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BBJ, you need to be emotionally detached to go for #3....But I bet my last dollar that you cannot do it....You want something more than just the *****....which was why you held back when you had the chance...coz deep down inside you know she will hurt you again....and play loser a second time...

You have said it yourself...she is a remnant of your past so very well just keep it that way! I had been through this **** too and I know that no matter how much evolution we have undergone, we are still cavemen in their eyes...Once loser, always loser....That is a fact and nothing can change...

Well JasonR, if it sounds all BS to you, why not you do it the opposite way then ?? Get out there and prove AD's logic wrong...A few dates and you'll be back to the board a whole lot wiser.... ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger... [This message has...

Hef, I couldn't agree more on your treasures...After all those **** I had been through, these rules have become my guiding principles in my dating life...I can call them my commandments!!! ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger...

AD...I couldn't agree more....The dating scene has evolved into a minefield over the years....Zap, the "Rules" were made not to make things difficult for us, but to protect our hearts! ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger...

Correction...Shrewdness of snakes but the innocence of doves...[b] ------------------ [b]Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger...

AD, how about a date every fortnight for the 1st month? Will it turn off an interested gal?

I like the way you put it AD....Baldie can finally be the "nice guy" hehehe! ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger...

Give yourself at least 3 weeks for this to blow over.....then you call her for a date...It would be great if she is the one who calls first...That way you know she no longer has any issue with the question you raised.....Making your call too soon will only give her pressure & drive her further...

Maybe AD's advice is easier to digest...I overlooked the fact that your relationship was "SOLID"...I interpreted that to mean she always say "YES" to your dates....But still I would advise you to take a break from all this before resuming any contact with her...Best if she is the one who...

Oops!...Sorry for overlooking that. Thanks for the reminder! ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only makes me stronger...

You only say it once....Since you are so sure she got the idea...Leave it as that...next time if she ever calls you up for anything else....just remind her that you are not going to do anything with her until you get your answer....& pls end the call after that...don't wait around for her to...

The guys were right...A guy never asks for exclusivity...Your gal will prompt you when she wants that from you...Never the other way round.....if you are damned sure she got your question, stop all contact with her immediately......Give yourself the cold-turkey treatment....You have already made...

Be it from a Jerk to "A Nice Guy" or from a Nice Guy to a "Jerk"....Ultimately, we, & that includes AD & you Devlar, want to treat our women in a "Nice Guy" way as well as to have the attitude of a "Jerk" to stand up to them if they give us any ****/crap...Can I have a show of hands here...

Devlar, to each his own...You have no problems doing it your way, fine....I am very comfortable doing it the AD way.....Ultimately, our goals converge.....to have a sweet honey for our life-companion....Good luck in your endeavours! ------------------ Marauder What that don't kill me only...

Devlar, with all due respect, I believe you are one of those very few gentlemen who knows where to draw the line between being nice & giving too much...good for you....however, there are many poor guys out there who do not have your kind of discipline, or rather the self-control over their...

Same here AD, no flowers...no nothing until at least 6-8 dates later...most probably I will just spend some pennies on a single rose to test whether the gal is a keeper or a taker....& well I guess for me, AD & TommyD...when a gal ask for our number or business card without giving theirs.....our...

Basic Training....I like this analogy...We all have to go thru the same **** before we can "outgrow" our Mr Nice Guy personality Smitty, these are not games, these are proven methods to check/increase women's interest levels in us and to weed out those flukes.....The frequency of their use...

Great post TommyD!...I am in the same camp as you & AD....& I dare say the dating world is hell of a jungle....Sad to say only those who are battle-scarred and seasoned would really know how to appreciate AD's experience

That's not old habits at work...that's your heart at work...going soft again for someone who has screwed you up before...I have been through it...I understand how that feeling sucks when you get screwed again!..You gotta be cruel to her to be kind to yourself!