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Plate Theory

Discussion in 'The Hall of Excellence' started by Rollo Tomassi, Dec 6, 2005.

  1. God_of_getting_layed

    God_of_getting_layed Master Don Juan

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    My guess would be that this board is full of dumb @sses that get awed when a thread like this comes along. the IQ on this board is surprisingly not that high given the threads on posts Ive seen.
     
  2. djbr

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  3. bigjohnson

    bigjohnson Master Don Juan

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    Some real gems here:

    Bingo. It's not even really required to "spin plates" so much. What is needed is the assurance, the indelible certainty that you have options and that everyone involved realizes this. You choose, ideally you both CHOOSE, to be with each other.

    And it should never happen before the man is mature enough inside himself to maintain control of a monogamous relationship. If the man is unable to stay Captain of his own household disaster will ensue. I know this first hand.

    Staying on top in a monogamous relationship makes dating look like little league play.


    Again, pure genius to see this so clearly. It took me the better part of a decade to realize this; the sooner guys see and UNDERSTAND it the better. Spinning isn't about having multiple FBs, it's having available options. It's about proof that you are choosing to be with, not taking what life gives.
     
  4. penkitten

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  5. The Loacker

    The Loacker Senior Don Juan

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    I just started applying Plate Theory, and I have to say with all honesty that this is probably the best thing I've ever done in my entire life. The feeling of having options is addictive; the whole idea that you don't come from a necessitous emotional state is genius, and in fact the more options you have, the more attractive you become to women (through the unconscious changes in your behavior), the more women become attracted to you, and the more options you have. Once you get it started, it's hard to stop it.

    Wow, well done Rollo, you've honestly made my life so much better. If I didn't read this thread I wouldn't have thought to spin plates, I would have remained in the "sniper" mentality, which honestly is not the way to go. I am enlightened.
     
  6. Pathetik

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    This post is gold.

    It has just saved me from oneitis and AFC thoughts :up:
     
  7. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Master Don Juan

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    Glad you benefitted from it.
     
  8. The Bat

    The Bat Master Don Juan

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    I've always wondered, are most women naturally spinning plates without them realizing it?

    Or am I confusing their attention seeking behavior with their ability to spin plates?

    Personally, I've found lot of women have another prospect or two in the back burner in case their main one fails. And when they find out that I'm spinning plates, they act rather surprised and rebound back to the back burner prospect (since I told them they can leave because I won't be exclusive with them).

    I forget who said it here, but it's like they're (women) walking around trying to trap a free bird (you or other prospects) into a cage (committment). Is this not plate spinning? Or is it cage trapping? :crackup:
     
  9. macallik

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    I pm'd Rollo about a year ago after not quite wrapping my head around the theory and he responded with the text in the next post. Hopefully this will be a help others as it no doubt cleared up confusion for me.

    The Bat, I am not entirely sure on Tomassi's view on women being plate spinners although he does allude to it in the last paragraph of what I will soon repost. I've been thinking about this for at least a 45 minutes at my computer. Personally, I think there is a difference between a woman having options and a man spinning plates; mainly the quality of the relationship and the quality of the person. Anyhow, enjoy and if you are reading Rollo I'd like to hear any other ideas you have on the topic.
     
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    macallik Master Don Juan

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  11. Credos

    Credos Master Don Juan

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    Been a while since this post was up, so bringing it up, good post Rollo Tomassi
     
  12. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Master Don Juan

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    Memorize and repeat this to your friends and sons.

    Habla sin hablando - speak without speaking.

    Imply it with your behavior. Never overtly tell (or telegraph by your actions) a woman she's in competition for your attention. Allow her to come to the conclusion that your attention is in demand. Her imagination is the best tool in your DJ toolbox. Learn how to use it.

    Limit your availability to her. Let her call go to voicemail and call her back half an hour to an hour later. NEVER immediately respond to texts. Increase value through scarcity. Be responsibly, but unavoidably in demand. The less available you appear to be, the more available you "might" be for a competitor.

    Part of women's difference from men is they have a much more well defined capacity for communication than men. She reads you on many different levels - by overtly communicating your status in an effort to impress you shatter any chance of her 'discovering' things about you and come off as pretentious. Women want to peel away layers of you, not eat the whole onion at once.
     
  13. hysteria

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    Don't listen to this Rollo guy. He's married and hasn't spun a plate since the 80s. It's like a girl taking pick-up advice from Hillary Clinton.
     
  14. EFFORT

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    This is the best thread on this site. This should be a sticky in the main discussion forum.
     
  15. djbr

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  16. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Master Don Juan

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    yeah. don't listen to me. I'm full of ****. ask anyone who's been a member of SS for 5 years,...
     
  17. konnerbelly

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    If the plate is simply supported on two sides and free on the opposite two sides, then you should be able to treat it simple as a very wide beam - assuming that the plate is uniformly loaded along the width. I think that the stir plates are usually used in conjunction with breathable stoppers. The vortexing pulls air into the flask and into solution, actively displacing the CO
     
  18. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Master Don Juan

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    As far as risk is concerned, it's not risk when you have legitimate options. Real options are the cornerstone of confidence, so try not to think of it in terms of risk. Most guys (particularly rAFCs seeking advice on SS) get to a point where Game and plate spinning give them their first taste of real options to select from or fall back on when another doesn't pan out. The problem arises when they spin enough plates successfully to the point where they think they've maxed out to their "best" option and the old scarcity mentality returns. Most times a guy who newly practices Game and plate spinning never really spins plates; he uses it for the first monogamous opportunity that's been eluding him for so long and calls it quits.

    If you feel that you have something to lose with a particular girl, you're no longer spinning plates - you're thinking and approaching dating in terms of exclusivity. POOK's great quote: "women would rather share a high value Man than be saddled by a faithful loser" A lot of guys (and almost every woman) have a big problem with the truth of this because they take it too literally. POOK was never suggesting that you OVERTLY declare that you'll be open to other options and that your girls should accept this. Every woman takes this quote in this way. When it's on the table like that it unsurprisingly becomes an affront to their pride and self-worth. However, in practice, non-exclusivity has to be COVERT. It needs to be implied, not declared. Thus you see the truth in POOK's observation - women's behavior will bear him out.

    A high value Man can spin plates, and sometimes those plates suspect there are, or know there are other plates in his rotation. They'll tolerate it so long as he remain high enough value (or effectively presents that perception) or they'll move on to another high value Man. As I said, some plates fall off to be replaced by new plates. You must be willing and confident enough to let some of them fall.

    When you do finally transition into exclusive monogamy there are a few questions you need to ask yourself. Are you doing so because you have a re-heated scarcity mentality? Are you considering monogamy because you've developed ONEitis? Do you really have options or is she your only real option? Are you in a slump or a dry spell? The most important thing to consider when you transition is understanding that women want a man that other men want to be and other women want to ƒuck. Her association with your high value comes at a price. Women don't want a Man to cheat, but they love a Man who couldcheat. They love the Man with high enough value that others would want to tempt him. Nothing is more satisfying to a woman's ego than to be exclusive with a Man that other women would try to seduce and yet SHE is the one he's stays faithful to.

    The trick in transitioning into monogamy from non-exclusivity is to maintain that same competition anxiety that kept her vying to be your #1 plate when you were spinning them. Women are walking contradictions, the want, need, security in many different forms, but simultaneously hate predictability and crave the excitement that insecurity fosters in them. Far too many Men never think, or want to risk, founding their LTR on a healthy amount of competition anxiety. They think that security, loyalty and dependability is the key, and while ennobling, it's BORING. You are forsaking all of your options to be with her, but now that she's got you, she wonders if you were really worth the effort. You MUST set the precedents early on in an LTR. If you do not control the frame at the beginning of an LTR, you'll be fighting an uphill battle to gain control in convincing her you were and still are a high value male.

    And that brings us full circle back again to risk. Don't be concerned with risking losing her in establishing your frame of control, that risk is a no-brainer. The risk of committing yourself to a monogamy where you put off all other options (including career, education, family, etc.) for what could be a lifetime is a FAR greater risk than losing any woman's affections. That risk has much more long term impact than having to replace a girl you considered worthy of monogamy.
     
  19. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Master Don Juan

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    Don't think of plate theory as a filter so much as it is a means to reinforce confidence. If you were to step into the ring with a professional UFC fighter right now it'd probably be suicide for you. But train for a few years, spar with other fighters and win a few bouts and you'll probably be confident enough in your past performances that you know you can hold your own in the ring. That's the idea, confidence derived from the options of non-exclusive women in hand and from having successfully generated those options in the past.

    It's not a numbers game, it's a non-exclusivity game. The goal isn't racking up as many women as humanly possible in order to sift through the throng and find that one little golden flower. In fact that's the key to disaster. There is no Quality Woman, that's an idealization. Some are better than others of course, but you don't find the perfect woman, you make the perfect woman. There is no needle in the haystack - that is Scarcity / ONEitis thinking - the point is to mold yourself and any woman who you do exclusively end up with into your own frame. This is a process that should come before you commit to exclusivity, not after. The world is filled with guys forever trying to catch up, control the frame and be the Man they should've been long before they entered an LTR. They spend the better part of their LTRs/Marriages trying to prove that they deserve their GFs respect when they'd have done better in letting her come to that conclusion well before the commitment through a healthy dose of competition anxiety.
     
  20. seraphim

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    Whoa this is an epic post.Nice!!
     

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