you cannot LJBF a girl

LJBF = lets just be friends = the male kiss of death

LJBFB = lets just be f* buddies = the female kiss of death

I think you cannot LJBF a girl because a girl does not want sex in the way a man does. Women want the emotional committment so therefore I think the opposite of LJBF is LJBFB.

LJBFB is more the case since in both cases one is using the other for something they want without fully committing to the other thing they want.

You need to read some of the material about women's sexuality.

Women do want sex, sometimes desperately. If you're ever unsure of this, go into the bookstore, and look at all the romance novels, which are typically the high sellers.

Women are less worried about getting sex because of the supply and demand created by the way our consent laws work.

When we act unfazed and unavailable, we use the scarcity principle to make the women believe that they should put more effort into commiting to us more emotionally.


I've never heard of a guy saying, "LJBFB", so I don't know where you're getting that from.

The answer is to not push or get angry, but just withdraw and act unfazed. However, don't submit and accept her offer, keep acting AS IF you were a romantic prospect when you come in contact with her, but also focus on other women because you'll get trapped into oneitis otherwise.

Originally posted by swampypete
LJBF = lets just be friends = the male kiss of death

LJBFB = lets just be f* buddies = the female kiss of death

I think you cannot LJBF a girl because a girl does not want sex in the way a man does. Women want the emotional committment so therefore I think the opposite of LJBF is LJBFB.

LJBFB is more the case since in both cases one is using the other for something they want without fully committing to the other thing they want.

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The only time you can LBJF seems to be after you 2 are in a strong relationship and you don't feel attracted to her anymore.

Hey Swampy, excellent first two statements... totally untrue, but great opinion openers. You may just have a chance at this game

LOL, yeah, right! I'm sure you've got the badboy part of your game down, your just not enough of a man to LJBF a girl in your life yet.

To be able to LJBF a girl is simple, you must be the master of her emotions. It seems as though you favour the cold approach, the ONS, the quick pick-up as I say.

Males recognize innuendo teasing, as a prime indicator of a girls attraction level.

HB: "LJBF", implies no innuendo, and is as such, a "buzz killer".

Females on the other hand, recognize somebody who can take a complex subject, and wrap it up into a simple neat package.

ethno: "LJBF", implies she no longer has a choice with me, we are now friends.

DJ4Real implies hard work, before it works, the same goes in the opposite direction. A good leader would never allow their enemy to simply say, we are now friends, so after months of fighting, you being able to come out on top and declare cease fire, is next to useless. Please ignore this statement, it is as you say "AFC".

MackJr used an excellent rendition of paraphrasing, than he totally went KBJ on us. I've never heard of a guy saying, "LJBFB" I hope everybody can recognize the many redundancies and false hopes set out in this statement. This is not the first time I've heard argument on this type of subject. Pimps on the other hand assume this, there are always haters.

The only reason I am actually arguing against all of your points is this...

It doesn't matter if you LJBF, or LJBFB, they are both just a vocal barrier. It is an obstacle you are placing in front of the female. Every hardship you give her is beneficial, it's an *******s key, he is the challenge.

Ethnomethod of the day
Which social norm is associated with making your "opponent" speechless?

Originally posted by ethnomethodologist
Hey Swampy, excellent first two statements... totally untrue, but great opinion openers. You may just have a chance at this game

LOL, yeah, right! I'm sure you've got the badboy part of your game down, your just not enough of a man to LJBF a girl in your life yet.

To be able to LJBF a girl is simple, you must be the master of her emotions. It seems as though you favour the cold approach, the ONS, the quick pick-up as I say.

Males recognize innuendo teasing, as a prime indicator of a girls attraction level.

HB: "LJBF", implies no innuendo, and is as such, a "buzz killer".

Females on the other hand, recognize somebody who can take a complex subject, and wrap it up into a simple neat package.

ethno: "LJBF", implies she no longer has a choice with me, we are now friends.

DJ4Real implies hard work, before it works, the same goes in the opposite direction. A good leader would never allow their enemy to simply say, we are now friends, so after months of fighting, you being able to come out on top and declare cease fire, is next to useless. Please ignore this statement, it is as you say "AFC".

MackJr used an excellent rendition of paraphrasing, than he totally went KBJ on us. I've never heard of a guy saying, "LJBFB" I hope everybody can recognize the many redundancies and false hopes set out in this statement. This is not the first time I've heard argument on this type of subject. Pimps on the other hand assume this, there are always haters.

The only reason I am actually arguing against all of your points is this...

It doesn't matter if you LJBF, or LJBFB, they are both just a vocal barrier. It is an obstacle you are placing in front of the female. Every hardship you give her is beneficial, it's an *******s key, he is the challenge.

Ethnomethod of the day
Which social norm is associated with making your "opponent" speechless?

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Ah please re-write this with the intelligence of a smarter than average monkey in mind please. Either all the beer i'v been drinking has caused me brain damage or that makes no sense at all.

About the LJBFB thing, you usually dont have to say anything about it > you'll be a chicks mate and then one night one thing will lead to another and you'll have mindblowing sex, which then re-occurs.

One question about Fvckbuddys: since this is my first i want to know if this will screw with our friendship, she's been one of my best friends for a few years now and i'd rather not throw it away for *****. Anyone have some experiences to share?

You're completely wrong. I had a great **** buddy over the summer.

Yes you bloody well CAN

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Originally posted by swampypete
LJBF = lets just be friends = the male kiss of death

LJBFB = lets just be f* buddies = the female kiss of death

I think you cannot LJBF a girl because a girl does not want sex in the way a man does. Women want the emotional committment so therefore I think the opposite of LJBF is LJBFB.

LJBFB is more the case since in both cases one is using the other for something they want without fully committing to the other thing they want.

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Glad to say that you are wrong.

Stop typing on that stupid keyboard and go outside to see how the things really are. These kind of efforts trying to rationalize behaviour of a woman are no use without actual experience and knowledge comes from experience and certain "facts". No offence.


1) All women do not want to be in a relationship these days. And they ain't all hoes who throw pvssy to everyone either!
- So LJBFB is something many women want to hear. Just sex no strings attached. "Just like in Sex In The City" the babe says thrilled.
It's just that women want certain kind of men to be their steeds who rock their brains out. Yes, those jerks you envy and hate at the same time. You don't have to be a jerk though to be there. Being a masculine Man is even better than a jerk.

2) All women want sex. Badly!
- This is where most men fail. They think women don't want sex or don't want it that much at least. But thinking like that crashes and burs you quickier than anything!
Women just have different kind of sexuality than men. It's biologically programmed on us to be horny. Hell, we wouldn't be here if it wouldn't be like that! It's just that the desire builds up differently in women than men. A man sees a hot babe and he is ready to screw. Hot women instead need a dominating male. A man who doesn't fall crying on her bullshiet tests. That's the reason hot women have these tests. To find a man that interests them sexually and definetely ain't afraid of them.

I've experienced that women want sex even more than men. So much it's even scary. Did you know that chocolate produces a woman similar chemicals in her brain than sex? No wonder they love it so much! Chocolate I mean
These days I believe it's ALL about brain chemistry. Testosterone is a major one. If ANY male lacks testosterone he's going to turn into total wimp. However, if you have levels higher than usually, you feel like you can do anything you can ever imagine. It's like the Man dies without testosterone. Women get more testosterone when they are drunk. That's why they are more horny then.
Ooops. got in a little side track on this like I always do, but hopefully I made a point.

3) "LJBFB = lets just be f* buddies = the female kiss of death"???
I had one girl who I ****ed regularly. I was playing it really good and I was giving her many orgasms. And the best part of it, we only met at my place and I never had to call her. She always rang and came over, we had sex and she left.
She was a ***** you think. Well, we were each others *****s... fulfilling our sexual desires together. We talked too though. But we always had sex when we saw each other.

However, I was waiting a question. One particular question. After some time I got it: "Would you want to be my boyfriend?". I just said back something like this "I dunno really. I like it how it is now. Don't you too?" So basically I just gave her your LJBFB. I believe by that, all she wanted was to make her look "OK" in eyes of other people. I mean it's not good reputation for a good girl to fvck a guy for months and not be bf/gf. My answer to her didn't change our thing in any way.

Our little "relationship" ended when she moved to another town. I saw her a while after that and she bursted out in tears she still had feelings on me. Can you believe that? Had FEELINGS for me? All we ever did was ****ing!


I started here 2002 and I wasn't really an AFC back then. Just unexperienced. Women are completely illogical and seem odd at frist but when you reveal their secret they can be soooo predictable and easily controlled! One thing you have to understand that you have to change your game on gorgeous looking chicks quite a bit compared to more usual looking ones.
Right now I'm working on a new technique I might soon reveal after little bit more field testing.

Originally posted by MackJr
You need to read some of the material about women's sexuality.

Women do want sex, sometimes desperately. If you're ever unsure of this, go into the bookstore, and look at all the romance novels, which are typically the high sellers.

Women are less worried about getting sex because of the supply and demand created by the way our consent laws work.

When we act unfazed and unavailable, we use the scarcity principle to make the women believe that they should put more effort into commiting to us more emotionally.


I've never heard of a guy saying, "LJBFB", so I don't know where you're getting that from.

The answer is to not push or get angry, but just withdraw and act unfazed. However, don't submit and accept her offer, keep acting AS IF you were a romantic prospect when you come in contact with her, but also focus on other women because you'll get trapped into oneitis otherwise.

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women do not want sex like guys do
the 'romance novels' are just that, romance novels. There is alot of foreplay, a lot of buildup, attraction between the woman and the hunky guy as he "wins her over". Sex isn't the object, it's the side effect.
note there's no "romance novels" for men. Guys just watch porn.

women do not have the same sex drives as men. they do not have the same amounts of testosterone. you can say all you want about society and 'social conditioning' - without the biology being there in the first place, society would be different. Women are the recievers, men are the givers. That's why so many women can't even get orgasms from sex - it was never necessary for it to evolve.

note the old cliche that prositution is the oldest profession. Hell, look outside humans. The stud chases the mare, the male dog runs down the b1tch in heat, the male birds flash their colors and their rituals. I'm pretty sure there's no social stigma about being a slutty chicken if you let the rooster **** on you on the first date.

all society does is skew the advantage in the female's favor... without the consent laws you mentioned, a man could act on his natural programming and **** any woman he wanted simply because they're stronger and there wouldn't be **** she could do about it.

Originally posted by JC Denton
women do not want sex like guys do
the 'romance novels' are just that, romance novels. There is alot of foreplay, a lot of buildup, attraction between the woman and the hunky guy as he "wins her over". Sex isn't the object, it's the side effect.
note there's no "romance novels" for men. Guys just watch porn.

women do not have the same sex drives as men. they do not have the same amounts of testosterone. you can say all you want about society and 'social conditioning' - without the biology being there in the first place, society would be different. Women are the recievers, men are the givers. That's why so many women can't even get orgasms from sex - it was never necessary for it to evolve.

note the old cliche that prositution is the oldest profession. Hell, look outside humans. The stud chases the mare, the male dog runs down the b1tch in heat, the male birds flash their colors and their rituals. I'm pretty sure there's no social stigma about being a slutty chicken if you let the rooster **** on you on the first date.

all society does is skew the advantage in the female's favor... without the consent laws you mentioned, a man could act on his natural programming and **** any woman he wanted simply because they're stronger and there wouldn't be **** she could do about it.

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Christ!
Speaking of him, do you live in a uptight christian community or something watching too much MTV or what??

Just like I said before men who think women don't want sex as much as them do not get laid!

You were talking about all the animals and talked about social stigmas that it's not wrong for an animal to "get laid" on the first date comparing animals to humans. And before that you calimed "Sex isn't the object, it's the side effect." That goes for animals too? Oh, sure it is more important to watch the male birds flash their colors just to enjoy the show right and sex, the reproducing, isn't the target? Give me a mother****ing brake man!


Let's talk about biology a while and leave those so called social stigmas for now. Biologically humans do not differ to animals in any way. In most species in nature including humans, males are stronger and are the sexual hunters and females are the pray. If there's many males hunting on less number of females, males have to compete. The strongest male always get's his way. The female never has to do ****, see? Males from different species have different ways to prove that they are the best individuals to get this particular female that's watching the competition as you already mentioned some birds and their flashy colors. Usually though it is just the biggest male who manages to drive away the other males.
For humans, it's all the same except we have rituals like no other species. This is just confusing to most males since showing the best looking flowers for example don't get you there!

If you actually think about it, it's ultimately ALL about sex. Clothes, car, going to gym, watching MTV... it all relates sex.
Thinking about it, if there wouldn't be sexuality, the human world would look totally different.


As I said before testosterone plays major part in sexual behaviour. You said that women don't have as much testosterone as we males do. I've read that men actually have 40 times more testosterone than women. That explains much. That's pretty much why we are ready to sex immediately when we see even a little attractive woman.
Let us think of a man who has lower testosterone level than normally. He's not that sexually active. He isn't dominating. He still wants sex. But maybe not that much physically. But if an attractive girl would approach him in intention to have sex, he would absolutely love to have it.

Men have been courting women since the start of time and women have learned to be picky. Since low testosterone, they rather wait for that perfect stud to take them however he wants rather than ****ing any sorry chump drooling after her *****. Beautiful women have really much attention every day. They learn to be picky. Good looking men understand this really well. I admit that I'm a good looking guy and totally understand those women. I've turned down many girls in my life since they weren't the challenge enough.
Challenge is one key thing that you can see in animal world too.

As soon as you start to fit in those requirements women set on men you start to see how horny sex-biased creature a woman is. This forum is there to help you reach those requirements.
All I do these days is scan for women who show green flags, mack 'em and **** 'em. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Hot Ice
Christ!
Speaking of him, do you live in a uptight christian community or something watching too much MTV or what??

Just like I said before men who think women don't want sex as much as them do not get laid!

You were talking about all the animals and talked about social stigmas that it's not wrong for an animal to "get laid" on the first date comparing animals to humans. And before that you calimed "Sex isn't the object, it's the side effect." That goes for animals too? Oh, sure it is more important to watch the male birds flash their colors just to enjoy the show right and sex, the reproducing, isn't the target? Give me a mother****ing brake man!


Let's talk about biology a while and leave those so called social stigmas for now. Biologically humans do not differ to animals in any way. In most species in nature including humans, males are stronger and are the sexual hunters and females are the pray. If there's many males hunting on less number of females, males have to compete. The strongest male always get's his way. The female never has to do ****, see? Males from different species have different ways to prove that they are the best individuals to get this particular female that's watching the competition as you already mentioned some birds and their flashy colors. Usually though it is just the biggest male who manages to drive away the other males.
For humans, it's all the same except we have rituals like no other species. This is just confusing to most males since showing the best looking flowers for example don't get you there!

If you actually think about it, it's ultimately ALL about sex. Clothes, car, going to gym, watching MTV... it all relates sex.
Thinking about it, if there wouldn't be sexuality, the human world would look totally different.


As I said before testosterone plays major part in sexual behaviour. You said that women don't have as much testosterone as we males do. I've read that men actually have 40 times more testosterone than women. That explains much. That's pretty much why we are ready to sex immediately when we see even a little attractive woman.
Let us think of a man who has lower testosterone level than normally. He's not that sexually active. He isn't dominating. He still wants sex. But maybe not that much physically. But if an attractive girl would approach him in intention to have sex, he would absolutely love to have it.

Men have been courting women since the start of time and women have learned to be picky. Since low testosterone, they rather wait for that perfect stud to take them however he wants rather than ****ing any sorry chump drooling after her *****. Beautiful women have really much attention every day. They learn to be picky. Good looking men understand this really well. I admit that I'm a good looking guy and totally understand those women. I've turned down many girls in my life since they weren't the challenge enough.
Challenge is one key thing that you can see in animal world too.

As soon as you start to fit in those requirements women set on men you start to see how horny sex-biased creature a woman is. This forum is there to help you reach those requirements.
All I do these days is scan for women who show green flags, mack 'em and **** 'em. Simple as that.

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Good post.

Btw, some of the horniest people i know are women. Dont assume that just because your not getting any tail the women around you arnt either.

Originally posted by Chillisauce
Dont assume that just because your not getting any tail the women around you arnt either.

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Amen.

Perhaps I was being unclear.

The purpose of my animal examples was because people were suggesting that females had a strong sex drive, but society was oppressing it and attaching a social stigma to female sexuality. If that were the case, then female monkeys would hit on male monkeys, etc.. - which never happens.

then you admit later on that men have much more testosterone (40x! ), and don't do **** while men chase them. It looks like we're talking about the same thing - until you turn back around and suddenly say that women suddenly turn around and become sexual beasts as long as you meet certain criteria

Yes it's about a reproduction, like you said. That means men and women have different roles and thus different wants.

don't you see where this is going? Imagine sex as a commodity. If men want it much more than women do, then we have a demand-supply discrepancy. That's going to lead to exploitation, just like with gasoline and water in some countries.

With such a huge gap in motivations, there's always going to be someone getting f*cked (no pun intended). Either it's the male AFCs being strung along and used for a relationship, or it's the (low valued) women who are denied their male Provider and used for sex.

someone's gotta lose out - that's the sad part.

I don't quite get your point on that last post.


You ever heard women talk each other about men thinking nobody is listening?
They want men, men and men.

And if you want to talk about hormones, we have to keep in mind that testosterone is basically male hormone. There's also estrogen that's a female hormone affecting sexuality of females.


"Either it's the male AFCs being strung along and used for a relationship" No man is USED for a relationship! If a woman uses a guy and they are together she doesn't use him for relationship, she uses him for money, gifts, having a doormat, a shoulder to cry on etc.

it's actually quite simple...

Whoever has the most control over their emotions wins.

It just so happens, that most men these days look at women like they are litererrly goddesses to be worshiped.. of cousre you can't LJBF god

Of cousre I have been LJBF'ed before.> I ahve also LJBF'ed a girl.. ironically on accident.. I mean, I didn't like her, she was really cute, but I just didn't like her like that. Told her I wasn't interested in anything like that just wanted to be cool, and she literarly threw herself at me.

However, i'm too old for that **** now at my old and wise age of 22.

If I want to have sex with a woman, I will make it be known.. I don't have time for the LJBF games.. the only girls I LJBF, and I do from time to time, are the ones I actually want as friends with absolutly no intentions to have sex in the future

Originally posted by Hot Ice
I don't quite get your point on that last post.


You ever heard women talk each other about men thinking nobody is listening?
They want men, men and men.

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for different reasons than men want women

Originally posted by Hot Ice
And if you want to talk about hormones, we have to keep in mind that testosterone is basically male hormone. There's also estrogen that's a female hormone affecting sexuality of females.

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sexuality is sexuality, testosterone controls this sexuality and sex drive, along with aggression, etc.. the more masculine a woman is, the higher her sex drive.

Originally posted by Hot Ice
"Either it's the male AFCs being strung along and used for a relationship" No man is USED for a relationship! If a woman uses a guy and they are together she doesn't use him for relationship, she uses him for money, gifts, having a doormat, a shoulder to cry on etc.

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that's what I meant by "relationship".