Hey all,

Ive been reading xblitz44x's post named 'Understanding www.seducingwomen101.com' (http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42813) and after reading it, it has left massive doubt in my mind whether the advice on this website is as good as we all think it is!

Sure, some of it is gold and really helps but a big point blitz44 made was that with girls if attraction is there in the first place, no matter what you do (extremities aside), or how AFC it is, the girl will still be attracted to you! IF you act DJ, maybe the attraction will grow, but if theres no attraction there in the first place, no matter how many DJ techniques/tricks you come out with - youre gone my friend!

Is it just luck you need?

I actually feel a bit down after reading blitz44's post. After being on this website for about 8 months, its become a second home to me, comforting me when i needed someone to talk to, and telling me how i should deal with that HB9 in my time of need.

True, ive learned a lot, but does it actually work?! Is the only thing u need when it comes to girls attraction? IF thats the case, then how does all this DJ stuff come into play?

One more thing, why does blitz have 977 (last count) posts to his name if he thinks this site isnt worthwhile?

Please restore my faith in this site fellas, coz i really wanna believe that it is gold...

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this site has been a a fall for a while.

But, that is only because of the people who are active.

The information is so-so, it's not actually bad. It's the lack of experience that hurts this site. It's odd, how can the level of experience decrease in time? theoretically, the older the site - the more experienced you would expect the members to become.

WRONG

Nobody does jack sh!t and that's the truth. If only 10% of this site would actually stop sitting in front of this screen and actually go out and EXPERIENCE instead of doing mental calculations and hypothesis, this board would be better then what it was back in 2000.

It's the lack of experience. People talk about theories and fantasies, less then a handfull of members actually talk about what they experience. That's the first step...

the second step is to actually experience ENOUGH, to be giving out advices to others.

The basics are all here, I still don't understand why there are discussions about 'does she like me'? bull.

Members should know the basics and then GO THE FUKK OUT!!! Then come back here and discuss.

It's your opinion that counts, not Blitz's. Blitz's opinion counts to him. If this site's helped you then it's helped you, and nothing anyone else says changes that.

Gold is more rare than dirt, so here, like anywhere else, there's a lot of dirt and some gold.

Hello Silver,

I agree with basically with BP.

A few more things. As said often before, this site is not so much about learning techniques, but about learning to change the way you think. But the transition has to start somewhere. Take for example the 4 day rule for calling (Survivor had some good post on that topic). For sure it does not raise the IL if you do not call for a couple of days. But it does something different. You will slowly incorporate the idea, that a woman is not so important in your life. Before you devote more time to her, SHE has to proove that she is worth it. Or take the classical shyt tests...First one does not take **** from woman because one has read it in the bible, but after a while one incorporates this behaviour and realizes that there is enough value in oneself not to take shyt, because nobody is worth that. You do not call her on her shyt, because that is they way to keep her, but because that is your way of living (this goes a little bit in line with fake it till you make it...).

And if you have basically changed yourself, you do not need any seduction, because the woman is allready seduced the moment she sees you or begins to talk to you (I guess that is what Blitz meant). Some techniques will always help (especially to get around the ASD...), but in the end it is not the techniques which will give you the success.

Hope that helps...

Let me give you an anecdote from my days as a hi-fi salesman.

A colleague sold a stereo to a doubtful customer by using every technique in the book - bait and switch, trial closes, overcoming objections, you name it.

Next day the customer brought the stereo back and demanded a refund because the stereo wasn't suitable.

'Then why did you buy it?' asked my colleague.

'You just talked me into it!' came the reply.

What I'm trying to say is that ultimately you can't MAKE a woman find you attractive by applying 'DJ techniques' unless there is something inherently attractive about you in the first place.

This site, as I see it, is about making the most of that inherent attraction and abolishing as many obstacles in your way as possible - low self confidence, oneitis, and the inability to deal with flakes etc.

As they said...
Less experience, lately it's just talking about theories and specific situations. I believe that for specific situations you should act on your own, regardless of other people's advice because now a days, they are prolly AFC.
People need to understand that they can be put in the big boys playground but they have to earn the right to talk there.
When you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about, just shut up! That's what I do. When I know I don't have enough experience to talk, I STFU! Take a hint people.

Its absolutely true that the chick has to feel some attraction to you at the beginning before anything can happen. You are not going to "DJ" her into anything if she is grossed out by you. That is just common sense.

And there are those rare girls who, for whatever reason, just have the extreme hots for you. You can fvck up multiple times with her and she will still be all over your bone.

BUT:

1. Those chicks are extremely rare. How many women have you met in your life versus how many were all up on you like this. Maybe one or two for every hundred.

2. This rare chick may want you but chances are you are not attracted to her. She is most likely an UG. If I made a move on any HB6 around the block, she would do everything in her power to stay with me. But 6's just do not turn me on.

3. You can make multiple mistakes with those girls that are really into you. But there is always a breaking point. You can "AFC" a chick (versus "DJ" a chick) for about two months before she gets sick of you or starts banging some other dude instead.

Attraction is key to women. You simply have to pass:

1. her physical attraction test first, you have to turn her on;

- but then you have to pass

2. her "is he worth at least a few get-togethers" test;

- and then,

3. her "is he fvckable" test;

- and then,

4. her "is he worth having as a BF" test ;

- etc. etc.

Some people think that just No. 1 is good enough.

I say it doesn't get you very far down the list if you aren't doing the other things right. Either that or she is just an UG.

Of course there has to be attraction in the first place, but even if a chick digs u, believe me, u can still fucc it up easily(talkin out of experience here..).Dont mean to say all those "DJ techniques" are so important. You probably could do without most of them. But I guess this site has taught u to not be too clingy and be or at least pretend to be confident...in otherwords to act like a man.
Besides Im pretty sure I won this one chick over by my ****y & funny attitude lol

It's true. Before I found this site, the concept of a 'neg hit' meant about as much to me as quantum physics would to a neanderthal. It was simply beyond my comprehension.

Similarly with oneitis....although I knew of men who 'played the field', there was no way I would even consider dating more than one woman at a time. I would fix my sights on a girl and decide she was 'the one' then get blown out or worse still, be accepted but find she wasn't 'the one' and be devastated, then repeat the process endlessly.

So yeah, this site can teach you a lot.

You have to read between the lines at this site.
The message that keeps popping up is be a man. Don't put up with bs etc etc etc. Don't treat her like gold.... Pook's post sum this up real well. read Weapons of Mass seduction. It is the greatest read on this site along with Pook's stuff.

True dat.

For every brilliant and insightful post on this forum, there are about twenty others either saying 'this checkout girl at the supermarket said thank you, is she interested in me - ps she has a boyfriend' or 'how do I get da beyotch to take it in the azz on da first date' etc.

Sigh.

Originally posted by silverwex
Hey all,

Ive been reading xblitz44x's post named 'Understanding www.seducingwomen101.com' (http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42813) and after reading it, it has left massive doubt in my mind whether the advice on this website is as good as we all think it is!

Sure, some of it is gold and really helps but a big point blitz44 made was that with girls if attraction is there in the first place, no matter what you do (extremities aside), or how AFC it is, the girl will still be attracted to you! IF you act DJ, maybe the attraction will grow, but if theres no attraction there in the first place, no matter how many DJ techniques/tricks you come out with - youre gone my friend!

Is it just luck you need?

I actually feel a bit down after reading blitz44's post. After being on this website for about 8 months, its become a second home to me, comforting me when i needed someone to talk to, and telling me how i should deal with that HB9 in my time of need.

True, ive learned a lot, but does it actually work?! Is the only thing u need when it comes to girls attraction? IF thats the case, then how does all this DJ stuff come into play?

One more thing, why does blitz have 977 (last count) posts to his name if he thinks this site isnt worthwhile?

Please restore my faith in this site fellas, coz i really wanna believe that it is gold...

Discuss...

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I read xblitz44x's post that you linked to above.

I know xblitz is well-respected around here. He's been here a long time, appears to have lots of experience, gives good advice, and tells the truth as he sees it.

But, before I read his post, I didn't think I'd agree with it. In recent posts I've got the impression he has forgotten how damn frustrating, annoying, and selfish women can be.

A guy just comming here on some level realizes that, but if he admits that, almost everyone will acuse him of being a "wimp", a "loser", "bitter", etc., so he forces the obvious conclusion out of his mind.

I did take a look at the seducingwomen101 site, and found it unreadable. The parts that were readable reminded me of all the unreasonably high expectations and unfair double standards women hold men to. His support for a site like that somewhat reduced the credibility of his opinions, at least for me.

(I would love to post some examples, but Destini9 thinks her writing is so valuable, that she has used JavaScript to prevent copying and pasting quotes. I don't have the time or energy to get around it.)

But, I did read his entire post, and I can't find anything I disagree with.

he wrote:

I could go on and on but I won't. I'm too tired. The bottom line is that us, and the AFC above (pre-sosuave) days are no better. We are BOTH doing things that we perceive women will be attracted to. You can try to blabber on about "this site isn't about girls, it's about self-improvement" but get real. Look at the General Forum. Anything that ISN'T about girls is "off-topic". An AFC might think giving flowers is a way to get chicks, a DJ might think challenge is a way to get chicks. Both are doing things outside of themselves in the name of impressing women. Which is better than the other? They are both the same.

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Xblitz44x hit the nail on the head with this.

It is this mindset--that your SOLE reason for existing on this planet, is to impress women, that causes the downfall of 99.99% of men.

It is that mindset, that causes you to beat yourself to a pulp emotionally, when a chick rejects you.

It is also this useless mindset that virtually everyone unconsciously accepts as "reality."

The fundamental truth is that no one can make anyone else do ANYTHING. You can't MAKE a girl attracted to you, because it is IMPOSSIBLE. You can only create a situation where your strong points show up.

And the typical situations men try to pick up women in, are so stacked against the man, it is silly to take failure there seriously.

So, when a chick fails to accept your advances, IT PROBABLY ISN'T YOUR FAULT! I'd say 90% of the time, you can go about the approach in a completely normal fashion, and the woman, because of her own psychological issues, or even temoporary state, will reject you.

Now what does rejection mean? It means whatever YOU think it means.

THAT is the point I think Xblitz is trying to get across. If you forget about it, you will be fine. If you dwell on failure, think about what you did "wrong", try to "improve your technique" etc., you will only drive yourself crazy.

If you use these techniques to "control women" you are sadly mistaken.

If you use these techniques to trick yourself into controling YOUR own interest level, and the importance you place on any particular woman, then these "techniques" are valuable.

I think the first step is to realize just how little power you have, as a man, in the world today, when it comes to dealing with women. There is very little you can control. The ONLY thing you can control, is your reaction to events. And in the dating game, that is the only control you need.

Originally posted by silverwex
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Sup dude

Ive been reading xblitz44x's post named 'Understanding www.seducingwomen101.com' (http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42813) and after reading it, it has left massive doubt in my mind whether the advice on this website is as good as we all think it is!

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There are some problems with the destini's site:

total lack of organization
extremely abstract - no models of behaviour, no psychological basis for the ideas
It's been written by one woman only, who's not married and for some reason has tons of free time to print her rubbish
The site was started with the goal of opposing the DJ movement - destini has found this site and first posted her crap here, then put it on her website.

Sure, some of it is gold and really helps but a big point blitz44 made was that with girls if attraction is there in the first place, no matter what you do (extremities aside), or how AFC it is, the girl will still be attracted to you! IF you act DJ, maybe the attraction will grow, but if theres no attraction there in the first place, no matter how many DJ techniques/tricks you come out with - youre gone my friend!

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In that case xblitz isn't much of a DJ

What he described is the conventional dating game or the "number theory". In other words you ask every girl:

"let's fvck" *slap! NEXT
"let's fvck" *slap! NEXT
"let's fvck" *slap! NEXT
"let's fvck" *slap! NEXT
"let's fvck" *slap! NEXT
"let's fvck" "ok" woohoo - and you get a girl

This method is primitive and doesn't yield good results.

Is it just luck you need?

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No. You need a better understanding of the game and its concepts.

People are rarely attracted to you by yourself even if you're a 10 in looks. They need to see you in action.

Imagine 2 sitations:

You're an HB_9.637234 and walk into a party room. You notice a a few people, suddently a BLOKE who's been sitting by himself walks up to you and starts talking about something or asking you to dance. He's inerested and is hitting on you, but:

You're not interested in him.


The second scenario:

You're the same HB_9.637234 and walk into a party room. You see a group of 6 and the same BLOKE is chatting up the group. The people laugh at his jokes and he's the center of attention. Suddently the HB feels curious about the BLOKE and wants to find out more. 2 more girls walk in, walk up to the bloke and give him a kiss on the cheek and act all happy to see him. The HB is really curious already.

Then the bloke gets up and talks not to the HB, but to her friend who's not as good of a looker as she is. HB feels jelous and tries to get the attention to herself. The BLOKE gives her attention, but HB is confused. The BLOKE isn't hitting on her like 10 other guys that day. He's just being polite with her.

This upsets the HB and she tries to pursue the BLOKE. Of course this is what the BLOKE wanted from the beginning.

I am the BLOKE and I've seen guys from this site work it similarly and it worked. That's why I only gave destini's site about an hour of my time.

I actually feel a bit down after reading blitz44's post. After being on this website for about 8 months, its become a second home to me, comforting me when i needed someone to talk to, and telling me how i should deal with that HB9 in my time of need.

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So what's the problem. You still have the HB9s to work on.

True, ive learned a lot, but does it actually work?! Is the only thing u need when it comes to girls attraction? IF thats the case, then how does all this DJ stuff come into play?

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You need to build up social proff
You need to learn to hide the anxiety
You need to learn to neg-hit
You need to learn how to dominate a party

Once you do that, you'll find that ALL the girls there are gonna be intrested in you.

One more thing, why does blitz have 977 (last count) posts to his name if he thinks this site isnt worthwhile?

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I think he's been here for 10+ years

Please restore my faith in this site fellas, coz i really wanna believe that it is gold...

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It works for me and for 2 other guys I've seen.

Chicks love us, but it took time to learn the skill

Cheers

Thanks guys, good reading.

My faith is restored!

What I'm trying to say is that ultimately you can't MAKE a woman find you attractive by applying 'DJ techniques' unless there is something inherently attractive about you in the first place.

This site, as I see it, is about making the most of that inherent attraction and abolishing as many obstacles in your way as possible - low self confidence, oneitis, and the inability to deal with flakes etc.

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imo this is where Pooks "be a man," "live for yourself" concepts are gold. just because youre a great conversationalist, a master NLP user or memorized 1000's of scripts doesnt mean youll get what you want. and yet at the same time, just because youre a brad pitt look-a-like doesnt mean youll get it, either.

youve got to find a balance. live for yourself, do what makes YOU happy. set your goals in life. drive yourself to accomplish them. be successful; be magnetic. that will attract girls to you. it will attract girls whos IL is sky high. from there, as long as youre a decent conversationalist and know how to have a great time, its a piece of cake.

Attraction is only part of the game. In my own AFC days I had a lot of women be attracted to me. I always managed to screw it up being an AFC. I thought if I was nice, romantic and spent money that I would impress women. That never worked and I used to make jokes that the only thing I was ever any good at was messing up with women. I used to have a knack for completely turning off women, even when they were totally attracted to me. Sure attraction is a big part of getting a woman, but being an AFC is a definite turn off.

Sosuave works, more times than it doesn't work.

Originally posted by princelydeeds
Attraction is only part of the game. In my own AFC days I had a lot of women be attracted to me. I always managed to screw it up being an AFC. I thought if I was nice, romantic and spent money that I would impress women. That never worked and I used to make jokes that the only thing I was ever any good at was messing up with women. I used to have a knack for completely turning off women, even when they were totally attracted to me. Sure attraction is a big part of getting a woman, but being an AFC is a definite turn off.

Sosuave works, more times than it doesn't work.

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Exactly! you need Attraction AND Action. AFCs can get the attraction happening - most anyone can. But the AFC either uses counter-productive Actions or no Actions at all. Sosuave teaches you to at least do something (start approaching, get numbers) - and also to stop doing those things that kill attraction (clingy, too many presents, declaring love too early).

You guys are doing well. Thanks for the kind words. PlayerInTraining, very very good post. You've got most of it without getting into it. Ice Cold...you're still not thinking outside the box and you're threatened. I'm not trying to take any power away from you. I'm trying to show you that YOU were always attractive before the high-school games.

And you guys are right. Attraction + Action. If attraction is there, all you have to do is not fvck it up and move things along. If it's not, don't waste your time.

Yeah I have about 1000 posts. But that doesn't mean I've forgotten how women can be. I deal with them everyday, more now than ever. I work in security at a nightclub which means I am talking to women ALLLLL the time. I've been through every phase of the seduction community. Go back and read my posts. Skip month to month and you'll see that I've been where you are. I loved that sense of HOPE and power that I got from having 'tactics' in my arsenal to attract any woman I wanted.

Then I woke up and saw what was really happening. The game I was playing was just one-sided. The 'effects' were just the result of a natural attraction. Some women can be confusing, and manipulative but that is no reason for us to be the same way, becasue our egos are threatened. I'd like to think we are better than that. Just see those girls for the immature, insecure people that they are. They have growing up to do.

Nah..

This is site has it's moments but overall it's worth it. I recently went back reread the majority if the Bible and it helped also to keep things in perspective.

I think xblitz's thread is more about the countless people on this site who misinterpret the information that is on this site. People think all these "techniques" will magically make a girl like them. That is not the case. This site, though, if you use it properly will give you the proper mindset and attitude to get any girl you want. Girls just want a confident guy....that's it. There's no secret. If this site helps your confidence, then keep on visiting. If not, then why stay.