inner self beats all...basically you can fake stuff with your exterior stuff and success but your inner self is all that really matters when the chips fall on the table and as far as making you truly unique....your inner self and strength trumps all....

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Truth....inner self beats all...basically you can fake stuff with your exterior stuff and success but your inner self is all that really matters when the chips fall on the table and as far as making you truly unique....your inner self and strength trumps all....

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You have to work on inner and outer and not need anyone to "complete" you as if you were broken to begin with.

It's amazing how dudes pedestalize women period claiming that all they all want is looks, money, status.

If that's the case. Go outside your house for once. There's millions upon millions of chicks who may "want" a man with "looks, money,status" but all those same chicks STILL haven't qualified for that man themselves.

And even if they DID qualify for that type of man who's to say he couldn't and wouldn't find an even better chick with those three qualities he possesses, who likes him for more than just that?

Doesn't everyone always say chicks say one thing but mean the other? Doesn't everyone say not to believe chicks? Doesn't everyone say chicks don't know what they want? Yet dudes on here still insist those three things are all they want. It's nothing more than ointment for the chafed azz of dudes who'd rather sit online complaining while doing ZERO to improve their inner and outer self other than just typing their warped pvzzy pedestalizing views to random strangers.

What these "seduction" sites have become is nothing more than dudes complaining and trolling to bring others down with their pessimistic nonsense because misery loves company. And even moreso when they have no plans of ever improving themselves in real life but like to just read what they've posted.

djjizzyfeff - AKA NN, you are so full of sh!t.

You are preaching PUA agenda once again. You can never get your foot in the door if it weren't for looks and social status. Money =/= pvssy...no matter how many women's shoes you shine.

Men that have wealth, rarely think about women. They are obsessed with getting richer. Does wealth overcome their shortcomings in appearance? Of course. Do they bang hotter chicks than your average stud? Yes.

I can guarantee you that most men, even the highly advance DJ's, continue to think about their next lay. All good to them. It's either women or money. Pick one. You can never be successful in both.
Men that go after money wake up in the morning and see how they can get richer. They do not give a sh!t about women, hell, they can hire a hotter women than most of us can imagine banging in our entire lives.

Most men these days are so fvcking desperate for some sort of intimacy and lose track of that they are and want to be. If you are chasing tail, you aren't making money. It is that simple. Ask a billionaire what he thinks about when he wakes up. His answer will be - how do I make the most out of my assets right now? Ask most members on this board - How can I get laid tonight?

BeginningDJ said:

djjizzyfeff - AKA NN, you are so full of sh!t.

You are preaching PUA agenda once again. You can never get your foot in the door if it weren't for looks and social status. Money =/= pvssy...no matter how many women's shoes you shine.

Men that have wealth, rarely think about women. They are obsessed with getting richer. Does wealth overcome their shortcomings in appearance? Of course. Do they bang hotter chicks than your average stud? Yes.

I can guarantee you that most men, even the highly advance DJ's, continue to think about their next lay. All good to them. It's either women or money. Pick one. You can never be successful in both.
Men that go after money wake up in the morning and see how they can get richer. They do not give a sh!t about women, hell, they can hire a hotter women than most of us can imagine banging in our entire lives.

Most men these days are so fvcking desperate for some sort of intimacy and lose track of that they are and want to be. If you are chasing tail, you aren't making money. It is that simple. Ask a billionaire what he thinks about when he wakes up. His answer will be - how do I make the most out of my assets right now? Ask most members on this board - How can I get laid tonight?

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Working on your inner self rather than crying about how only "looks,money, status" gets chicks is "PUA" agenda? LMAO.

You need a solid inner core besides improving your looks, and building your wealth to up your status.

The same dudes who claim only "LMS" matters are speaking half truths. Who doesn't go for someone they think is good looking? Who doesn't care about money? You need it. I need it. We all do. Who wants to live low status in sh1t? No one. But you need to have a solid inner core for the most part.

Look at how many rich, successful, high status/athletes etc. who may've come from nothing and get a contract, or built up their empire, or won the lotto, or are just rich and good looking and have always had things handed to them etc. and meet these "perfect 10s" (and hell even prostitutes) and get RAPED financially, and are plastered all over the papers while more of these pedestalized chicks line up out of the spotlight to be the next to get their hands on some cash while they still run after better looking high status males.

You can't tell me that all these dudes aren't chumps. They have no real inner core or else they'd still get the best and never get USED like they do.

Some of them NEVER learn.

So much for not "pedestalizing" chicks when dudes are willing to throw everything away or build everything to have some objectified "perfect 10 complete them".

And yes. Shining women's shoes you really learn first hand no matter the race age etc. they all don't know what the hell they want no matter what they say. EVEN IF THEY GET IT.

Most icon figures get rich and successful by not giving a sh!t about women. Yeah, some may get raped financially, that's the risk of investment. If you had all the money you could need for the rest of your life, wouldn't you want someone to share your life with...even if it is the greatest risk you will ever take?

BeginningDJ said:

Most icon figures get rich and successful by not giving a sh!t about women. Yeah, some may get raped financially, that's the risk of investment. If you had all the money you could need for the rest of your life, wouldn't you want someone to share your life with...even if it is the greatest risk you will ever take?

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the problem is a lot of people get rich by some kind of chance....contract, viral youtube video, lottery...etc. and its becoming more and more common.

the problem with that kind of getting rich by some kind of chance or luck is these people didnt build the character neccessary to get rich and handle it. its why lottery winners go broke within 5 years. you dont give a poor person millions and not expect them to go poor within a short period of time.

the same principle applies here. they get rich. they think this attracts the women. it attracts a certain group of women aka the gold diggers end up outnumbering the non golder diggers by a large margin. they get them to marry. said person goes poor and the wife leaves him if she doesnt leave him first in what al bundy calls a "drive by marriage".

if these people had developed the character of say someone like bill gates who crawled to the top through hard work they would stay rich. but they didnt. they woke up overnight and got rich. its why hollywood is full of broken down stars. its why so many child actors break down when they become adults. life basically took and irresponsible bum and said heres 10 million dollars dont blow it all in one place. its like giving a kid the keys to a candy shop and expecting there be candy in the morning.

I am not really in a position to talk because Im tripping hard over some ***** right now, and im a chump at the moment

but i will say when you look good, you feel good. and its easier to be an ******* when you look good.......when I was in amazing shape and on top of the world,...I was always of the belief that women wanted a man to come along and shower them with compliments and obey her every command. but the thing is, when a man like this does come along....she thinks he's a desperate piece of **** worthless ****. why? because deep down she knows shes a piece of ****. the most important thing to do is, always...act like a man. You should always feel comfortable with your masculinity at all times. this is easier said than done....very very few guys are like this 100% of the time (im sure as **** not)....but when I was, life was good for me. I rarely, rarely ****ed up...

but lets be real, .it can be hard to get back in this mindset, when you dont look like you used to...I was approached for male modeling all the time...I had 18.5 inch arms at 7% bf...i never had to work a day in my life to get women, so I never learned about game....now I feel like Im invisible to women lol and to top it off i have no game ......all i had to do was sit back and keep my ****ing mouth shut, and Id end up scoring...99% of the time it was game over...

good looking quiet jacked guy= mysterious
ugly fat quiet guy = creepy

so OP, yes I agree with most of the things you say, but at the end of the day looks play a large role. .... The good news for us average guys is, alot of women like to be the pretty one in the relationship...in fact I would say that the truly beautiful women (the 9's and 10's) are less superficial than the 7's and 8's..alot of beautiful women i would sleep with told me later on that they were intimidated by me.....so being average is not always bad thing.

captain55 said:

I am not really in a position to talk because Im tripping hard over some ***** right now, and im a chump at the moment

but i will say when you look good, you feel good. and its easier to be an ******* when you look good.......when I was in amazing shape and on top of the world,...I was always of the belief that women wanted a man to come along and shower them with compliments and obey her every command. but the thing is, when a man like this does come along....she thinks he's a desperate piece of **** worthless ****. why? because deep down she knows shes a piece of ****. the most important thing to do is, always...act like a man. You should always feel comfortable with your masculinity at all times. this is easier said than done....very very few guys are like this 100% of the time (im sure as **** not)....but when I was, life was good for me. I rarely, rarely ****ed up...

good looking quiet jacked guy= *****es thought i was mysterious
ugly quiet guy -= wierd creepy

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You must have been on a lot of juice if you had 18.5" arms @ 7% BF.

2 years ago - before I started caring about the way I look and game, I had random girls and guys laughing at me and actually looking down on me. I was frequently insulted because I was skinny.
Back then I had acne, was 6'3 150 lbs and dressed in XL shirts. I honestly thought I was ripped and muscular back then. My life consisted of playing WoW,

THEN I started doing some serious training and gaining weight. Now 2 years later I am hovering at 210 pounds with a relatively low BF. I had some insane noobgains. Now I have started wearing expensive clothes that are exactly my size, meaning you can see the muscle definition through the shirt. I also started getting accessories, bought 500$ sunglasses, got rid of my acne and got a natural tan (which is rare in Sweden). Upped my game a lot, since I became a member here I've spent 10 hours a week sucking in knowledge. Stopped watching p0rn, stopped playing games and removed every addictive thing except for SS. I'm gonna study medicine at the best university in Sweden next term.

All this after I was sitting up to 3 AM every night watching movies and playing games with no ambition. I had ****ty grades, no work, no money and was skinny like a twig.

Bottom line: the difference is mind-boggling. It's pretty much a reverse situation from where I was before - now I look down on every one else, especially these skinny/fat guys who have so much potential but waste it all on drinking every weekend like robots. Girls started approaching me more and I sense their 'gina tingling when they look at my body. Every time I'm in a room I carry myself with confidence and everyone knows I'm the most attractive guy there.

I'd say that looks matter A LOT more than your personality. I can attest to that through my changes. Sure, I changed my personality and all that - but these days I can see a lot of people who thinks I'm too good for them. They're wondering why I'm even talking to them. 2 years ago, the reverse was applied.

I went from being laughed at to being feared, all through changes in my looks.

Those things all really help. But most of us are average. All we can do is improve game while trying to improve in at least one of these other qualities.

These three things are all hooks. I'm sure there are others. Things like your humor, wit, swag, personality, savoir faire are all reels.

The reason I made the thread is because it's not just about looking your best, making money, and elevating your status (as best as you can) in life. It's about a solid foundation. Not some false confidence, need for validation from chicks who practically all use emotion for logic (if you need that type of validation good luck) or some ridiculous PUA nonsense.

If you took everyone on SS and made them all 10's in looks, all made the most money, all high status right now...and chicks had to choose..they'd go and end up with the dudes with the strongest inner core/self (unless you actually prefer chicks who could care less about your inner self).

Chick who ONLY go for looks, status, money aren't just going for ONE dude. Why would they do that when if they got that type they could get more and with a better personality than that dude? They'd spin plates at that level.

I'm not saying be broke, not care about your looks or try to have a good social status..but you need some sort of personality and solid inner core or those same chicks you wished for will still look for a dude with a better inner self regardless.

Hydrak said:

You must have been on a lot of juice if you had 18.5" arms @ 7% BF.

2 years ago - before I started caring about the way I look and game, I had random girls and guys laughing at me and actually looking down on me. I was frequently insulted because I was skinny.
Back then I had acne, was 6'3 150 lbs and dressed in XL shirts. I honestly thought I was ripped and muscular back then. My life consisted of playing WoW,

THEN I started doing some serious training and gaining weight. Now 2 years later I am hovering at 210 pounds with a relatively low BF. I had some insane noobgains. Now I have started wearing expensive clothes that are exactly my size, meaning you can see the muscle definition through the shirt. I also started getting accessories, bought 500$ sunglasses, got rid of my acne and got a natural tan (which is rare in Sweden). Upped my game a lot, since I became a member here I've spent 10 hours a week sucking in knowledge. Stopped watching p0rn, stopped playing games and removed every addictive thing except for SS. I'm gonna study medicine at the best university in Sweden next term.

All this after I was sitting up to 3 AM every night watching movies and playing games with no ambition. I had ****ty grades, no work, no money and was skinny like a twig.

Bottom line: the difference is mind-boggling. It's pretty much a reverse situation from where I was before - now I look down on every one else, especially these skinny/fat guys who have so much potential but waste it all on drinking every weekend like robots. Girls started approaching me more and I sense their 'gina tingling when they look at my body. Every time I'm in a room I carry myself with confidence and everyone knows I'm the most attractive guy there.

I'd say that looks matter A LOT more than your personality. I can attest to that through my changes. Sure, I changed my personality and all that - but these days I can see a lot of people who thinks I'm too good for them. They're wondering why I'm even talking to them. 2 years ago, the reverse was applied.

I went from being laughed at to being feared, all through changes in my looks.

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but hey look on the bright side your 6'3 and yes guys dont realize what an advantage it is when you look great. when I had arms like this.....I didn't even have to try. I banged 9's and 10's all the time and I was working as a doorman at a night club, I dont even have a college education dude and i was broke half the time
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girls in their early twenties are looking for a good looking well built guy. mid to late twenties is when status starts becoming more important. around 25 or so

Women care about getting their needs met. The man who can do that will be chosen.

Different women need different things at different times in their life. Culture, background and values also plays a role. Why do you think men as a group are so varied while women as a group are pretty much all the same?

To women.. men are like cities/towns. Different cities offer different things. A woman might need/want:

- Protection (safety)
- Status (novelty)
- Kids (with good genes)
- Resources (money)
- Security (loyalty / family)
- Connections (a green card)
- Great sex (pleasure)
- Companionship (bonding / validation)

So it just depends on the woman. But in the end.. all she cares about is --> Can you be utilized or NOT? Can you fill her needs or NOT?

Notice how many more attributes are necessary to keep a woman. They are in no particular order because they're all pretty important. I would argue though that alpha game and inner strength are a bit more important than the other three.

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No man should be concerned about keeping a woman. If you care about keeping a woman you are already in full blown beta territory.

fuzzball said:

the problem is a lot of people get rich by some kind of chance....contract, viral youtube video, lottery...etc. and its becoming more and more common.

the problem with that kind of getting rich by some kind of chance or luck is these people didnt build the character neccessary to get rich and handle it. its why lottery winners go broke within 5 years. you dont give a poor person millions and not expect them to go poor within a short period of time.

the same principle applies here. they get rich. they think this attracts the women. it attracts a certain group of women aka the gold diggers end up outnumbering the non golder diggers by a large margin. they get them to marry. said person goes poor and the wife leaves him if she doesnt leave him first in what al bundy calls a "drive by marriage".

if these people had developed the character of say someone like bill gates who crawled to the top through hard work they would stay rich. but they didnt. they woke up overnight and got rich. its why hollywood is full of broken down stars. its why so many child actors break down when they become adults. life basically took and irresponsible bum and said heres 10 million dollars dont blow it all in one place. its like giving a kid the keys to a candy shop and expecting there be candy in the morning.

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Correction. Most of the rich people you hear about in the media are from those category. Everyone else who got rich is too boring for the media to make a story out of. Getting rich still require hard work, smarts, and yes a little luck. All of those things are boring but necessary. I bet you don't hear a lot of stories about Bill Gates.

PlayHer Man said:

Women care about getting their needs met. The man who can do that will be chosen.

Different women need different things at different times in their life. Culture, background and values also plays a role. Why do you think men as a group are so varied while women as a group are pretty much all the same?

To women.. men are like cities/towns. Different cities offer different things. A woman might need/want:

- Protection (safety)
- Status (novelty)
- Kids (with good genes)
- Resources (money)
- Security (loyalty / family)
- Connections (a green card)
- Great sex (pleasure)
- Companionship (bonding / validation)

So it just depends on the woman. But in the end.. all she cares about is --> Can you be utilized or NOT? Can you fill her needs or NOT?



No man should be concerned about keeping a woman. If you care about keeping a woman you are already in full blown beta territory.

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I bolded the last part. beautiful Women fall in love with average and ugly looking men every single day....would you say that a superior emotional connection with a girl can override her not being as physically attracted to you as other men per say? I have seen so many beautiful women, even beautiful shallow superficial women, fall for guys purely based on the way they make them feel...whether it be a sense of humor or whatever.

PlayHer Man said:

Women care about getting their needs met. The man who can do that will be chosen.

Different women need different things at different times in their life. Culture, background and values also plays a role. Why do you think men as a group are so varied while women as a group are pretty much all the same?

To women.. men are like cities/towns. Different cities offer different things. A woman might need/want:

- Protection (safety)
- Status (novelty)
- Kids (with good genes)
- Resources (money)
- Security (loyalty / family)
- Connections (a green card)
- Great sex (pleasure)
- Companionship (bonding / validation)

So it just depends on the woman. But in the end.. all she cares about is --> Can you be utilized or NOT? Can you fill her needs or NOT?



No man should be concerned about keeping a woman. If you care about keeping a woman you are already in full blown beta territory.

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I agree. If a man is meeting a woman's needs then nothing else matters. He could be a billionaire with model looks or a fat homeless man but a woman is gonna stick around with whoever can meet her needs whatever they may be. Keep improving and live your life however you wanna live it. That's all that matters in this game.

PlayHer Man said:

Women care about getting their needs met. The man who can do that will be chosen.

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The man who APPEARS to be able to meet those needs will be chosen.

Actually meeting those needs is a totally differenty story, that is one which requires you to be her "caring 'friend' that satisfies her needs etc.etc.etc. (basically a unicorn to them)".

Bring the illusion and you will be able to bang if that is your goal.