number closing .....

this is the problem I have with this.. you've worked hard to build up some emotional bond between you and your girl thats great...


for 1 night stands, you've got that emotional energy STILL HOT going into whatever you do that night..She isemotionally into you...

for NUmber closes, now that emotional energy your just built up basically sizzles down as she awaits a call from you , she's thinking, and more logical, and the emotional energy basically sizzles down. This might be better for a long - term deal.

Since women are by and far more emotional creatures, it would make sense to me that having a first date as soon as possible after getting her number would be your best idea, since she's still emotionally into you irregardles of whether that makes your look like you've got time on your hands or not. I Don't think it makes that big of a deal if she finds out you've got some time to call her soon after meeting her. Just my opinion.

Any thoughts from the veterans ?

I mean this is important it does change the
entire number closing business a little.

personally, for me, number closing has been (since several months ago when I got my game together a bit), and will always continue to be, a last resort.

to be honest, i ran into a similar situation just last week. met girl at club, made out with her, we were over each other, IL seemed high that night. called her a few days later, seems like she's got low IL, and I've rolled down the hill. i PM'd ER!C L!VE, and he reminded me to fvck a.s.a.p. I really should have taken her to the car that night and banged her. It would have panned out too, but I chose to number close too early. at this point, i see number closing as premature ejection. it's like rejecting myself when i could have stayed in the game.

strike while the iron is hot, so-to-speak, as Gunwitch and many others have put it. i also subscribe to this, but still need to speed it up a bit, I still hesitate and go for number closes when not completely necessary at times.

still, to me, it's a last resort. the number close isn't the goal, getting her to want to fvck you like crazy is the goal. honestly, i think numbers are worthless. not completely, but your best bet is really to try to go as far as possible without getting a number.

i'm still working at completely kicking this habit too, it's a tough one to break.

edit: btw, with regards to the thread title, i'm a ons guy. i usually hit up the clubs once a week, and one out of 2-3 weeks i'll pull a girl home. the other weeks i'll end up in make-out sessions and i usually get stuff like, "i have to work early in the morning," stuff like that. you may find this stupid, but my mentality at the moment is, what goes on in the club, stays in the club. if i don't take her home, i rarely give a sh*t about her, though lately i've been trying to day2's off club make-outs. nothings really panned out. the only times i've gotten day2 play from club girls is when i've taken them home. and i don't always bang them when i take them home. funny thing i've noticed is actually, if you take them home and just do a lot of rough foreplay without sex, and play sort of hard to get...well for me at least, it's panned out to some good fvck buddies. but i don't do this much.

anyway, maybe somewhat off topic, but point being, take my post with a grain of salt because that's how i play the game. i don't get hung up on any one girl because i keep pretty darn busy during the week with other stuff that i don't even think about girls or sex until thursday, friday, or saturday nights when i go out. and each week i go out, i meet a new girl, so i forget about the last. it's not the most efficient way of meeting women, and i'm going to read up some of those old Player_Supreme threads and get my head screwed right to start banging some girls who are actually giving me signals lately outside of the club. but until then, that's the way i work.

and for that type of game, numbers really don't mean sh*t usually, as i've found.

edit#2: yeah, just read your reply, and you're right...doctor's office and grocery store are completely different. environment is definitely important. i think the key is you have to be able to isolate somewhere, and also you have to have pretty strong game if you can isolate and do lot's of stuff in a store or something like that. it all depends.

I hear ya, I think we stick to number closing because we might not be in the best environment to pick her up right there. Like if your at work or the doctors office, you really can't pick it right there so sometimes you basically have no choice to number close.

Well usually when we start kissing for awhile i decide whether i want one night of fuvking her our many nights with her. If i want many nights i'd stop the kissing. An keeping gaming her and then depending on how long were together that first day i'd try to lay or i'd wait until second time we meet. I find when i get her attracted and i don't get no rapport with her and i start kissing her then get the number and call she usally flakes. But if i gain rapport kiss her and then stop, gain more rapport. everything usually goes soomth.