If sex is so readily available then what is the point of MGTOW?

[C-quenced]

Good points,
also that time where men could go be men, have clubs, numerous hobbies was a time when he didnt have to worry about his neighbor trying to bang his wife. Now days these cowards hide behind fb and such to charm a woman behind your back like a *****...

Since women are by nature the gatekeeper to sex then wouldn't it be her responsibility to keep her legs closed? If sex is to take place it's because the woman (NOT the man) ultimately decides that it's going to happen. The "takes two to tango" line is oversimplified bull****. Why do you blame other men for women's decisions? It's an illogical line of thinking that'll get you into trouble. These are the same kinds of guys who shoot the guy his wife was cheating on him with and while he's rotting away in prison his wife goes and hoes herself out to the entire town. It's a lose/lose situation so who's the ***** now?

What is the point of MGTOW?

To go your own way.

To increase personal responsibility by taking a break from 'bubble game' and force yourself to step outside the bubble. A lot of MGTOWs have since expat-ed to foreign lands in search of quality, child/family bearing women.

To stop feminism by denying western women access to easily marriageable beta providers...(btw if you are reading this forum you are a beta provider).

Sex in the West is readily available, MGTOW are searching for QUALITY SEX. After all, sex eventually leads to procreation and who doesn't want the best quality mate for their future children? The divorced MGTOW know that better than anyone.


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Both video's stars' are the same age. You can clearly see their societal values reflected in the videos.

Sex is not the be all end all to life. Choosing a proper wife and mother for your children is also paramount to success in the first world. Any man can make money and gain power, its the woman you choose who will ultimately decide whether you get to keep it or not.

IMO personal experience, my foreign wife of 5 years has thus far given me 0 problems, can cook, clean, makes a concentrated effort to get along and impress my parents and still looks like a 16 y/o girl. Probably the best decision I have ever made. I am now fairly well off money wise, making more responsible decisions with my life's direction and for the first time in my life have money in the bank and my feet on the ground. I can say that the same is true for every guy I knew that did the same (most have children now).

Contrast that to the story of every man stuck in a first world 'starter marriage'. The idea was never to walk away from society as a whole but to rejoin it once you could clear your head and break away from western society's chains. Break down the values, build them back up again and spread the word. That was what I understood MGTOW to be and has been my experience thus far.

I believe this is stage 5.

I don't want to get married and neither do I want any kids. This was something I wanted between the ages of 17 - 24 and since then I've outgrown that. I've been thinking of leaving the U.S. for some time now as I need a change of scenery. Maybe Norway or Sweden but I'm leaning more towards Japan (and none of my choices has anything to do with women).

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

As a MGTOW, I have no interest in having any sort of long term attachment with women including marriage, children, or living together. Being a MGTOW is cheaper, less drama, less work, less stress, and more freedom to do what I want whenever I want. This isn't the 1950's anymore. Getting involved with these women long term is a fools errand. Marriage is too financially dangerous for men now. I'm not going to lose my house to some ***** who one day decides she no longer wants to be with me. I want no part in the American Dream and I've bowed out by choice.

 

[bmp2cpm]

........If women are just as horny as men are then why don't they just put out without all the bull****? And please don't say it's because they fear being judged. No one's judging anyone here so that response is also bull****.

That BS you seem to dislike is for the survival of the species. That's all relationships are about. It's never about the man.

The purpose of sex to a woman is secure a man's resources for her survival and therefore for the survival of her offspring.

Resources include: genetic material, protection from unwanted men, time, money, kindness. making her laugh, making her feel comforted, making her feel safe.

Meet all of the above perfectly and it's a sex buffet with the women and she can be your own personal porn star, at least until she believes she has secured all your resources forever. Then women completely slack. Sex disappears and women look elsewhere for new resources. I'm not sure why, probably an evolutionary thing. In the old days, we all had much shorter life spans, so maybe at one time women were really devoted to a man for life.

Anyway, to think women are as horny as men is a very simplistic view of the situation, I think. Makes me laugh to think about it. Did you hear that from a woman, maybe?

Women are programmed to collect resources, doesn't matter if they are feminist or old fashioned. Heck, even lesbians are all about the resources, never the looks.

And men are about the sex and the looks of the partner. Even gay men are programmed this way.

Every action we do is for sex in one way or another. The MGTOWs appear to be using their intellect over their biological programming. Good idea on paper. Tough life to live in practice.

MGTOW is kind of a lifestyle, like being a monk, I guess. Except MGTOWs use a major tactic of women, i.e. shaming. MGTOWs love to shame women and shame men who encourage women.

Shaming is a chief sex tactic of women to knock down the competition. But MGTOW's seem to like it as well. Ironic, that the group that gives up sex, uses a major sex tactic to prove their point.

That's the thing....to fight who and what we all are is a major waste of time. People need to get their head out of the sand, realize how much of our behavior is programmed. Realize ALL human emotions evolved for sex. Realize that everything is about sex. And then take advantage of the situation and of the competition with their head in the sand and use that knowledge to have all your fantasies fulfilled and get so much sex you get tired of it. That is what life is all about!

 

[LiveFreeX]

I don't want to get married and neither do I want any kids. = C-quenced

If I had spent my 20s and 30s in North America, I would have the exact same attitude towards women/life. Western women are abominations and should be treated accordingly. If you found the right woman your opinion about kids and marriage would change instantly. The first time I met my wife, all this 'lone wolf' stuff went right out the window. Man needs a woman by his side and a line of children behind him, its only natural. You will meet them if you leave the bubble.

Sex is OK, but War is better. What man doesn't enjoy some aspect of war? Some of us like guns, fighter jets, competitive games and sports or just fantasy tales... but to say that life is about sex? Eh... I don't think so. In the case of women, then yes, their lives are BABY focused. Most men who get sex on a regular basis couldn't care less about getting MORE sex... infact I'd rather play games with my brother (about space war), watch movies and do... well pretty much anything else. You only care about sex when you aren't getting any... its like going to the bathroom, when you have to take a dump really bad, ANY toilet will do and getting your poo-card is all you can think about.