FORGET THE GOD DAMN OPENERS

If you want to meet the chic, go up to her and meet her. Look her in the eyes, you got notting to hide. She knows why your there. Find out who she is, wha't her name, haw old is she, what school she goes to, which part of city she is from, where did she grow up........after all you GENUENLY WANT TO MEET HER, AND GET ALONG WITH HER, RIGHT???? If a gurl thinks there is something wrong with that, and starts acting like a biatch, then, you don't want to know her in the first place, and she just saved you a whole lot of trouble and effort.....YOUR A MAN, SHE IS A WOMAN (hopefully), grab your balls and BE GENUINE. Being light and fun always helps, even with your male friends. There is no need for memorized openers, stuid opinion polls. Just go up to her and find out who she is. If you click, you won't need any caned jokes to make it light and fun, it will happen natrually. If you don't click, then you know she is not for you.....

Easier said then done for most.

The really hot girls reject damn near everyone who comes near them in a club. (she can't fvck everyone who is interested in her)

Indirect approach, mastered by Mystery & Style, is a good way to get in their without being blown out. From what I have witnessed, knocking a girl of her pedestal with backhanded compliments and then allowing her to qualify herself to you is usually one of the few ways to get in with the girl.

I do agree that, in theory, you should just be genuine. However when you are dealing with a girl who is a 9 or a 10 (or in an environment that allows her to act like a 9 or a 10) you usually must not go direct. Too many other guys do this. You are just one of fifty guys who tried that night. You become boring in her eyes.

I am not saying this in defense of 'canned openers'. I think everyone should get their own material. However the principles behind the canned openers are damn near a necessity if you want to have a chance with these types of girls.

If the girl is a 7, by all means go in being 'genuine' at first.

My pride is preventing me from aprocing women I want to meet. A way to prevent from getting hurt again. But one problem I don't have (anymore) is talking to regular people (doesn't metter if they are paid to be there or not). the secret is; YOU HONESTLY HAVE TO MAKE YOUR SELF CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND ASK QUESTIONS. doesn't metter if it's a coworker or anybody else, if they start a subject, keep it going (with in reason ofcorse) and ask questions. Same goes with women. Be genuine. Ask questions

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Comedy should not be forced. thats what women call: "TRYING TOO HARD". If she said something funny, great, if she said something dum, and you hapend to come up with a joke on the sopt, say it........and when the "more experienced guys" give you some examples, don't go memorizing them. try to see haw they did it. was it settle so she would bearly notice, was it cheesy and way cheesy worked in this situation, was it rediculis and why did that work.............

Spider_007,

You should download the Juggler archive of fastseduction.com. The guy is a conversation expert. One thing that I picked up from him was not to ask too many questions. His reason: the girl begins to feel interogated. He says 'make statements' and the girl will talk on that statement on her own accord.

If you are asking questions, keep in mind that most guys ask logical questions: where do you work?, what school do you go to?, what is your major?, etc. -These questions are boring. You should focus on questions that make her feel an emotion. Eg. What do you do for fun in your spare time?

Here is the juggler archive. (0.72Mb)
http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/archive_juggler.zip


I also recommend Mystery, and TylerDurden. Style is apparently going to be adding his archive in the list shortly.

I know this sounds dumb but, will this work on approaching High School chicks too?

That's why I avoid canned openers, routines, palm-reading, cold reads, "the cube" and all that other stuff, because it's just a crutch and a substitute for for real game.

There is one well-known guy in "the community" who does much of that stuff, but can't keep a girl for more than a few months and gets constantly heartbroken.

Originally posted by Viper
I know this sounds dumb but, will this work on approaching High School chicks too?

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In my experience (I am in my early 20's), girls didn't start to act like this (b1tch sheild) until they start going to nite clubs (legal drinking age). At this age guys get liquid courage and even the moderately hot girls become bombarded with attention from men. At first, most girls love it. Then they start to abuse their power (sh1t tests to see how much they can get away with). Then they start to get annoyed by it - hence the attitude. This is why negs and c&f (active indeference) work so will with this environment. You become the only guy who she can't walk over. She becomes intrigued. She wants to figure you out. You become like an obsession. (This is why bad boys & jerks get so much tail).

Back to your question.

In high school this isn't as apparent. Girls do not get relentlessly hit on. You will probably do better if you are the only guy who has the balls to ask her out.

Originally posted by spider_007
FORGET THE GOD DAMN OPENERS

If you want to meet the chic, go up to her and meet her. Look her in the eyes, you got notting to hide. She knows why your there. Find out who she is, wha't her name, haw old is she, what school she goes to, which part of city she is from, where did she grow up........after all you GENUENLY WANT TO MEET HER, AND GET ALONG WITH HER, RIGHT???? If a gurl thinks there is something wrong with that, and starts acting like a biatch, then, you don't want to know her in the first place, and she just saved you a whole lot of trouble and effort.....YOUR A MAN, SHE IS A WOMAN (hopefully), grab your balls and BE GENUINE. Being light and fun always helps, even with your male friends. There is no need for memorized openers, stuid opinion polls. Just go up to her and find out who she is. If you click, you won't need any caned jokes to make it light and fun, it will happen natrually. If you don't click, then you know she is not for you.....

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Enough said. I second everything!