“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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how far would you go to get what you want

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originally posted by legolas I have a question. How far would yo go to get what you want. Like if you knew persuasion techniques and stuff like that, would you use it all, or would you write it off as oneitis and leave it alone.

I'm stuck in my own situation. This girl I had high hopes for, sent me an email, responding to my request to go out with me, that she was going on a date that day. So I've been thinking about all the differnt persuasion techniques I know that I could use to destroy this other guy, if he even exists, in her mind of course

But have stopped myself because it would seem like going too far.

If you knew some of this stuff, would you hesitate to use it?

By the way, people persuade all the time, it's just that they don't want to accept that they do!
there are questions to ask.
1. is she attracted to you? are there chemicals between you?
read here for an example of what i mean, and what I would do.
2. manipulation, the kind that you speak of, is not good if it creates an unnatural result, and you are not being yourself.
here is a thread i tried to discuss this issue on, feel free to read. but pook's reply here is better. look under the bold type "second objection" posted 10-22-2003 10:46 PM, if you are too lazy to read all of it.

legolas, it is only going too far if the questions above have wrong answers. comprende?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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iqqi, I didn't expect you to take it this far :) but since you already did....

First of all, I agree with Pook on the issue of control. Like I said before, this was just an escapade in thinking. Obviously what Pook is riffing on is the idea that you lead your own life, your own way, and if someone of the opposite sex finds your world to be very interesting, then you've gotten yourself a woman or a man.

Second, I myself, at this point in my life, despise all the technicalities that many people on ASF or Cliff's List talk about. As a matter of fact, I have un-subscribed from these places and planted myself here, because this place focuses on self improvement and not on tools.

In fact this works in the world of money as well. If you had a single technique/method that would make you rich beyond your dreams, would you use it? Most people would answer yes with no hesitation. But, there's a catch!! Once you made all this money, what would you do with it? You'd be worse off than if you were poor.

Because, you would either spend it all in luxury items, fancy cars, boats, big houses and then end up having to protect it and fear being robbed, or killed. Or you would have no idea what to do with it, and probably stash it away, and still be fearful about losing it. Once getting it is no more a problem, maintaining it, and protecting it becomes a huge problem. You now fear having too much money!!!

So given this, my question was a hypothetical question. Which I would have to answer with, probably no because I know better.

Still though, one part of me still was arguing with the idea of genuinity. You say, in your post, that having the girl after you have used the "technique" on her would not ber by her "genuine" desire to be with you, but because of your persuasion. It was arguing that "genuinity" can also be engineered and she wouldn't know the difference. Yet, I have the choice of leaving the "technique" alone, which I choose to do.
 

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Originally posted by legolas
iqqi, I didn't expect you to take it this far :) but since you already did....
yes, well you wooed me with those back tantalizer mind manipulations...

Still though, one part of me still was arguing with the idea of genuinity. You say, in your post, that having the girl after you have used the "technique" on her would not be by her "genuine" desire to be with you, but because of your persuasion. It was arguing that "genuinity" can also be engineered and she wouldn't know the difference.
kinda confusing what you said here...but i think you are incorrect in your thinking nonetheless. hmmm, are you saying that YOU think that it is morally wrong to seduce? basically? i am not understanding your dilemna completely. elaborate?
 

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You know what, I think I may have misintepreted your post on the issue of manipulation:

iqqi wrote:
i think that the more you try to manipulate something that you can't control, the more you have only an illusion of what you really want, under circumstances that are false, twisted, and unhealthy. this is why it is important to be true to others, to ultimately be true to yourself, and vice versa.
I took this to mean something totally different than what it really said. But I liked Player_Supreme's take on manipulation, which is one of the definitions of persuasion for me. The number one thing that I look for in any persuasion situation is that the other person WANTS to do teh things that I want them to do. There is no "forcing" or "coercing" as the label "persuasion" implies.

Actually if I combine this with Playa's definition it chenages into "Persuasion occurs when you create an environment where the other person WANTS to do the things that you want them to do" He suggests using challenges and such, but there are other ways of doing it as well.

In my original "dilemma" I was thinking of many other ways of getting her interested in me. But after reading Pook and his idea of creating your own world, then persuasion, in this sense, makes even more sense. If I create a compelling enough world (or environment as Playa referrs to it) that I enjoy as well, then I will attract them with no effort whatsoever. Now I completely understand what Pook is talking about.

It's like Disney Land. They make it so compelling that people go to it naturally without any form of deliberate "persuasion"

Wow, look at me babling away. But I have to thank you for clearing up my thoughts and setting me on the right course! You're certainly quick to return a favor :D

Do you think you'd have an orgasm if someone actually painted your body that way, or would you get so horny that you'd jump the guy in seonds flat? I read a message by Hot Ice where he mentioned that most of his sex was "forced intercourse" in the sense that he got the girls so horny she almost raped him :D His idea that sex is mostly driven by desire and the quest shuold be on increasing this desire to sky high levels instead of focusing on positions and that other physical stuff, really changed my perspective on sex completely.

OMG, I think I just had an epiphany!!!!
 
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