While this thread is obviously an AFC type situation, I think only a DJ could figure out a way to change the situation so hear me out.
I was friends with an HB 8.5 for a long ass time while she had a bf. I've known her for 2 years, and the first year she was just an acquiantance, and then the friendship kicked in the next year right after she just got a bf. I was hooking up with a fvck buddy I had during the same timeframe that I was friends with the HB 8, so it didn't really phase me as much.
I kind of only wanted a friendship from her because I assumed a girl that hot would have tons of hot friends for me to meet through her. Didn't really matter to me that much at the time either cause I had someone else as a FB. It turned out that 95% of her friends were no greater than 6.5..maybe 7, not to mention trashy and retarded. But enough about that bs.
When we became closer friends she was chilling with me more than the bf. So ****in wrong in so many ways, I know, but then again she was the first HB 8.5 I had been affiliated with for such a long time so I couldn't resist. There was a two week period in which she had been in a nasty fight with the bf where I'm positive I could have had my way with her since she actually started letting me kiss her on the lips and grab her ass without resistance, but cheating was never an option for me b/c my teenage years were devastated, partially by the fact that my parents got divorced after one of them cheated on the other. So I just stuck it through with her and let the friendship run through its ****ed up course.
Inevitably, I stopped seeing the FB and was no longer hooking up with anyone, so I started becoming desparate. The HB 8.5 was still in the relationship with the same bf but I started pressuring her into doing **** with me and trying to find a way to get some from her. I told her I could treat her so much better and I even straight up told her I'm tired of just being friends with her. Nothing worked though and she wouldn't budge. Even some head from her would have made me happy. The best I got from her was licking her lips after a kiss, but didn't get any reaction from that so I finally said **** it I'm not getting anywhere with her.
Following all that, in less than 6 weeks, I went from a nice guy who she loved to talk to and be around (whenever she wasn't riding her bf's penis), to a complete ******* she would always fight with and compare to the bf. She temporarily broke up with the bf so I interpreted this as my chance, but like all the other times, she wasn't interested. Eventually (or to be more specific, when I started reading sosuave.com) they got back together and I would stop paying attention to her, didn't chill with her anymore, and basically pretended she no longer existed. ****, it was tough, but definitely neccessary.
Finally, three weeks ago, she officially broke up with the bf. This time he dumped her for a new chick when all the other times she was the one who was cutting him off. (Hey, I'd probably get bored of an 8.5 after ****ing her every other day of the year too.) I didn't feel sorry for her at all.
Now, three and a half weeks later, she's calling me every day, leaving messages where she is begging me to talk to her on the phone and chill with her, but I'm responding to her requests by telling her I'm too busy with college and that I prefer being out doing things with my new friends than seeing her at all. Unfortunately, the other night she started crying when she figured out that I made up a bunch of bull**** excuses as to why I didn't want to see her, and that made me feel bad so I went by her house. As much of a hard ass as I've been, I still can't keep my **** together too well when I hear a girl crying, especially one that is this hot.
Not only did she run up to me and give me the longest damn kiss on the lips I've ever gotten from her when I got there (goddammit I shoulda stuck my tongue in her mouth), she didn't put up resistance or make any "you're making me uncomfortable" statements when I purposely rested my head on top of her tits while looking up at the sky, or when I really grabbed her ass cheek firmly to make a comment about the pants she had on. Considering the fact that I should have ****ed her months and months ago by now, I didn't see anything wrong with performing these type of kino since I'm trying to erase her misconception that I still "just" want to be friends with her. She also initiated lots of unusual kino with me like holding her hand around my neck and playing with the back of my head, resting her hand on my thigh (almost made me hard cause her hand was so close to my ****), and rubbing my arm. Even better, I kept the encounter short and told her I was just stopping by to calm her down and to make sure she understood that I'm not going to let myself go back to being under her control (which I'm sure she still wants).
All of this is very ****in weird because previously none of this would ever happen so easily without resistance. I know deep down inside she always liked me because she voiced this thought of hers to one of her friends several months ago, but I obviously wasn't challenging her enough and was always giving her the attention she wanted. Now that I'm putting up as much resistance as possible to her attention cravings, it seems like her IL for me has gone up a ton. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that all those people who say it's impossible to get out of a chick's friend zone are wrong. I guess it depends on the situation. I could be the one who is wrong though, I don't know.
So am I kidding myself here fellas? I mean right now it SEEMS like I have a chance to finally get myself completely out of her friendship pit of hell and maybe even turning myself into a FB. The problems I'm running into now are trying to keep conversations far far away from "friend-like" and attempting to talk about things that are more intimate and personal. For example, when she starts trying to make fluff talk for more than 20 seconds, I stop her and say, "I'm not talking to you to hear about this petty bs, you can call ....... and tell her all about that **** if you want to," and then I threaten to hang up on her and she appologizes. It feels awkward for me to talk to her so much differently since I'm so used to playing the position of a friend, but I think it might be the only way.
I know I'm wasting ****loads of time by be chasing after my oneitis like this, but for the past month I actually HAVE met 5- 6 other girls in attempts to forget about her. Sadly, none of them have been as hot, nor have they had the type of wild personality she has that I dig.
I'm assuming that by now most of you would not let yourselves fall into **** like this anymore and would never spend any time trying to work on transforming a relationship with a female from friend to fvck buddy. All I'm looking for is the sex, because it's literally the only thing I don't know about her. It's really difficult so far, because if I call her or let her talk with me too long on the phone (like I always would in the past) I'm afraid that she'll start interpreting it as signs of friendliness and I'll have failed with my intentions. At this point though, I'm willing to see how far I can get after obtaining the signs I got from her the other night. I really am giving one last go at pursuing this and am fully aware of the idiocy.
When you've been around something you could never have for so long and then you suddenly see opportunities arising to get it, you start getting excitied as ****. At least that's how I feel right now. I'm not going to go out without giving it all I've got, but for the record, if the slightest idea comes up that she's going to shoots me down, I'm going to completely end it all and erase her..take the FTOW route. All of this being said, do any of you who have dared to get yourselves into situations like this one have any advice at all?
(I'm serious here, and don't want to hear anyone say FTOW because I already know that's what I should be doing.) Oh and btw, anyone who bothered reading all this ****...thank you.
I was friends with an HB 8.5 for a long ass time while she had a bf. I've known her for 2 years, and the first year she was just an acquiantance, and then the friendship kicked in the next year right after she just got a bf. I was hooking up with a fvck buddy I had during the same timeframe that I was friends with the HB 8, so it didn't really phase me as much.
I kind of only wanted a friendship from her because I assumed a girl that hot would have tons of hot friends for me to meet through her. Didn't really matter to me that much at the time either cause I had someone else as a FB. It turned out that 95% of her friends were no greater than 6.5..maybe 7, not to mention trashy and retarded. But enough about that bs.
When we became closer friends she was chilling with me more than the bf. So ****in wrong in so many ways, I know, but then again she was the first HB 8.5 I had been affiliated with for such a long time so I couldn't resist. There was a two week period in which she had been in a nasty fight with the bf where I'm positive I could have had my way with her since she actually started letting me kiss her on the lips and grab her ass without resistance, but cheating was never an option for me b/c my teenage years were devastated, partially by the fact that my parents got divorced after one of them cheated on the other. So I just stuck it through with her and let the friendship run through its ****ed up course.
Inevitably, I stopped seeing the FB and was no longer hooking up with anyone, so I started becoming desparate. The HB 8.5 was still in the relationship with the same bf but I started pressuring her into doing **** with me and trying to find a way to get some from her. I told her I could treat her so much better and I even straight up told her I'm tired of just being friends with her. Nothing worked though and she wouldn't budge. Even some head from her would have made me happy. The best I got from her was licking her lips after a kiss, but didn't get any reaction from that so I finally said **** it I'm not getting anywhere with her.
Following all that, in less than 6 weeks, I went from a nice guy who she loved to talk to and be around (whenever she wasn't riding her bf's penis), to a complete ******* she would always fight with and compare to the bf. She temporarily broke up with the bf so I interpreted this as my chance, but like all the other times, she wasn't interested. Eventually (or to be more specific, when I started reading sosuave.com) they got back together and I would stop paying attention to her, didn't chill with her anymore, and basically pretended she no longer existed. ****, it was tough, but definitely neccessary.
Finally, three weeks ago, she officially broke up with the bf. This time he dumped her for a new chick when all the other times she was the one who was cutting him off. (Hey, I'd probably get bored of an 8.5 after ****ing her every other day of the year too.) I didn't feel sorry for her at all.
Now, three and a half weeks later, she's calling me every day, leaving messages where she is begging me to talk to her on the phone and chill with her, but I'm responding to her requests by telling her I'm too busy with college and that I prefer being out doing things with my new friends than seeing her at all. Unfortunately, the other night she started crying when she figured out that I made up a bunch of bull**** excuses as to why I didn't want to see her, and that made me feel bad so I went by her house. As much of a hard ass as I've been, I still can't keep my **** together too well when I hear a girl crying, especially one that is this hot.
Not only did she run up to me and give me the longest damn kiss on the lips I've ever gotten from her when I got there (goddammit I shoulda stuck my tongue in her mouth), she didn't put up resistance or make any "you're making me uncomfortable" statements when I purposely rested my head on top of her tits while looking up at the sky, or when I really grabbed her ass cheek firmly to make a comment about the pants she had on. Considering the fact that I should have ****ed her months and months ago by now, I didn't see anything wrong with performing these type of kino since I'm trying to erase her misconception that I still "just" want to be friends with her. She also initiated lots of unusual kino with me like holding her hand around my neck and playing with the back of my head, resting her hand on my thigh (almost made me hard cause her hand was so close to my ****), and rubbing my arm. Even better, I kept the encounter short and told her I was just stopping by to calm her down and to make sure she understood that I'm not going to let myself go back to being under her control (which I'm sure she still wants).
All of this is very ****in weird because previously none of this would ever happen so easily without resistance. I know deep down inside she always liked me because she voiced this thought of hers to one of her friends several months ago, but I obviously wasn't challenging her enough and was always giving her the attention she wanted. Now that I'm putting up as much resistance as possible to her attention cravings, it seems like her IL for me has gone up a ton. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that all those people who say it's impossible to get out of a chick's friend zone are wrong. I guess it depends on the situation. I could be the one who is wrong though, I don't know.
So am I kidding myself here fellas? I mean right now it SEEMS like I have a chance to finally get myself completely out of her friendship pit of hell and maybe even turning myself into a FB. The problems I'm running into now are trying to keep conversations far far away from "friend-like" and attempting to talk about things that are more intimate and personal. For example, when she starts trying to make fluff talk for more than 20 seconds, I stop her and say, "I'm not talking to you to hear about this petty bs, you can call ....... and tell her all about that **** if you want to," and then I threaten to hang up on her and she appologizes. It feels awkward for me to talk to her so much differently since I'm so used to playing the position of a friend, but I think it might be the only way.
I know I'm wasting ****loads of time by be chasing after my oneitis like this, but for the past month I actually HAVE met 5- 6 other girls in attempts to forget about her. Sadly, none of them have been as hot, nor have they had the type of wild personality she has that I dig.
I'm assuming that by now most of you would not let yourselves fall into **** like this anymore and would never spend any time trying to work on transforming a relationship with a female from friend to fvck buddy. All I'm looking for is the sex, because it's literally the only thing I don't know about her. It's really difficult so far, because if I call her or let her talk with me too long on the phone (like I always would in the past) I'm afraid that she'll start interpreting it as signs of friendliness and I'll have failed with my intentions. At this point though, I'm willing to see how far I can get after obtaining the signs I got from her the other night. I really am giving one last go at pursuing this and am fully aware of the idiocy.
When you've been around something you could never have for so long and then you suddenly see opportunities arising to get it, you start getting excitied as ****. At least that's how I feel right now. I'm not going to go out without giving it all I've got, but for the record, if the slightest idea comes up that she's going to shoots me down, I'm going to completely end it all and erase her..take the FTOW route. All of this being said, do any of you who have dared to get yourselves into situations like this one have any advice at all?
(I'm serious here, and don't want to hear anyone say FTOW because I already know that's what I should be doing.) Oh and btw, anyone who bothered reading all this ****...thank you.