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How women turn men into co-dependent losers

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These days its rare to see a man in a marriage or LTR who is not his woman's b!tch on some level. There was a time when it was the opposite. The woman was the insecure one and the man was usually dominant. We all know the role feminism and Disney fantasies played in this. But lets talk about the role INDIVIDUAL women play.

When you start f*cking a woman and discover you like her.. the relationship is usually amazing enough to convince the man it might be worth it to "commit" and stop f*cking other women. The man is then rewarded (at first) for this commitment with excellent behavior from his woman. Then out of the blue her behavior will change (in a way that is not beneficial to the man). You can call it a "sh!t test" if you want, but what the woman is really doing is trying to get MORE from you.

Just like rich people never have enough money... women never have enough ANYTHING. So if something is good.. then it needs to be better and so on and so on. Your average man will give in to avoid drama. But the woman is still not satisfied. This continues over time. Eventually the man becomes a pathetic, "yes dear" castrated faggot with a high voice. His self-esteem is destroyed. He blame himself for his woman's dissatisfaction and misery.

WHY does this happen?

1. Women study every man to identify his weaknesses. Then she targets those weaknesses relentlessly
2. Power feels good to women and the more they have the better they feel
3. Women don't care about a man's happiness.. only what she can extract from him

Are YOU a Co-Dependent faggot? Take the test:
1. Do you treat women they way you do because you WANT to or because you fear what might happen if you don't?

Believe it or not.. that question is the only question on the test. If you are in a relationship with a woman and you are doing things out of FEAR rather than desire.. then you're her co-dependent b!tch.

MEN: Living on your own terms is so important. Notice how your relationships with male friends are never fear based. You talk to them, hang out with them, drink with them because it feels good and ONLY because it feels good. That is the same approach you should have with women. No exceptions.
 

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The fear is insidious. Society is setup to reinforce and superficially reward compliance. But when your eyes r open you see it's fools gold.

I m on holiday with family. Had a moment of weakness wondering why my girlfriend hadn't contacted me for the last couple of days. Then my DJ training kicked in and triggered default LTR action -- do nothing.

Reminded myself that I m the star of my show. Hit the gym and the pool. And started my online business process mgmt course. And then of course g/f broke radio silence next day.
 

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Yes, women tend to try to Betatize men once the honeymoon stage is over at about year 3 or so if not sooner, in a LTR or marriage environment, which in turn lowers their own attraction for him. Less secks for him obviously at that point. What else is new
Bottom line, don't sacrifice your own best interests for poon. Does not matter how they do it, as long as you know It eventually will happen.
 
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PoonKing said:
If you are in a relationship with a woman and you are doing things out of FEAR rather than desire.. then you're her co-dependent b!tch.
Poon King, I would also inject another tier:

1) Fear
2) Desire
3) Choice: Weighing the pros and cons, and making a decision thereof.

Example: If I were in an exclusive relation, I have no absolutely desire to satisfy my gf in bed. I am not fearful that I must satisfy her, but rather if I continue not to satisfy her sexual needs, she will be no longer meet mine. So I have a choice: Meet her sexual needs or don't. If I choose to meet her sexual needs, I do so without the desire to, and without fear not to, but rather as a logical decision: Invest a few extra minutes here for multiple sexual returns later.

Now we could argue that my choice of meeting her sexual need is based in fear (of her leaving), BUT:

1) I don't act out of fear;
2) If we were to make such an argument, and I were to take the position of never satisfying ALL women in bed as that is not my desire, then I will be essentially NEXTing myself of all options and losing incredible sexual reciprocation.

Choice. Choose to look beyond your desire now and toward the greater returns to come, not out of fear, but out of calculation.


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I m on holiday with family. Had a moment of weakness wondering why my girlfriend hadn't contacted me for the last couple of days.
More resistance with this girl, following her "take a break" bluff? Time to take a step here and look at this frame.
 
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Appreciate you taking an interest guru. Dating for me is zero fvcks however I am still a work in progress when it comes to ltr frame.

I can see how it would look like that from the outside. However 95% of the time she is a very compliant. Freely tells people socially that I'm the boss even though she cops s*** from feminist c****. Loves to cook for me helps clean my house, sews, does whatever I want in the bedroom.

It's certainly not the worst frame battle that I've ever had.

And when the emotional tantrums come ignoring her or making fun of her seems to work just fine. So in summary the deal stacks up currently. 8 months in so of course at some point I'll have to face down the marriage hamster.
 

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MGTOW is the way to go these days. Women are horrible
If you think women are so horrible then you must just be in it for the sex, which is so nice.

So it would make sense to dismiss messy women from your life, and buy that sexy life-like robot to meet all your needs... when it finally comes on the market right?

Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

Either there is more to woman than sex, or you may as well just buy the virtual sex experience.

[or go full monk mode].

The problem is women are being turned into commodities here; they either suit our needs or they don't. Think about this carefully people; the fundamental premise of being a decent human being is to treat people as ends in themselves. Anything less than this, and you run the risk of dehumanizing yourself.
 
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MGTOW is the way to go these days. Women are horrible
Then why don't you guys go your own way then lol? Serious question.

I might be taking a long break from Sosuave/The Manosphere (which I can see some people cheering that decision) because god damn it....this shyt is just getting stupider by the day.

- If it's not about one-dimensional cartoon characters like alpha male, beta male, don juan, or whatever

- Then it's about one-dimensional theories, telling grown a.ss men how they should live their life

- Then it's about guys who claim they are MGTOW, but yet....multiple times per week they are still here discussing bytches all day. If you have gone your own way, why the fvck do you keep discussing bytches?

Poon King is one of the best posters on here, but for the life of me.....if women are turning men into co-dependent fag.gots then STOP dating them. Fvck an escort.

All of these theories are designed to avoid a guy from getting hurt/experiencing pain. Which is fine, but you do realize you don't have to date bytches at all right? There's plenty of Escort sites out there for you. If bytches are so horrible....go your own way like you claim, and stop fvcking with them.

But it's just insanity of the Manosphere. The more and more I engage here, the more and more you guys just make NO fvcking sense to me lol.
 

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Poon King is one of the best posters on here, but for the life of me.....if women are turning men into co-dependent fag.gots then STOP dating them. Fvck an escort.

All of these theories are designed to avoid a guy from getting hurt/experiencing pain. Which is fine, but you do realize you don't have to date bytches at all right? There's plenty of Escort sites out there for you. If bytches are so horrible....go your own way like you claim, and stop fvcking with them.
Escorts are a one-time transactional relationship. If your game is tight, you get sex and quite a few additional benefits out of a woman for the same price, all while screening her to make sure she isn't an abused BPD drug addict like most escorts.
 

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Escorts are a one-time transactional relationship. If your game is tight, you get sex and quite a few additional benefits out of a woman for the same price, all while screening her to make sure she isn't an abused BPD drug addict like most escorts.
No I get that....but if guys here continually talk about how women are all out to get them in a relationship, then why bother is the question?
 

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No I get that....but if guys here continually talk about how women are all out to get them in a relationship, then why bother is the question?
Yes, things can degenerate into a pit of negativity. ha ha

I suspect a lot of what goes by the name of a no nonsense 'reality' here is just what people are projecting from their own past disappointment and bitterness.... with a lot of Group Think. Much of it is just about ego protection, but that just leads to a impoverished hermetically sealed life. There is no Wealth but Life! [John Ruskin]

What ever happened to the stiff upper lip mentality, and the taking it on the chin like a man! Dust yourself off, get back on the horse.

Sure, learn from experience, but don't react to a set of past circumstances. Your job is to rise above them, be pro-active, and create your own excellent reality.

I reckon the ideal life for many here would be to have a harem of lobotomized women.. or where you could stop the clock and have them freeze while you had your wicked way with them. All schoolboy fantasies.... ha ha
 
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If you think women are so horrible then you must just be in it for the sex, which is so nice.

So it would make sense to dismiss messy women from your life, and buy that sexy life-like robot to meet all your needs... when it finally comes on the market right?

Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

Either there is more to woman than sex, or you may as well just buy the virtual sex experience.

[or go full monk mode].

The problem is women are being turned into commodities here; they either suit our needs or they don't. Think about this carefully people; the fundamental premise of being a decent human being is to treat people as ends in themselves. Anything less than this, and you run the risk of dehumanizing yourself.

Then why don't you guys go your own way then lol? Serious question.

I might be taking a long break from Sosuave/The Manosphere (which I can see some people cheering that decision) because god damn it....this shyt is just getting stupider by the day.

- If it's not about one-dimensional cartoon characters like alpha male, beta male, don juan, or whatever

- Then it's about one-dimensional theories, telling grown a.ss men how they should live their life

- Then it's about guys who claim they are MGTOW, but yet....multiple times per week they are still here discussing bytches all day. If you have gone your own way, why the fvck do you keep discussing bytches?

Poon King is one of the best posters on here, but for the life of me.....if women are turning men into co-dependent fag.gots then STOP dating them. Fvck an escort.

All of these theories are designed to avoid a guy from getting hurt/experiencing pain. Which is fine, but you do realize you don't have to date bytches at all right? There's plenty of Escort sites out there for you. If bytches are so horrible....go your own way like you claim, and stop fvcking with them.

But it's just insanity of the Manosphere. The more and more I engage here, the more and more you guys just make NO fvcking sense to me lol.
I think both you guys are both missing the point. No one has said women are horrible. No one has said just use them for sex. No one has said don't get into relationships. No one has said just use escorts. In fact if you look at the overall picture, a LTR is almost preached here, but NOT at your emotional, financial, mental, and physical expense. The main point is do what is best for you at ALL times. If you think it's best for you to get married and live with one woman for the rest of your life, where her expectations go up and her market value goes down, GO FOR IT. If you think it's best to find that one and only 'partner in crime' to fight your battles with and come home and talk to after a hard days work, then have her suddenly do a 180 like Angelina did Brad, GO FOR IT. If you want to live with a woman because you don't want to be alone and all your friends are married or have girlfriends, GO FOR IT.

We just preach don't do it as a sucker. Don't do it because you can't find anything better. Don't do it to 'fit in.' Do it because it's BEST for you. o_O
 

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I think both you guys are both missing the point. No one has said women are horrible. No one has said just use them for sex. No one has said don't get into relationships. No one has said just use escorts. In fact if you look at the overall picture, a LTR is almost preached here, but NOT at your emotional, financial, mental, and physical expense. The main point is do what is best for you at ALL times. If you think it's best for you to get married and live with one woman for the rest of your life, where her expectations go up and her market value goes down, GO FOR IT. If you think it's best to find that one and only 'partner in crime' to fight your battles with and come home and talk to after a hard days work, then have her suddenly do a 180 like Angelina did Brad, GO FOR IT. If you want to live with a woman because you don't want to be alone and all your friends are married or have girlfriends, GO FOR IT.

We just preach don't do it as a sucker. Don't do it because you can't find anything better. Don't do it to 'fit in.' Do it because it's BEST for you. o_O
Well, I agree you should do what is best for you. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

What is up for debate is what exactly is 'the best'.

Now you can reply that it is whatever you personally think it is... and there-in would end the debate. And why anyone would then bother to post unless for pity parties and back-slapping would be beyond me. ha ha

But I think we'd all agree that men are more logical than that, and so will have these objective disagreements. Because, the reality is that practical advice is being offered here which presents itself as this is what you ought to do - that this is the best course of action.

I guess this is about whether Sosauve will be a club for like-minded people, or a forum for serious manly discussion.
 
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Now we could argue that my choice of meeting her sexual need is based in fear (of her leaving), BUT:

1) I don't act out of fear;
2) If we were to make such an argument, and I were to take the position of never satisfying ALL women in bed as that is not my desire, then I will be essentially NEXTing myself of all options and losing incredible sexual reciprocation.

Choice. Choose to look beyond your desire now and toward the greater returns to come, not out of fear, but out of calculation.

Spoken like a true business person.
 

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I think both you guys are both missing the point. No one has said women are horrible. No one has said just use them for sex. No one has said don't get into relationships. No one has said just use escorts. In fact if you look at the overall picture, a LTR is almost preached here, but NOT at your emotional, financial, mental, and physical expense. The main point is do what is best for you at ALL times. If you think it's best for you to get married and live with one woman for the rest of your life, where her expectations go up and her market value goes down, GO FOR IT. If you think it's best to find that one and only 'partner in crime' to fight your battles with and come home and talk to after a hard days work, then have her suddenly do a 180 like Angelina did Brad, GO FOR IT. If you want to live with a woman because you don't want to be alone and all your friends are married or have girlfriends, GO FOR IT.

We just preach don't do it as a sucker. Don't do it because you can't find anything better. Don't do it to 'fit in.' Do it because it's BEST for you. o_O
I agree.

I sometimes do things with women that would normally go against some of the advice that is preached often here. I still follow most of what the DJ Bible says, but I will say/do things that I think will benefit me.

It can be anything from getting a bit personal, being openly sexual, excessive sexual tension, flirting all of the time, not flirting, not escalating, purposely not replying or avoiding someone... Just about anything that you normally wouldn't do.

It just feels a lot more natural when I do, or don't, do something that's on my mind. As long as I know that I'm responsible for what I do then I'm fine. If somebody else is forcing me to do something that I don't want to do then I won't do it.

This goes back to Poon King's point, I can't be whipped by a woman because I do things on my own terms even if those actions are viewed as weak.

I really do think in order to get into a woman's head you have to be balanced. Strong behavior has to have some weak side to it and vice versa. If you're just going for lays, then strong behavior it is. But there is no way a relationship can be healthy if it's all just strength. Same way if it was just weakness.
 

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I really do think in order to get into a woman's head you have to be balanced. Strong behavior has to have some weak side to it and vice versa. If you're just going for lays, then strong behavior it is. But there is no way a relationship can be healthy if it's all just strength. Same way if it was just weakness.
What you are really getting at Skyline (as was I implicitly) is that for a relationship to work she will have to meet your needs ("strength"), and you will have to meet hers ("weak"), even if some of her needs are not within your volition (i.e. sexually satisfying her). And should a time arrive when either party stops meeting the others' needs, the relation will end.
 
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Looking back over past threads over the years there s no lack of controversy.
 

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Then why don't you guys go your own way then lol? Serious question.

I might be taking a long break from Sosuave/The Manosphere (which I can see some people cheering that decision) because god damn it....this shyt is just getting stupider by the day.

- If it's not about one-dimensional cartoon characters like alpha male, beta male, don juan, or whatever

- Then it's about one-dimensional theories, telling grown a.ss men how they should live their life

But it's just insanity of the Manosphere. The more and more I engage here, the more and more you guys just make NO fvcking sense to me lol.
In PK's and others' defense, 95% of the guy who frequent these forums have unfavorable relations with women due to weakness not strength. Why do you think PK's posts resonate so well his peers? Because he solicits strength, exactly what most of these guys need. You don't find newbies coming on this forum and saying, "Yeah, I just fvcked and dumped this bvtch, I need to learn how to be softer in my approach?" Instead you get the thirsty guys who will sell their soul for a piece of puzzy.

Tenacity, these forums don't resonate well with you because you have a higher level of game and understanding (at times, unless it's the time of the month for you). Many of these discussions, as well, have conflicting high-level game advice such as "meeting the needs of the prospects for maximum efficiency" which directly contradicts the lower-level game advice such as "You are ALL. Do what you want."

I would recommend the mods consider creating a sub-forum named "High-Level Game," whereas we can maintain this high-level game advice to those who can understand and use it, and away from newbies who need to focus on developing strength in their inner game/core.
 
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What you are really getting at Skyline (as was I implicitly) is that for a relationship to work she will have to meet your needs ("strength"), and you will have to meet hers ("weak"), even if some of her needs are not within your volition (i.e. sexually satisfying her). And should a time arrive when either party stops meeting the others' needs, the relation will end.
This is too cold and calculating. No wonder no-one knows what love is! ha ha
 
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