Wednesday Night:
I had a date planned with a girl, she was to come and watch a movie with me. I *closed/#closed her on the previous Saturday night.
In setting up our date she gave me the feeling that she hadn't really done any of this before.

I rescheduled, the date feeling that I would have little chance in getting further then just kissing. I needed more time for other activities.

Here is what I am offering:

I am somewhat of a natural. This isn't the first date I've been on, I'm well adjusted in the game. But I have never tested ideas out. I've never made an effort to learn, because what I've done has always worked. I'm smart and funny, and have always got something to say.

I am giving theorists a chance to have there material field tested in a coffee shop date which is a few days away.

Give me lines and patterns to run, and I will field test as many as I can.

If this is successful, it will be recurring. Lets make it work.

As I've got other women in my life, I'm happy to completely ruin things with this girl for the learning purposes of us all.

So everything I do on this date can be pre planned.

Give me an opening intro. Patterns. Close. Hell, if you guys want, give me a location change. I'll do my best to make everything happen.

Shez. I was so excited when I saw you were the first to reply to my post. As I think you're one of the few guys who post here who is actually a chance at influencing this community in some way.
Actually, you gave me exactly that, a way of influencing the community, in the way that I too agree it should go.

Shez, FMAC.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, but for other readers.

Find.Meet.Attract.Close.

For me, the real close is the !close.

sex with target.

I found, I met, I attracted.

From this point I have closed many times.

But seduction there is a science about seduction, I'm sure you'll agree.

Remember Science class in high school? I do.

I knew that an object with balanced wheels (think matchbox car) would roll down a slope. I knew that if the incline was not steep enough, it would slow, and gradually stop.

I didn't know that the reasons for this was a combination of gravity and friction.

It was proven to me through experimentation though.

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This iFR is social experimentation. I know that my game right now, works. I do not know of anyone more successful then me with women (in real life).

My game is stagnating.

I'm getting more action then ever, but I've stopped learning.

I want to learn.

This experiment will be a success if I fail in !closing this girl.
This experiment will be a success if I !close this girl.

This experiment can only fail if I don't attempt it.

Much like a standard approach.

Now Shezzler. From you, I want a dynamite idea to use on this girl. You get preferrence. Give me something and I'll do my best to pull it off.

Hey shez, do you have some links on trance words and triangular gazing? I hear those two mentioned alot, but have no clue what they are.


FRëSHURE, goodluck with the experiment.

Originally posted by The_Shezzler
We could give you a plethora of different openers, routines and closes - but it all comes down to creating your own balance and congruence through the devising of your own game! If what you are using is working -then why change it?!?

I responded to a post by Blitz about seduction in general - heres my reply:

Originally posted by The_Shezzler

What a fine example of how seduction debates should be, i find it in my best interest to re-read these old posts rather than the modern ones that flood the boards these days, this has everything:

Great Tips
Counter Tips
Solid Structured Debate
Good Reasoning behind answers

Blitz gives us a good outline of what seduction basically is, most guys today run their game based on this blueprint, memorising patterns and routines and watching for IOI to make the correct move at the exact right time - This is a great guide to go on if you are interested in the community and seducing women in general, always try however to implement this guide into YOUR own natural structure...as Pook argues.

Naturality is key, Pook says it best when he states that "our forefathers never needed all these tips and tricks, they just did it" - spot on, for the most part - seduction is natural, it was and always should be that easy to seduce beautiful women...and it is.

Its through overanalysing and deliberating that we make seduction hard, by not following out natural train of thought and attempting to hold a natural, enjoyable conversation - we re-program ourselves to some extent to be the "social robot" that has been banded about for the past years and which came to prominent for most through the publication of "The Game". By altering out natural state to canned game, we can get desired results...but once again as Pook said - "Through ss and patterning we are metamorphing into a softened version of a man" - is this really necessary to seduce Hot women?

The answer is No - it is helpful but i cant help but feel silly and stupid everytime i tell my father about the latest technique i learned to use on the women.

My Father:You must be joking? Why do you need all these silly charades? Your a good looking guy, you've alrady had plenty of girls without the use of these patterns and lines, why change now? They may work on some women, but it all comes down to what YOU want in a women, intelligence, great body, nice face, personality. I guarantee that using those silly techniques on a women with all those traits wont get you anywhere unless you be yourself!

Me: Being myself is wrong! women want a man of value, a man who can show them a good time, following these techniques will make me become that man! I cant just be myself.

Father: Oh yea i forgot, being yourself is wrong! Jesus wake up - These guys you talk about, Mystery, Juggler, Ross Jeffries - the techniques these guys use are their own techniques! Thats why they get the results, the way to get the women is by being YOURSELF, create your own aura, step out of their game, and play your own, test out your own formula, fail like those guys did - but dont copy them, it may make you feel better, but you will not evolve in life. Be your own man, just like those guys did, just like I did!

Me: Wow - i never thought of it like that, thanks

From then on, i started implementing my own routines, things that I truly found interesting, and if they weren't interesting to the girl then so be it...I wasnt in this to be a con-artist, Ok, im not gonna lie, if i were to trick a girl into bed using someone elses routines - i would be happy...who wouldnt right? But wouldnt using my own natural routines and my own natural vibe make me feel even better? That fogginess clouding my mind that kept telling me to approach for the sake of approaching would be banished and i would be free, enjoying the conversation and the eventual escalation to sex by being me, me as i now am, not the old AFC me - asking mundane boring questions that would make the girl cry with tedium. By being the natural, free, enjoying life me - i would bring the girl into MY life, let her PAY to enjoy MY time, and along the way experience some of the most enjoyable conversations and phyisical get togethers of my early life, by creating your own game, altering your own mindset - Seduction and life in general will and is much more enjoyable than being a socialised marionette.

(heres the post in question - hope it helps)

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16753

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Halleluia! Amen! I couldn't have put it any better myself, and great advice from your dad, eh?

'cry with tedium' I feel that one.

Well put shezzler

I'm a little bit disapointed that this thread doesn't look like it'll be a success.

Shez, while I greatly appreciate your input, its not what I need right now. It is A grade, don't get me wrong. I agree with everything you said.

I have never used canned material or had pre planned conversations before. I want to see how it works, how its different to my natural game.

If things from the canned material can, for example, raise her into a sexual state, I can learn from that material and adapt the theory behind it into my natural game.

Currently, my game is basically, treat them like I treat my friends. Eg. no nervousness, you can't force talking - if there is a lull enjoy it, humor - i'm very good at getting girls laughing, kino, kissing.

These are all things I do now, I do not try and create a sexual state with my words and would like to try that. If I can see that it will help me to my goal, !close, I will adapt it naturally into my game.

From what I've read throughout the seduction community, I think I have one of the more solid games, eg. I *close most times I open - club game. I often !close. I won't bother to #close unless I've *closed, as the future dates become so much easier once you've already *closed.

If no one wants to offer some material to use, so be it. I'll come up with some pre planned stuff of my own. But I won't give a big field report detailing it. I will keep my pre planned stuff to myself.

Naturality is key, Pook says it best when he states that "our forefathers never needed all these tips and tricks, they just did it" - spot on, for the most part - seduction is natural, it was and always should be that easy to seduce beautiful women...and it is.

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However, our forefathers were living in a different time right? Women don't need us like they used to. The game has changed has it not? Just a thought.

I'd actually like to see how something like this would pan out (the OP's idea).

This is a good post, I'd like to see more like this... although I don't have anything to add, it's worthy of a bump.

Originally posted by So pimp its scary
This is a good post, I'd like to see more like this... although I don't have anything to add, it's worthy of a bump.

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Thanks.

Even though I slightly argued your point in the guy calling 8 times thread, you're actually one of about 15 guys here I respect.

So I'm glad with your input.

I truely thought there would be alot of interest in this thread.

Trying something a little bit innovative.

Its something I'd like to do more of.

I'll keep you posted with my progress.