I respect that there are always new people asking questions-- hey, it's a starting point that's as good as any.

Tactics and techniques can be helpful but remember these things just "float" on top of an already-fun-and-interesting personality.

You can't be some weirdo and expect some canned lines to work. On the other hand if you're smooth, you can make anything work.

That's why I'm always writing posts that say "hi" is the only real opener. Do you know how many ways you can say "hi"? Try it. Try saying "hi" like a jerk. Try saying it like a clown. Try saying it like a seducer. Try saying it like someone who just got punched in the stomach.

Try telling someone "I hate you" with the word "hi". Try telling someone "I love you" with the word "hi". Try telling someone "your shirt looks amazing" with the word "hi".

These things you're expressing here with a single word are called emotions. Emotions are the level on which you want to communicate. So try taking anything and having it mean anything.

I know sometimes women play games and test and do strange, illogical things. But the truth is that it's just not their fault. They are what they are: human beings. Different from men, yes. Annoying sometimes, yes. But they're not computer programs to be conquered and so long as you have that attitude you will never be a player.

People are always giving "newbie" missions like "go ask a random woman for her opinion". This is a dumb mission. The mission should be "go make a random woman FEEL GOOD." or "go make a random woman FEEL JEALOUS." or "go make a random woman FEEL SAD."

THINK. How would you do each of those? (I'm not saying you should necessarily do this to pick women up, it is just a mental exercise.) Say these out loud and try to get the emotion just right.

Feel Good: <deep, slow voice>: "Hi. <pause, slight smile> I want to tell you that you have a very... unique... style."

Feel Jealous: <everday voice> "Hey, you see that girl over there? She's really cute, don't you think? Don't you just wish you had her eyes? Seriously. Those are some enchanting eyes."

Feel Sad: <droopy voice> "Hey... you know, sometimes, in life, people just don't get what they want. Do you ever feel that way?"

Okay, maybe that's more pitiful than sad. Whatever. Emotion not words. Human beings not input-output systems.

I agree completely with what you're saying, but the problem here is there are too many KBJs. Just having a default line can help get someone off their ass and start trying in the field.

input-output systems? Haha! You mean like, finite state automata? Holy sh*t! I'm going to go design a finite state automata called 'the woman'! :woo:

*runs off*

Well the truth of the matter is, as Tyler Durden lectures, Social Dynamics are very linear.

There are many things that we have been socially programmed for, and many of them are cause-effect relationships. When combined they form what is essentially a linear program. When you change the variabes, you get a certain set of results.

There are also lots of things going on around the envoirnment that we interpret on a subtle level all the time, very quickly. Learn what they are and learn to control them in your favor and you can take advantage of this social programming and use it to gain leverage in an interaction.

A woman is a lot like a software program. All women are almost exactly the same, with very few variations, especially once you break them down into types (based on the Myers-Briggs personality system for example).

So once you have their source code and you know what things they respond to negativley and what things they respond to positivley, you can cater your behavior to make sure you're hitting more positive notes than negatives ones.

Often times the difference is in something very trivial, like phrasing your message. You don't have to be a different person with a different message, you just have to phrase it correctly.

A good example of this is how David DeAngelo says that most girls are asked "do you have a boyfriend?" and this comes from a place of lack, needyness.

A better way to ask the same question is "are you single?". Its more rare, unusual, and has the connotation that you are qualifying her rather than qualifying yourself to her. Big difference. You aren't being a different person, you are just catering your message to improve the chances of it being recieved positivley.

Same thing with public speaking. If you are addressing IT Professionals at a conference, you're going to toss in more computer jargon and technical buzzwords so that they feel like you understand them. Its about "speaking their language".

Same thing with a lot of this DJ stuff. You have to communicate that you understand women, that you are an Alpha male who doesn't need approval from them, that you have other options, and other things.

Those kinds of traits are attractive.

That's the language you have to speak.

What you say with that language is up to you, but understanding social dynamics and knowing what women are looking for in guys, you will be able to tailor your message, whatever that may be, to the audience of women, and it will help you be accepted.

Ummm, what's the "H" for?

H is for Hesus. Hesus also means Jesus.

Hesus, Jesus. See it?

Originally posted by brucevangeorge
H is for Hesus. Hesus also means Jesus.

Hesus, Jesus. See it?

Click to expand...

:crackup:

Good one...

I agree completely. Too many guys focus on learning a sh!tload of tactics, which gets them nowhere because deep down they're still losers. In order to really change, you have to completely change your core identity. You can only "figure out" how to seduce a woman to a certain extent before it does you more harm than good.

-Dan

Do you only post to crap on the whole subject of being a DJ? Seems like it.

Sometimes people are more computer than "human"

Well, for one, women are input-output systems...I can think of something I like putting in and out...

Anyway, to say women are "human" you have to explain what you mean by human. If you say women are PEOPLE then I whole heartedly agree. But people are brainwashed social systems, with sets of beliefs, norms, views, ideas, etc.

It is easy to figure out how a person is "programmed," and to use their programming to elicit desired responses from them.

The examples you give are just examples of this, giving the person input, and having them output a response. (Double click = "Hey cutie!" The program starting = "Get away from me you creep!")

Input, Output.


Emotions are REACTIONS. Reactions triggered and defined in the persons "programming."

The persons programming is what's important. It's what makes one person laugh at someone who fell down and another person run up to try and help them.


If you figure out the female's programming, then you can elicit emotional reponses from her very easily. But emotional reactions are PROGRAMMED responses, not an intrinsic ones.

(Look up 'semantic markers' for further info)

good post alpha