I wanted to start my DJ forum entree off with a conversation I had with a veriified, pretty-young-thing.

I asked her some questions we all have asked ourselves at one point or another. Note that I exagerated my fear of women to come off as the worse-ofthe-worst type.

These are real tips, from a real woman. Ive spoken with her on the phone /seen many cam times to verify this. LOL


ME: (12:40:57 AM): hey
ME: (12:41:01 AM): I need your help
ME: (12:41:09 AM): really, really bad
HER: (12:41:24 AM): what
ME: (12:41:33 AM): I need help understanding women
ME: (12:41:42 AM): I'm really confused
ME: (12:42:25 AM): Some people say that nice guys finish last others say that women want nice guys
HER: (12:42:41 AM): so whats your issue
ME: (12:42:45 AM): What I am wondering is this: Do girls say they want one thing but then go for another?
ME: (12:43:11 AM): Ie do women recommend nice guys to their friends, say they want nice guys, but then realy go for jerks
ME: (12:43:18 AM): Think about your own life
ME: (12:43:27 AM): and who u usually end up selecting
ME: (12:43:36 AM): I really need to know the unbiased truth
HER: (12:44:11 AM): i end up selecting the nice guy that was only nice enough to get in my pants, then am all pissed off even though i knew that all men just want sex and should have known better
ME: (12:45:19 AM): Why do you select
ME: (12:45:24 AM): the guys that u do?
ME: (12:45:35 AM): Is it just because they approach you?
ME: (12:45:42 AM): What makes the difference
HER: (12:45:49 AM): cause they are normally friends or guys that my friends like
ME: (12:46:09 AM): why do you care who your friends like?
ME: (12:46:15 AM): not being intrusive
ME: (12:46:18 AM): Im just curious
ME: (12:46:23 AM): because I heard that before
HER: (12:48:14 AM): no no i normally end up going for people that they like
ME: (12:48:25 AM): but why?
HER: (12:49:09 AM): cause i figured that if they like em that be must be a decent guy and they did all the work to find him then I just movie for the kill
ME: (12:49:22 AM): lol
ME: (12:49:33 AM): OK so tell me this
ME: (12:49:40 AM): if there were two identical guys
ME: (12:49:55 AM): One said, Hi, Im Jim. What's your name"
ME: (12:49:57 AM): and one said
ME: (12:50:31 AM): "Hey baby , damn you look fine. If I had access to an ass like that, I'd be a crackhead"
ME: (12:50:34 AM): Honest answer
ME: (12:50:41 AM): which is more appealing
HER: (12:50:48 AM): the one that just says hello
ME: (12:51:57 AM): See
ME: (12:52:06 AM): Im trying to improve my skills with the ladies
ME: (12:52:14 AM): but the thing is everything is so conflicting
ME: (12:52:28 AM): One "expert" says hug trees and wear women's undies
ME: (12:52:50 AM): Another "expert" says to rub deer urine on i morning and pound your chest infront of women
HER: (12:53:56 AM): your funny
HER: (12:54:11 AM): girls are alot more simple than you are making it
ME: (12:55:02 AM): please break it down for me
ME: (12:55:07 AM): dont assume I know anything
ME: (12:55:14 AM): because anything I think is probably wrong
ME: (12:55:19 AM): ud do me the biggest favor
ME: (12:55:22 AM): in the world
ME: (12:55:28 AM): to just tell me the honest to god truth
ME: (12:55:35 AM): about what it means to be a woman
HER: (12:55:39 AM): lol
ME: (12:55:40 AM): and how women think about men
HER: (12:56:01 AM): respect
HER: (12:56:16 AM): unless you are a hooker and want a guy to only use you for sex
HER: (12:56:42 AM): trust
HER: (12:56:44 AM): honesty
ME: (12:56:47 AM): tell me the whole thing, I seriously dont know this stuff
HER: (12:56:48 AM): loyalty
HER: (12:57:19 AM): a best friend
ME: (12:57:39 AM): How do women select men? How do you determine these things?
HER: (12:58:08 AM): well women are stupid sometimes and just go for looks thinking they might be nice guys but they arent most of the time
HER: (12:58:50 AM): but that only last about 3 months then we realize that it is a waste of time and we go for the nice guy
ME: (12:59:03 AM): If you were in my shoes
ME: (12:59:05 AM): a single guy
ME: (12:59:13 AM): how would you look for and approach women
ME: (12:59:20 AM): from the standpoint of getting results
HER: (1:00:24 AM): being nice, not talking about anything sexual, just hang out, pretend that you dont really want her
ME: (1:01:09 AM): ok now explain the pretend that I dont really want her
ME: (1:01:18 AM): if I act like I dont want her, how do I get her?
HER: (1:03:38 AM): act interested but leave right before you would ask her out that way she knows your interested, but girls will respond better if you arent all over them
ME: (1:11:19 AM): hehe ok
ME: (1:11:24 AM): one other thing
ME: (1:11:30 AM): I want to meet women
ME: (1:11:34 AM): but I HATE dancing
HER: (1:11:37 AM): ok
ME: (1:11:44 AM): I mean I absolutely dislike it to the extreme
HER: (1:11:54 AM): lol women like to dance
ME: (1:11:57 AM): that seems to be the only place women go looking for guys tho
HER: (1:12:08 AM): and love a guy that can dance or at least will try
ME: (1:12:17 AM): can u think of anywhere else I could try meeting women
HER: (1:12:19 AM): no we are looking everywhere
HER: (1:13:16 AM): anywhere the mall, grocery store, beach, getting gas, anywhere
ME: (1:13:25 AM): yea but tuth be told
ME: (1:13:31 AM): I dont have he balls to apprach a woman
ME: (1:13:33 AM): in the store
ME: (1:13:36 AM): I've tried
ME: (1:13:45 AM): it's as bad as dancing
HER: (1:14:01 AM): just do it, thats all it will take
HER: (1:14:07 AM): a video store
ME: (1:14:11 AM): what if she doesnt like me though?
ME: (1:14:19 AM): are they going to laugh at me?
ME: (1:14:21 AM): yell at me?
ME: (1:14:39 AM): Im like totally scared of women
HER: (1:14:41 AM): no
ME: (1:15:03 AM): Actually I think most guys are
ME: (1:15:07 AM): I see it all the time
ME: (1:15:16 AM): guys stand around instead of dancing
ME: (1:15:22 AM): or approaching women
ME: (1:15:27 AM): I know they want to
ME: (1:15:33 AM): yet they stand around like I do
ME: (1:15:40 AM): waiting for some magical momment
ME: (1:15:46 AM): when it will all be so much easier
ME: (1:15:50 AM): and then it never happens
HER: (1:16:18 AM): lol just do it
HER: (1:16:24 AM): ask her to a movie of lunch
HER: (1:16:29 AM): just do it
ME: (1:16:37 AM): do u think it will really work?
ME: (1:16:46 AM): how do I know which girl to ask?
HER: (1:16:54 AM): YES
ME: (1:17:03 AM): do u think these is any chance she'll yell at me infront of everyone?
HER: (1:17:24 AM): the one that looks at you for 2 seconds, and happens to follow you alittle bit
ME: (1:17:42 AM): what if they think Im staring at them?
ME: (1:18:13 AM): I was thinking about hiring a girl to talk to girls for me
HER: (1:18:13 AM): dude dont stare like stalker stare and when you look at them look in their eyes not their body
ME: (1:18:30 AM): u know say to like go up to girls
ME: (1:18:33 AM): and say I like them
ME: (1:18:38 AM): and see if they like me too
ME: (1:18:48 AM): that doesnt scare me nearly as bad
HER: (1:18:56 AM): i dont like when guys do that
ME: (1:19:01 AM): really? why?
HER: (1:19:14 AM): if they dont have the balls to talk to me face to face then i am not going to bother
ME: (1:19:47 AM): so if you're in the store
ME: (1:19:56 AM): and some guy comes up and talks to you
ME: (1:20:02 AM): are u going to talk
ME: (1:20:04 AM): or call security
ME: (1:20:06 AM): or what?
HER: (1:20:38 AM): depends on what he says and if he is a personal space invader
ME: (1:20:56 AM): Arms length you mean
ME: (1:20:58 AM): or what
ME: (1:21:09 AM): what should he say to be successful?
HER: (1:22:38 AM): ok here is a good example you see a girl looking at movies, casually walk over look at the movie she is looking at say "thats a good movie i really liked, the ending was really good" she will most likely be like hey thanks i have been wanting to see that
HER: (1:22:53 AM): then proceed to talk about movies and if you like to go to the theater or see them at home
HER: (1:23:38 AM): mention that you are always watching them alone
HER: (1:24:05 AM): then if it goes well say hey if you ever want to watch a movie and hang out give me a call
ME: (1:24:33 AM): cool
ME: (1:24:35 AM): thanks
ME: (1:24:48 AM): Im going to try that tomorrow
ME: (1:24:54 AM): on at least 3 women
ME: (1:24:59 AM): Im making myself a pledge
ME: (1:25:04 AM): that I have to communicate
ME: (1:25:07 AM): on some level
ME: (1:25:14 AM): with three non-relatives/coworkers
ME: (1:25:17 AM): everyday
ME: (1:25:44 AM): The pain from not following through is even worse than being rejected
ME: (1:25:56 AM): it's just Im so afraid to approach women
ME: (1:26:00 AM): that's the problem
ME: (1:26:27 AM): and then women always dump me when I do get them
ME: (1:26:33 AM): I think its cuz of how I act
HER: (1:26:58 AM): rejection isnt that bad
ME: (1:27:10 AM): Im more afroad of approaching the women
ME: (1:27:15 AM): than the rejection
ME: (1:27:23 AM): I always feel like everyone thinks iM stupid
ME: (1:27:27 AM): or like I dont belong there
ME: (1:27:29 AM): and stuff
HER: (1:27:54 AM): i have to go to bed
ME: (1:27:58 AM): ok
HER: (1:28:09 AM): hope you got all this relationship crap worked out
ME: (1:28:10 AM): hey my friend has the same problem
ME: (1:28:17 AM): can I share your suggestions with him
ME: (1:28:18 AM): >
HER: (1:28:27 AM): sure
ME: (1:28:33 AM): we're both having the same issue
ME: (1:28:37 AM): and we're trying to solve it
HER: (1:28:42 AM): ok
ME: (1:28:48 AM): If this doesnt work
ME: (1:28:54 AM): Im going to have to get on medication
ME: (1:29:03 AM): so if u think of anything that might help
ME: (1:29:06 AM): please let me know
HER: (1:29:22 AM): you will do just fine if you dont use any cheesy pick up line thata comes to you lil head

I just read your subsequent thread on how you put your plan into action... and got pulled over by the cops. If you're ever at a point where you're comfortable and successful in relationships with women, you are going to have a DAMNED funny story to tell. Nobody will believe you ever did that. It's nothing bad, it's just innocent and funny. You come across as a good person, a quintessential nice guy. You are just hypersensitive to rejection, apparently from everyone.

I'm going to warn you about this site. There is some helpful content, but it tends to work best when you have at least partially overcome your social fears. Your friend gave you some good advice and some bad advice, but the most obvious thing she left out was confidence. Women love confidence. Until we develop confidence, we are not going to be able to enjoy many of the tools available on this site. In the meanwhile, look out for women bashing posts. Believe it or not there are a few of them on here. It's one thing to be affraid of women, but it's much worse to be affraid of women while being angry and looking down on them. Don't allow women bashing posts to influence your thoughts and feelings.

Otherwise, welcome aboard and good luck.