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Will there ever be a real Men's Rights Movement?

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  1. betheman

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    there will never be a mens movement in terms of a socio political group promoting mens rights, nor do I think there should be, not that I dont think men shouldnt fight for there own inches, they should.
    men go to war en masse, they fight injustice en masse, they will defend their country en masse..but each other?
    a real man is supposed to be able to fight regardless the odds. I Dont need a mans movment, it would make me less of a man
     
  2. Boilermaker

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    Well maybe it is and you didn't get the memo?

    With every one of these short, snarky posts you are losing your once attainable ground. Now you are not the average common sense, but just an AW, following every one of these threads and b!tching about men b!tching.

    There's a certain element of irony in that don't you think?

    Rock on, brother.
     
  3. Danger

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    We don't have enough men to fill that role, especially with the mangina womynz defenders. *ahem*

    This is a forum for men and issues regarding women. I'm fairly certain that men's rights fall under that purview. If it makes you cry, well then that's just too bad.
     
  4. Solomon

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    If you are worried about feminsim look no further to see the what it has done to black women and black men that is your future, crying doesn't help me so what do i do? I hit the gym and lift brah

    :D
     
  5. backbreaker

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    Solomon's right (as usual). the thing is, and this isn't race bating or racism in the lesat bit, but beucase African Americans in the 70's and 80's were more single parent house holds than their Caucasian coutnerp arts, thus most African american women today were raised not only without 2 parents around, but are fully convinced they don't need a man, we kinda like have a 20 year year start on this whole feminism thing. i guess that's why people like me and warrior and Solomon think this is more funny than anything. lol my mother when i was what, 8 dated a man named clifford. cliffered was a baller lol. lived in the upscale part of town, made great money, had 2 story house, the entire top story was nothing but an entertainment center with a pool table and TV's and we would go spend days over there at a time. i would live up stairs by myself. **** was great lol. i would hook my sega up to his TV and just play pool. yeah my mom dumped him for having the nerve to suggest that she move in with him. lol and this was 1991.

    lol black women have been telling black men they aren't ****, weren't **** and never will be **** well before their Caucasian counterparts thought it was cool. black women have been using/abusing the legal system for decades to their advantage.


    The thing is, with people not getting married as much, with divorce going through the roof.. white families are being divided and now you have a llot more people in general who are born in non traditional homes. it's not a coincidence that i have had 4 real GF's as an adult and every last one came from a 2 parent home. they were easily the most sane/realistic of all the girls i've slept with/spun. Even the black amateur model i dated with the banging body, at the end of the day was quite traditional and very loyal and very much believed in a traditional house hold, beucase her parents have been married for 30 years.


    and we are here to tell you, it's not the end of the world. it's not the day after tomorrow. and you are going to run yourself ragged worried about everything. all you can do is screen, and be the best you that you can be and weed out the bull ****. Game is the key. i'll tell you the same thign my father told me growing up... all you can do is play the game. that's all at the end of the day you can do. make sure you don't put a ring on a skanks finger. make sure you don't knock up a hood rat and get taken by the system. keep your feet out of the fire at the end of the day is all you can, and really should, do.

    looking at our plight, even tells you the end game. we didn't need a black men's right movement. black women are the manosphere punch line /archetype of women who are too demanding and unrealistic and they all end up single. the only people who get got by black women are guys who want to get got. the only guy who was stupid enough to put a ring on my mom's finger (who is the ultimate alpha widow) was the beta male who bought into the church hype.. and we all know better. and in 2 years she had rented her own apartment to get away from him. my mom has dated a school distract superintendent, an engineer, a lawyer and a bishop of a church, and none of them were good enough for her independent ass lol, and this was all before AOL started sending those inertent disks in the mid 90's.

    at the end of the day you are going to do the exact same thing we did.. broaden our scope and weed out ignorant women/ dont' deal with the drama.
     
  6. Danger

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    Again from the top.

    This isn't about worrying. This is about informing others, because this is always new to someone.

    And backbreaker, you say this isn't new to black men and that you have endured it for however long. It seems obvious that this has affected black men enough that they prefer white women so that they don't have to deal with as much $hit from them.

    You can run away from men's rights, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to get fvked for simply having a penis.

    For some reason many of you have come to the conclusion that being for men's rights means that you have a hard time with women. That is a crock of $hit. Pro men's rights means that you don't want to be punished for having a y chromosome.

    Hell I get laid every night and if my woman decided she didn't want to be around any longer, I have no doubt I could replace her quickly. But that doesn't mean I'm going to sit here content and say "fvk the men's rights movement", because honestly, I still consider it heinous and I fight for what I believe in.

    If you are happy just having a woman to fvk then that's great for you. Some of us have more passion in our lives and are not afraid to fight for what we believe in.
     
  7. Who Dares Win

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    Many guys here make the same stupid assumption that feminists do, which is that any men into mens right movement is a loser who cant get laid.

    Well I got news for you, most of those are simply men who wants to see their own sons and daughter but they cant cause their ex wife, her manboob lawyer and some feminist judge is following some PC rule to deny them such.

    For what I recall fathers became so through banging so its not the case of the assumption, and well of course we would like to not being enslaved for having a Y chromosome as well but Im sure there are other priorities like buy the new iphone.
     
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    No man has ever accomplished anything worth mentioning on his own. You can't build a successful business without hiring employees; you can't become a president without getting the support of voters; and you sure as hell cannot win the battle against feminism by acting alone. Divided, we will be conquered.
     
  9. Bokanovsky

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    Your mom might be an exception to the rule, but most black women I know could not convince a man to marry them if their life depended on it (I'm not just talking about hood rats either; even professional middle class black women seem to have this problem). There is a reason why black men relentlessly chase after white pvssy, hispanic pvssy, asian pvssy, martian pvssy and just about any pvssy that isn't black...and it has nothing to do with feminism. Let's face it, the vast majority of black women are not very good looking (and the better-looking ones are usually half-breeds). It's not a politically correct thing to say, but everyone knows this. And that's the reason why black women have so much anger towards men...it sucks to be at the bottom of the totem pole.
     
  10. Bokanovsky

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    Exactly!
     
  11. Bokanovsky

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    yah. I'm gonna stop you right there. You're putting out your opinion as fact. None of what you wrote is factual.

    From what I can tell by guys like RooshV and others in the Manosphere, woman are like pokemon, gotta catch em all. Getting flags is part of the game no? Black men just left the reservation earlier and realized it's more out there than one demographic. Especially when that one demo is giving you shyt. Variety is the spice of life.
     
  13. backbreaker

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    The only people who get ****ed are the guys who don’t know how the game are played. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Italian, marshin. They don’t get ****ed over because they have a penis, they get ****ed over because they don’t have a brain

    You are the only one that has come to this conclusion. All I am saying is that you are wasting your time trying to protect all men because there will always be a segment of men who want to get got. There is nothing you can do to protect them because they don’t want to get protected. They want to believe in the fairy tale, they want to believe in love at first sight, they want to believe in all that sappy **** that comes along with it.

    The Sosuave/DJ community is a lot like AA in the sense that it’s a program of attraction not promotion. You can’t make guys feel **** they don’t want to feel or believe in things they don’t want to believe in. The only thing you can do, is the arm the guys who want to be armed with the right knowledge.

    I can take a drug addict to the worst parts of the worst cities on earth and show them all the most run down **** they can see and it won’t do a god damn thing until hey are ready to quit themselves. That’s all I am saying. It has nothing to do with rather it think you or others are or not getting laid. That’s some conception that you have developed in your own mind. No one thinks any less of you as far as your ass getting ability because you take up the movement. At least I don’t. I think there are some in your cause that are like that, but I don’t think as a whole the movement is built on non pvssy getting purposes.

    I’ve started 2 companies, I sold a company just so I can follow my passion of horse racing. I doubt there are many if any people who are more passionate about life than I am here. Just because I don’t spend every other post talking about men’s rights, doesn’t mean I don’t care about it. I just understand that you can’t make a guy swallow a pill he doesn’t want to swallow.

    ****, play the tape out. All the way out. Let’s say we tried to change the.. child support laws in America. We as a men’s group put this on the platform to be voted on by the American government. Let’s say the law was something that we all can agree on here… that.. a man must submit to a paternity test before being subjected to pay child support. Any child support that is collected under false pretenses would have to be refunded in full.

    Do you not understand that you would get more backlash from MEN, then you would from women? You can’t win a war that 3/5ths of your army doesn’t even want to fight. **** I can take you to a football forum right now that half the men on the forum, will call you a POS for not “stepping up to the plate and being a real man” for not taking care of the kid who “did nothing wrong to deserve to not have a father”. And you and everyone here knows I’m dead right. And more so than that, you know why I’m right I don’t have to explain that to you.

    Why are you wasting time trying to protect guys, who not only don’t want to be protected, they think it’s morally wrong for you to try to protect them. It’s like ****ing batman saving gotham city over and over again only for the people of the city to hate his guts for one reason or the other.

    That’s, why I don’t waste my time. Because these guys, they don’t’ want to be converted. My wife’s friend who is smoking hot who got a divorce from her husband of 10 plus years and is cleaning him out basically.. is already out doing the same **** again, got another girl he just met living with him. there is nothing I can do to him to protect him if he insists on keep putting his **** in a meat grinder. Lol why should I waste my time on “protecting” someone that ignorant. I got better **** to do honestly. If he wants to keep throwing his money and life away on this gold digging skanks there is nothing you or I or anyone else can do about it. If he wakes up and wants to get it, I will go out of my way to bring ihm here and to in general show him the error of his ways. But **** the man is 42 years old and still thinks “man I just haven’t found that special someone yet”. **** him and his sappy feelings. Or the guy whose wife I banged for a full moth to the point where she litearlly had moved in my house while being married, the guy after finding out she cheated on him (even got pregnant, though got an abortion) pleaded with her to come back home. She didn’t and he’s still “hurt” that she left him. this was 8 years ago lol. this mother****er will be at the picket line for the feminist.

    You make the assumption that everyone who hasn’t swallowed the red pill, knows that they are sick. That is the fundamental difference between you and I basically. You don’t’ say **** I don’t 100% agree with 9 out of 10 times. The only difference is that I understand or at least, assume that people who aren’t here don’t want our message. I am more concerned about making sure we all know the game than trying to make **** equal because **** will never be equal as long as we have this pussifed state that we are in now, and the problem is most men don’t’ even know they are pussiefed

    I’m not telling you anything rollo hasn’t preached on his blow.

    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/system-failure/

    She’s not a bad woman. Extremely (seriously not fake) religious , very intelligent, spotless credit, owns her own house, saves money, works out every day, she’s not about drama she’s just like backbreaker in that regard she has very little tolerate for drama. Her problem is her weakness is her greatest character. Trait. She raied herself out of the gutter by herself with no man. That’s her strength and that’s her weakness. She doesn’t know how/wont’ submit to a man. It’s not in her DNA. She won’t allow a man to run a house. She bucks and kicks at the stupidest ****. She gets pissed off when men expect her to cook 5-6 times a week. I mean one, she can’t cook lol, but moreso than that, she thinks that somehow cooking makes her less of a woman. But for the most part I have to agree with you.

    Though there are plenty good looking black women that I have to disagree with.
     
  14. Danger

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    Bull$hit.
    Bull$hit.
    Bull$hit.

    Tell that to the man who gets a false rape accusation.
    Tell that to the man who loses custody in a divorce (90% of the time)
    Tell that to the man who gets taken to court to increase child support payments every time he gets a pay raise.
    Tell that to every man who starts a business without a grant for being a woman.
    Tell that to every man who automatically gets taken to jail for being accused of Domestic Violence.


    You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.


    I want to protect me, my children and my brother's children. I don't want to be concerned that any moment a woman could slap a false rape accusation on me and I'm presumed guilty right from the start. I don't have to save every man to do that, I have to save the system. Sometimes when you save even one person, you end up saving the whole lot of them, whether they are thankful or not.


    Sure there are some who will use misandry as a crutch for not getting women. But that's a p1ss-poor reason to $hit on people who are trying to fix it so men are not second class citizens.


    You have your passions, I have mine. I don't $hit on your passions or attack you for them. If you want to gamble on horses, then go right ahead. I think it's foolish but I don't attack you for that.

    I expect the same respect in turn and even if you don't provide that, I won't back down. Because you are flat out wrong.

    Those are a great list of reasons for a quitter to latch on to. Personally, I won't bite on them. I don't care how many men would fight against it. Eventually there will be a Rosa Parks moment when a man stands up to the bull$hit and it will go to the Supreme Court. My job is to create as many potential Rosa Parks as possible. And that means getting the word out, whether it is here or any other place where men will listen.



    The same reason you feel compelled to "help the poor", or call white men arrogant. Because you want to protect someone or a group. I am entitled to that same right.

    You don't have to save every man, you only have to save the system.
     
  15. Jitterbug

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    Good analogy, because there were actually many black women (and men, but they never got counted) who did exactly what Rosa Parks did (a well-organised effort) but Rosa was chosen as the poster woman because she was the most wholesome of the lot.
     
  16. backbreaker

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    your civil rights analogy is a horrible one. the entire country, on a fundamental level, understood that something was not right about the way that minorities were treated in america. even the people that justified it, didn't' do so on morality grounds. They did it on economic grounds, on the grounds that the groundswell would be to much to handle, even on grounds as petty that it would change the political landscape of america (which was dead on) but they did not do it on the grounds that it was okay to treat men the way they are being treated


    however with this, the people who you are trying to create into rosa parks, are more happy being uncle tom (literally, the character in uncle tom's cabin, not figuratively). And if you are familar with the book, you know that Uncle Tom sided with the Slave owners, even when it made no logical or moral sense to do so. Uncle Tom sold out the cause just like men are more than happy so in 2012.

    You wno't get **** done, on a wholesale level, until men understand that they are in a matter of speaking, 2012 uncle tom's. rotfl. uncle mom's. that's what you are fighting against, a country chalk full of uncle mom's.

    i'm done with this. we will never see eye to eye on this issue. i just take offense that you degrade everyone who doesn't agree with you as thinking you don't get ***** and that's your sole reason for wanting to push the agenda. I just think it's a waste of time and resources.. you are basically playing captain save an AFC. i will tell you the same thing that i tell an aFC trying to save a hoe. you can't save an AFC. he can only save himself.
     
  17. Danger

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    And yet, when slaves were first being brought to the US, a great deal of the citizens in this country thought it was ok to enslave a man. Somehow, that changed.

    And yet, for the longest time, the majority considered it normal and fine that women had no rights. Somehow, that changed.


    There are more DJ's finding this site every day. Ask any of them here if they would rather be an Uncle Tom than a Rosa Parks.

    That's just another excuse to say "It's too hard".


    Then take offense. I take offense that you denigrate me and others when we point out the issues. If you don't like it, then don't read it. Trust me, we won't miss you.

    No matter how many times I try to explain it, you do not realize that Alphas are getting hurt by this $hit too. Or do you consider the whole Duke Lacrosse team a bunch of beta AFC's?

    Grow up and open your eyes. I asked this same question of you before when we butted heads on this, and you fled without answering it. So here it is again......Would you have the same attitude if blacks were still enslaved today? Would you say it's just too hard to free them?
     
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    that's the thing Danger. no one has degraded you. I hasven't said one ill will word towards you this entire post and for the most part have nothing but love for ya. point out one ill will word in this entire post towards you from me you c ant' do it.

    I simply laid out why I feel it's a waste of time. Adults can have a conversation without name calling. i never said your eyes were closed, i never told you to grow up, i never told you to do anything or called you anything. no one to the best of my knowledge has implied that you don't get ***** and that's why you take up the cause so vigorously. This is all stuff that you have said or implied that other people think. yet you tell me things like "we won't miss you".. while i assure you im' not going to bed at night worrying about if danger is going to miss me reading his posts, the entire chip on your shoulder is uncalled for. you are fighting invisible enemies. That, is honestly, what rubs most the wrong way, not the cause itself. You have way too much of a you are either for us or against us mentality. **** everyone here agrees with you.

    You have to understand that most people here, in their minds, have better **** to do. and you have to be okay with them thinking that, rather you think it's right or wrong is of no consequence, beucase at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. I mean **** there aren't any anti men guys on this forum lol. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams could not have possibly been any more different from a poltiical standpoint but they both understood at the end of the day, that the other person had the countries best interest in mind, they just didnt' see eye to eye on how to get there.

    What is important to you isn't AS imoprstant to others, and don't blast people to hell for not feeling the exact same way you do about something. but if you aren't militant about it like some are it's like **** you buddy. **** man no one is arguing wtih you on the substance of your message. but damn man, stop making people who aren't even pitching a fight against you, your bitter rivals. i have nothing against you. however just beucase i dont' have anything against you doesn't mean i can't express why i don't see eye to eye with you on something. And i dno't have to name call or mud sling to do such either.
     
  19. Boilermaker

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    oh man... who broke bb's little heart again?

    Danger, you pig! :nono:
     
  20. Danger

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    You called me captain save an AFC (which I find insulting), and others like Solomon are downright insulting. And honestly it doesn't stop with just you two.

    Bottom line, if you don't want to get involved, then why are you here in this thread?

    I'm not trying to make you a bitter rival, I'm trying to say that if you are not part of the fight, then get the fvk out of the thread. I have a purpose and you are trying to derail it. So yes I am going to push back. If you don't want a bitter rival on the men's rights issue, then stop making posts in them that it is a waste of time. It's that simple.

    I don't go into threads that I don't care about just to disagree with you, but that is exactly what you are doing here. If you do not care, then why are you in this thread disagreeing?
     
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