AlwaysExcel
Senior Don Juan
GEEKY PREFACE
I’ve been thinking about how to improve my cold approach skills lately. When I first started studying this stuff, I had a major misconception about the game. From reading successful stories, it seemed like a person just had to use the right technique and BAM! the girl would go from cold to hot.
Yet, the canned material out there seemed way too complicated and too much to memorize. So I focused on a more “natural” style. This is working really well with social circle hook ups but sucks with cold approaches. My natural game with cold approaches consisted of situational openers. These openers are severely limited to my ability to quickly pick out something in the environment to talk about AND make it interesting. I’ve definitely progressed in this area. It honed my observational and humor skills but it wasn’t sufficient to open every hottie with. Also, I found that I was clueless on how to transition out of these openers and usually ended up ejecting or getting numbers too soon. This problem enabled me to chicken out of opening people because I couldn’t think of what I would say after the opener.
NEW OPENER AND STRUCTURE
So it was clear that I needed more structured game when doing cold approaches. I came up with an opinion opener based on a classic topic that seduction nerds use to mentally masturbate. ;p I ask what girls are attracted to most, the sophisticated debonair George Clooney type or the rowdy hunky Vin Diesel type. (Somehow, coming up with my own material feels more satisfying, even though I use other people’s routines too.) At first, I found that even with this cool opener I was still scared to open even UG’s! The fundamental problem all along was simply being a pvssy!
Finally I forced myself to try this opener on a hot older woman. The opener caught her interest like it was supposed to but I stalled out because I was using it the wrong way. I expected her to become instantly interested and start asking me questions after I used this magical opener. I hadn’t thought about using the opener in tandem with other tools to progress the encounter along.
By the way, this “magic tech” mindset was a major problem for me in other areas of seduction. I’m convinced that this mindset is behind my overdoing the C&F combative frame. When I started using C&F, I was amazed at the reactions I got from girls and thought that I’d discovered that perfect tech that makes girls go from cold to hot. Unfortunately, this tech was all I had and I blew myself out a lot with girls who were VERY interested in me. We couldn’t connect because all I did was C&F.
Back to openers. I thought about different things I could transition to from my new opener like eliciting her values, cold reads, disqualifiers, stories etc. I also came up with different versions of the opener like switching Jude Law for George Clooney for younger chicks (some young girl told me she isn’t attracted to Clooney), switching out Hispanic and black celebs when talking to hispanic and black chicks.
WEEKEND ADVENTURE
I visited a friend out of town this weekend and worked on my opener a bit more in the field. It became way easier to just throw myself into sets once I had a seduction outline and an idea of what I wanted to insert into the convos.
I opened a couple sets at my friend’s art exhibition. The opener caught the girls’ attention fine but my transitions and follow up was still rough and I made no closes. Interestingly, some girls pick one type of guy, some waffle (“It just depends”), some say neither, and some can’t come up with an answer. I noted this for follow ups.
After the exhibition I got into a good mood by flirting with random girls on the way back to my friend’s house. Then we partied for a bit. One of the sets I approached at the exhibition showed up. My friend told me they had asked about me Unfortunately, I blew myself out with too much C&F again and they left! Still haven’t entirely rid myself of that frame. It’s a bad habit. Then I had more fun, grabbing girls (the few girls that were there), making them dance, and spinning them around.
AT THE BAR
As we rolled past Midnight, my friends with GF’s were wasted and wanted to turn in. The pickings were slim so I went out to the bar with my buddy’s AFC friends. They started talking to some folks they knew so I scanned the bar and left them. My first approach was a lone wolf giving me EC. I opened with my favorite bar situational opener—“why are you sitting here all by your lonesome?” Then I moved it along with my new opinion opener. We talked for awhile but she ended up leaving me even though I kept trying to persist. I’m not sure what went wrong.
I went to the bar to get a water and saw my second and last set, HBNaughtybrunette and HBsweetblond walking past talking to each other. Without thinking, I opened them with my Vin Diesel/Jude Law question. They were interested and had varying opinions of course. I then gave them mini-cold reads off of these opinions, which got them giggly and talking about each other like friends do.
I can’t recall the exact details but the brunette moved on after awhile and I kept talking to the blond. I watched her attention dip and spike. Normally, I would eject when I saw the attention dip but I wanted to see how far I could go. I kept telling her true stories from my interesting life, being playful and funny, and generally bringing the energy and attention level back up again. Much thanks to Mystery for those old posts about developing interesting stories about yourself.
I found out that she lived only about an hour from me, which was another good reason to keep talking to her (this bar was 3 hours from my town). I purposely assumed that we would get together in the future and asked her to qualify herself based on this assumption—“So what do you do for fun in your town? I don’t want to be bored when I come kick it with you. You have to show me a good time.” The funny thing is that we didn’t even agree to hang out yet but she didn’t point this out. I also moved her to qualify herself on other stuff too. Finally, I did the Swinggcat adventurous qualifier test. She didn’t really answer the question and looked down shyly. I moved in and kissed her at the bar with no resistance.
ISOLATION
Then her friend came back and distracted her again. I realized it was time to isolate. I said that I wanted to see more of this town and she should show me around the other bars. She told her friend that she would meet her later and we went to another bar, arm in arm.
THE HOOK
I kept up with the funny interesting story telling and soon her attention stopped wandering. She started asking me about myself. She got really excited about my awesome job, especially when I told her some of the racy stuff I’ve had to do. She finally zeroed in on me and brought her face really close to mine while laughing. I told her that my lips were getting lonely for hers and we kissed again. I can’t remember if I did this before or after I started seeing a lot of IOI’s.
I work in the legal field and we got to talking about the Scott Peterson case. She said that she thought he was probably guilty but didn’t think the prosecution put on enough evidence to convict him. I qualified the hell out of her for this because most PEOPLE, let alone emotional girls, don’t think like this.
I’ve been thinking about how to improve my cold approach skills lately. When I first started studying this stuff, I had a major misconception about the game. From reading successful stories, it seemed like a person just had to use the right technique and BAM! the girl would go from cold to hot.
Yet, the canned material out there seemed way too complicated and too much to memorize. So I focused on a more “natural” style. This is working really well with social circle hook ups but sucks with cold approaches. My natural game with cold approaches consisted of situational openers. These openers are severely limited to my ability to quickly pick out something in the environment to talk about AND make it interesting. I’ve definitely progressed in this area. It honed my observational and humor skills but it wasn’t sufficient to open every hottie with. Also, I found that I was clueless on how to transition out of these openers and usually ended up ejecting or getting numbers too soon. This problem enabled me to chicken out of opening people because I couldn’t think of what I would say after the opener.
NEW OPENER AND STRUCTURE
So it was clear that I needed more structured game when doing cold approaches. I came up with an opinion opener based on a classic topic that seduction nerds use to mentally masturbate. ;p I ask what girls are attracted to most, the sophisticated debonair George Clooney type or the rowdy hunky Vin Diesel type. (Somehow, coming up with my own material feels more satisfying, even though I use other people’s routines too.) At first, I found that even with this cool opener I was still scared to open even UG’s! The fundamental problem all along was simply being a pvssy!
Finally I forced myself to try this opener on a hot older woman. The opener caught her interest like it was supposed to but I stalled out because I was using it the wrong way. I expected her to become instantly interested and start asking me questions after I used this magical opener. I hadn’t thought about using the opener in tandem with other tools to progress the encounter along.
By the way, this “magic tech” mindset was a major problem for me in other areas of seduction. I’m convinced that this mindset is behind my overdoing the C&F combative frame. When I started using C&F, I was amazed at the reactions I got from girls and thought that I’d discovered that perfect tech that makes girls go from cold to hot. Unfortunately, this tech was all I had and I blew myself out a lot with girls who were VERY interested in me. We couldn’t connect because all I did was C&F.
Back to openers. I thought about different things I could transition to from my new opener like eliciting her values, cold reads, disqualifiers, stories etc. I also came up with different versions of the opener like switching Jude Law for George Clooney for younger chicks (some young girl told me she isn’t attracted to Clooney), switching out Hispanic and black celebs when talking to hispanic and black chicks.
WEEKEND ADVENTURE
I visited a friend out of town this weekend and worked on my opener a bit more in the field. It became way easier to just throw myself into sets once I had a seduction outline and an idea of what I wanted to insert into the convos.
I opened a couple sets at my friend’s art exhibition. The opener caught the girls’ attention fine but my transitions and follow up was still rough and I made no closes. Interestingly, some girls pick one type of guy, some waffle (“It just depends”), some say neither, and some can’t come up with an answer. I noted this for follow ups.
After the exhibition I got into a good mood by flirting with random girls on the way back to my friend’s house. Then we partied for a bit. One of the sets I approached at the exhibition showed up. My friend told me they had asked about me Unfortunately, I blew myself out with too much C&F again and they left! Still haven’t entirely rid myself of that frame. It’s a bad habit. Then I had more fun, grabbing girls (the few girls that were there), making them dance, and spinning them around.
AT THE BAR
As we rolled past Midnight, my friends with GF’s were wasted and wanted to turn in. The pickings were slim so I went out to the bar with my buddy’s AFC friends. They started talking to some folks they knew so I scanned the bar and left them. My first approach was a lone wolf giving me EC. I opened with my favorite bar situational opener—“why are you sitting here all by your lonesome?” Then I moved it along with my new opinion opener. We talked for awhile but she ended up leaving me even though I kept trying to persist. I’m not sure what went wrong.
I went to the bar to get a water and saw my second and last set, HBNaughtybrunette and HBsweetblond walking past talking to each other. Without thinking, I opened them with my Vin Diesel/Jude Law question. They were interested and had varying opinions of course. I then gave them mini-cold reads off of these opinions, which got them giggly and talking about each other like friends do.
I can’t recall the exact details but the brunette moved on after awhile and I kept talking to the blond. I watched her attention dip and spike. Normally, I would eject when I saw the attention dip but I wanted to see how far I could go. I kept telling her true stories from my interesting life, being playful and funny, and generally bringing the energy and attention level back up again. Much thanks to Mystery for those old posts about developing interesting stories about yourself.
I found out that she lived only about an hour from me, which was another good reason to keep talking to her (this bar was 3 hours from my town). I purposely assumed that we would get together in the future and asked her to qualify herself based on this assumption—“So what do you do for fun in your town? I don’t want to be bored when I come kick it with you. You have to show me a good time.” The funny thing is that we didn’t even agree to hang out yet but she didn’t point this out. I also moved her to qualify herself on other stuff too. Finally, I did the Swinggcat adventurous qualifier test. She didn’t really answer the question and looked down shyly. I moved in and kissed her at the bar with no resistance.
ISOLATION
Then her friend came back and distracted her again. I realized it was time to isolate. I said that I wanted to see more of this town and she should show me around the other bars. She told her friend that she would meet her later and we went to another bar, arm in arm.
THE HOOK
I kept up with the funny interesting story telling and soon her attention stopped wandering. She started asking me about myself. She got really excited about my awesome job, especially when I told her some of the racy stuff I’ve had to do. She finally zeroed in on me and brought her face really close to mine while laughing. I told her that my lips were getting lonely for hers and we kissed again. I can’t remember if I did this before or after I started seeing a lot of IOI’s.
I work in the legal field and we got to talking about the Scott Peterson case. She said that she thought he was probably guilty but didn’t think the prosecution put on enough evidence to convict him. I qualified the hell out of her for this because most PEOPLE, let alone emotional girls, don’t think like this.
