Bad foot?/To much protein!?

[Rainman4707]

Woke up 9 days ago with a pain on the side my left foot. Thought it was just the way I lay on it during the previous nights sleep. It had got worse over the next four days so I went to doctors. Couple people that I knew told me that it would definitely be gout, I do eat a lot of protein.

A little on my diet :-

Let's say I work five twelve hour shifts a week, two days off. Let's say on my two days off I train both days. On my first day off I normally have a bowl of porridge for breakfast, after i train, I have a protein shake. For my dinner a can of kidney beans & couple of fried eggs. I normally have protein for my tea too...i.e couple of salmon fillets with a lot of peas & thats me for the day.
One week on my second day off work would be porridge for breakfast, then a shake after training, then a couple chicken burgers, then spaghetti carbonara for my tea & a pizza for supper.

I still try to get protein in me my first couple of days back at work...i.e baked beans on toast, greek yougurt, chicken sandwiches, bowl of soup. if it's been four days since I last trained then i'll reduce my protein intake. It is difficult to get protein in me when i'm working sixty hours a week anyway.

The doctor told me that I didn't have gout, she said that I have probs sprained my foot -

Rainman :- I would of known though, if I had sprained it!

Doctor :- You can sprain, without knowing about it.

Anyway I took a couple of tablets before I went to see doctor & that took most of pain away, I still can feel it now a little, 9 days after I first felt it. Seemed to be worst on a morning when I got out of bed after a nights sleep, I could hardy walk.

Any thoughts on what it could be?

Thanks,in advance...Rainman.

 

[Billtx49]

What did the Dr. say about your knee pain problem you were bi7chin about on the other thread last week? Did the pain magically move to your foot or you have both now? If so, I reccomend a really high dollar medical specialist.

 

[marmel75]

Holy crap...how did you last 4 days?? I have gotten gout a few times(thanks Dad), and I literally couldn't make it more than a day without taking Indomethicin(make sure you get Indomethicin---the other things they give for it don't really work nearly as well).

I had the same situation...I was visiting the in-laws out of state and didn't have anything with me when it happened, I went 2 days before calling my doctor and he sent over a prescription, but in the mean time because of the way I was walking on it I ended up spraining my ankle and it swelled up pretty good. So yes, you definitely can sprain your ankle from gout due to repeatedly walking differently on it due to the pain.

However, gout doesn't happen on the side of a foot...it happens in joints from the buildup of Uric acid crystals which are like sharp little needles that irritate and cause microscopic tears in the joints...typically the big toe, but I've also had it in the ankle joint. Pain in the side of a foot most definitely is NOT gout---no idea who would have told you that it could be, they are pretty ignorant of what gout actually is apparently.

Could be a strain or it could be Plantar Fascitis or a stress fracture, or even a Jones fracture which is the 5th metatarsal and the foot underneath it(pinky toe and the area along the side of the foot under it). If you have been having knee pain, it could be that you've been walking on it differently to try and prevent the knee from hurting which would then change the dynamics of how you are moving and could lead to issues with the foot.

 

[Rainman4707]

I've had the odd problem with my knee in the past, but I haven't been to doctors about it. I am going to do so now though after advice I've received.
However people did tell me to go see the doctor about my foot.

Yes Marmel, the doctor also said that I would have been in more pain if I had gout & my foot would have been more swollen, red & on my big toe. My dad also had gout & it can be genetic. He thinks that I have mild gout, & because the doctor has dismissed it he thinks it will come back worse next time. He''s worried that i'll lose work through doctors ignorance.
I took a couple tablets...think they were called Naxproxen & that took most of pain away. The night before I took them, the pain woke me up a few times during the night.

Pain in my knees don't alter the way I walk so I personally I don't think its them.

I hope it was'nt gout. Well i'm back on my bodybuilding diet, so we'll see what happens in future.

 

[marmel75]

I've had the odd problem with my knee in the past, but I haven't been to doctors about it. I am going to do so now though after advice I've received.
However people did tell me to go see the doctor about my foot.

Yes Marmel, the doctor also said that I would have been in more pain if I had gout & my foot would have been more swollen, red & on my big toe. My dad also had gout & it can be genetic. He thinks that I have mild gout, & because the doctor has dismissed it he thinks it will come back worse next time. He''s worried that i'll lose work through doctors ignorance.
I took a couple tablets...think they were called Naxproxen & that took most of pain away. The night before I took them, the pain woke me up a few times during the night.

Pain in my knees don't alter the way I walk so I personally I don't think its them.

I hope it was'nt gout. Well i'm back on my bodybuilding diet, so we'll see what happens in future.

Your diet will determine the extent of how much gout you get for the most part...eating lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and low amounts of processed foods will typically reduce it to once every 5 years if not less. I don't think there is any evidence of gout becoming significantly worse over time and even if there was, there really isn't much to do about it. It's like having a broken toe...OK, the doctor says you broke your toe, but what are they going to do? Nothing. There is nothing they can do. Watch your diet and watch your prurine levels if its a major concern.

They also gave me Naproxen for gout and it did nothing for me, which is why I always make sure to ask for Indomethicin now.

And just because gout occurs in the big toe most frequently doesn't mean it HAS to occur there. It can occur in any joint. I got it twice in my big toe and twice in my ankle.

 

[ArcBound]

get your primary care physician to refer you to a podiatrist.

 

[ubercat]

you don't really need a lot of protein. There's plenty already in the average Western diet. A lot of protein does put strain on your kidneys long term. I'd actually go the other way and try and have a couple of vegetarian days a week

 

[Rainman4707]

you don't really need a lot of protein. There's plenty already in the average Western diet. A lot of protein does put strain on your kidneys long term. I'd actually go the other way and try and have a couple of vegetarian days a week

It's been said you need 1 gram of protein for each pound of your bodyweight if you want to get big.

 

[ubercat]

It's the internet a lot of things r said. In kiwi land we had an all black captain called bull Allen. Unsurprisingly he was the size of 2 fridges. He was a vegetarian.

 

[marmel75]

It's been said you need 1 gram of protein for each pound of your bodyweight if you want to get big.

This is a long standing myth out there because its based on observations from people who have no scientific background who just decided to throw that out there(likely bodybuilders themselves).

Researchers statistically showed that the absolute maximum amount of protein you need with double 95% certainty(an extraordinarily high standard of confidence) is 0.82g per pound of body weight, and in all reality saw no difference in anything over 0.64g per pound.

Now, the only caveat is this doesn't hold true if you are cycle. So if you are using steroids then yes, you probably can utilize more protein. Otherwise, its not going to make any difference.

Also, the more you train, the LESS protein you need, not more because the body has become more efficient at using it and you are not breaking down nearly as much muscle as a new lifter would be. A well trained athlete could likely get by on 0.55g or even 0.45g per pound.

 

[marmel75]

you don't really need a lot of protein. There's plenty already in the average Western diet. A lot of protein does put strain on your kidneys long term. I'd actually go the other way and try and have a couple of vegetarian days a week

Another fallacy. Protein does NOT put strain on the kidneys.

 

[Rainman4707]

Update :- I've been getting similar pains in my foot. I've realised the reason i'm getting pain in my foot is because of the way I've been lying on it in bed.
Sometimes I've been crossing my feet in bed.

 

[ubercat]

Hmm I m off posting but I ll except since this could fix you instantly. I had back and knee problems I weigh over 100 kg. I realised it was because I was twisting my legs while I slept. now I sleep with a firm pillow between my knees never any problems since.

 

[ubercat]

@marmel75

Kidney Disease: When people eat too much protein, they take in more nitrogen than they need. This places a strain on the kidneys, which must expel the extra nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are encouraged to eat low-protein diets. Such a diet reduces the excess levels of nitrogen and can also help prevent kidney disease.

Got this from The Harvard medical School site I've also seen this in a NHCI study. can you please post some links to the studies that say this is a fallacy. Thanks

As a side note I love my meat and cheese. To not mess myself up I've moved more to chicken and adopted a meatless Monday. but I still love my lamb and steak so to mitigate I buy pre-made green smoothie and low sugar natural flavoured Kombucha to provide an alkaline forming component to my diet to combat the ureaic acid all those lovely steaks are making. I've got friends who use chlorophyll for the same purpose. Note you have to be taking the stuff daily as you are eating the acid forming foods daily e.g. coffee etc.

 

[marmel75]

@marmel75

Kidney Disease: When people eat too much protein, they take in more nitrogen than they need. This places a strain on the kidneys, which must expel the extra nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are encouraged to eat low-protein diets. Such a diet reduces the excess levels of nitrogen and can also help prevent kidney disease.

Got this from The Harvard medical School site I've also seen this in a NHCI study. can you please post some links to the studies that say this is a fallacy. Thanks

As a side note I love my meat and cheese. To not mess myself up I've moved more to chicken and adopted a meatless Monday. but I still love my lamb and steak so to mitigate I buy pre-made green smoothie and low sugar natural flavoured Kombucha to provide an alkaline forming component to my diet to combat the ureaic acid all those lovely steaks are making. I've got friends who use chlorophyll for the same purpose. Note you have to be taking the stuff daily as you are eating the acid forming foods daily e.g. coffee etc.

That's a longstanding myth that needs to die like cholesterol is bad and saturated fat is the devil.

Your kidneys filter your blood all day long every day. Unless you already have pre-existing issues with your kidneys, there isn't much to worry about. Studies done have shown NO ill effects on normal people's kidney function even with long term high protein intake.

Another one of those things someone said 50 years ago that people have latched onto without ever questioning the actual truth of it.

If obese diabetics who have among the worst functioning kidneys there are don't have issues on high protein diets, neither will you.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/high-protein-safe-for-kidneys

 

[ubercat]

Thanks. That's much more recent than the studies I had found. interesting to me too as my girlfriend is studying to be a diabetes educator.

 

[Rainman4707]

It happened again, December 2017. I could feel a pain in my foot. Next day my foot was swollen. My job requires 6 hours walking a day.

Anyway I think it's a sprain. I've missed two months work. Instead of doing walking job, I'm now in office. I tried doing walking job. It sets my foot off. I'm fine if I go for an hour's walk, but when I do three or four hours walking in a shift at work I can feel my foot beginning to pulsate.
I have a physio appointment soon so I'll see what they say.

I am going to have to be more careful in future in regards to not going over on my ankle. I walk on rough terrain.

I had blood tests done for gout which came back negative.

I am also going to follow one posters advice & try and sleep with a pillow in between my legs in case the cause is crossing my feet whilst sleeping