Reading post after post here, it's becoming obvious that most people nowadays have no idea what a real man is. (I'm gonna use "DJ" and "man" interchangable, they're the same thing. You can't be a real man without being a DJ, and you can't be a DJ without being a real man)

They seem to have this idea that a real man (DJ) is someone who finds women, and treats 'em like the crap from the bottom of their shoes. Nothing could be further from the truth. "But Latte!" you say, "I have more girls than I know what to do with, you're full of it!" News flash, Columbo...there's always someone more desperate than you are stupid. Games only work on emotionally damaged little girls...and if that's what you're after, congrats. You bagged yourself a disturbed chick. Good job, Stud. It speaks volumes for your technique when you're able to bang little girls with warped senses of self-esteem.

A REAL DJ doesn't have to play these stupid middle school mind games with girls. Sure, he uses kino, he's C+F, he teases them...these are all well and good. But these aren't games. They're who he is. But just like ice cream, cologne, sunshine, or whatever else, too much of a good thing is bad for you. When you take something to an extreme, it only means one thing...you're covering up for something you don't have. When you're too ****y, it doesn't come off as suave. It comes off as insecurity.And women aren't stupid, they can smell that a mile away. Women are attracted by the MAN, not the front he puts up. Piss and moan all you want, but the majority of people here are AFC's dressed up in their very best DJ clothing. They learn a few techniques, and bag a few girls who are stupid enough to fall for the crap they dish out, and suddenly they're Don Juan incarnate. Attracting girls with games is no different than attracting them with money, or with a nice car, or with x, y, or z. Point of the matter is, they're not attracted to YOU. You have nothing that they want, and they're gonna find that out sooner or later. They're attracted to their perception of you. And when that changes, and it WILL, they're gone.

Now, all of you know that I'm one of the most anti-AFC guys around. If you sit around and cater to girls, you're not worthy to be called a man. If you wait on them hand and foot, you need to cut off your balls and give them to someone who can use them...because you're sure not. But being a DJ isn't about playing games. It's not about methods and techniques. It's about ONE thing, and one thing only. Knowing that YOU'RE the man.

See that HB9 over there? Smile in her direction. When she comes over, ask for her number. Call her when you feel like it. You'll know when the right time is. Take her out where you want to take her out to. If you want to go out again, call her when you feel like it, and ask her out. The common denominator here is this; YOU. YOU'RE the man. You do things when you see it fit to do them. You don't need to play mind games. A real man can't be resisted. Take off your DJ clothes, stop playing games, and be a person who gets what he wants without even having to try; a real MAN.

Rock on, great post.

Awesome post, Dude

I'm in agreement with the intent behind the post, however I do have one criticism. You say that the terms "DJ" and "man" are interchangeable and I disagree.

In my opinion, nice guys are men too. Nice guys are kind to women. They treat women with utmost respect. They're the ones who help old ladies across the street. Some are even good looking. Many are extremely intelligent. Most nice guys are sweet, kind hearted people who have nothing bad to say about anyone. Being a nice guy is actually a very manly thing to be.

On the other end of the spectrum, date rapists, wife batterers and dead beat dads are not real men. So why do these losers do so infinitely better with women than the nice guys, who are the actually the "real" men?

Becuase our society tends not to know the difference between Manhood and Masculinity. Manhood might get you a few community service awards, but only masculinity will get you women.

Manhood is not synonymous with masculinity. When women shout "I want a real man!" they actually have no clue of what they're talking about. They don't even recognize "nice guys" as men, even though in reality they are. For some of them, a "real man" is nothing more than overly masculine boy. Oh yes, Mr. Latte. A real man CAN be resisted. Women resist them everyday with their "I have a boyfriend." and "Lets just be friends." lines.

Learning "DJ" principles teaches guys when and how to fight back. They teach them how to know when not to be nice to everybody, when not to be respectful, and when to let that old hag cross the street her own damn self.

Nice guys are men. "DJ"s are masculine men.

"DJ" and "Man" are not synonymous. DJ principles teach nice guys to embrace their masculinity and use it to supplement the manhood he already exudes.

That's why I made an effort to always type "real man" instead of simply "man." It's good to know someone's actually reading these posts. However, I disagree with you about "nice guys" being men. Being a man isn't a club that anyone with a penis can join. Being a man doesn't even mean you have to be masculine, in my opinion. I think a gay man can be a real man. A real man is someone who has respect for himself, and knows his worth. He's not scared by a challenge, because he knows he's good enough. He keeps his word, because he knows it's below him to lie. Basically, a man is someone who knows what he is, and sticks to his guns. Without confidence, this is impossible....so a man is someone who's overflowing with confidence. In life, confidence will get you anything and everything.

Dunno. I like to think of masculinity as a big part of manhood.

Pook had some posts in the Bible about this...about the difference between a nice guy, a jerk, and a MAN.

The difference is CONTROL.

There are different types of NICE MEN who are or arent REAL MEN.

The Nice Guy who has confidence in himself, knows how to treat people because THATS the way he wants to be treated, and will not tolerate being mistreated.

Then there is the NICE GUY/AFC..whose sole motive for being Nice is to Gain something (i.e. get into a girls pants, win friends, etc)..and although he doesnt realize it he is as bad as any Player/Bad boy/A$$hole..because they all do the same thing: Acting a certain way as a means to an end..rather than en end in it self

If masculinity were universal, I'd agree with you. But it's not. In Miami, guys shave their arms and legs, get manicures and pedicures, facials and clay masks. Nothing gay about it, it's just how it is in certain circles. In Houston, for example, this would be seen as gay. Masculinity isn't universally defined, so it's hard to pigeonhole. You can't say something is masculine and something is feminine, outside of the context of your surroundings and upbringing.

Starman, I agree with you 100%. I try to define the "Nice DJ" as a "good guy", and the "Nice AFC" as a "nice guy"...there's a world of difference between the two. It just amazes me how you're considered a man because you treat people like animals. Thats not confidence, that's a lack of self esteem that you feel the need to cover up by making yourself feel powerful.

Originally posted by Mr. Latte
However, I disagree with you about "nice guys" being men. Being a man isn't a club that anyone with a penis can join. Being a man doesn't even mean you have to be masculine, in my opinion. I think a gay man can be a real man. A real man is someone who has respect for himself, and knows his worth. He's not scared by a challenge, because he knows he's good enough.

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I understand your point of view. I just think that manhood is a state of mind, and not some public chest-thumping rite of passage.

Nice men do manly things all the time. But women don't respect them as "men" until they do something masculine. Thats one of the screwy things about human nature and it behooves us to accept it.

Just looked it up in the dictionary.

Besides the normal "man" definitions it has these listed

act a man, be courageous

be a man, to be free to do as one pleases, have complete
control of oneself.

Survivor, I think you're misreading. I totally agree with you. Maybe it sounds better in my head than on paper (online), but what I'm saying is that being a man isn't about an act. It's a state of being. That's why I said that as a man, they key word is YOU.

heh see I Consider myself a nice guy..but I dont act AFC..Im masculine..if anyone got in my face I would Pop them, and wouldnt tolerate disrespect from any chick...Im also very sarcastic..and bust on girls alot for fun..

But I am Normally Nice to people that I see deserve it..but I always give everyone the first chance..if they screw up..I suddenly appear as if Im an A$$hole to them..

And I may appear to be AFC to some women because of their initial impression of me..but once they get to know me..they will see I shatter their impression real quick..

One observation noteworthy: Ive tried to play the Bad Boy while doing experiments...and when I do something Nice..a chick gets incredibly turned on by a bad boy doing something nice...this was just a test..and not really me..so I dont play it too much

I think you confused "games" with "actions that women don't respond to."

Sorry, the "games" are tried, tested and true and women love them and truly respond to them.

"Real Men" do whatever they want and women still respond to them mainly because there are so many AFC's out there.

But a "Real Man" who knows how the "games" work and why women respond to them is 100 times more successful. After all, a real man understands how the real world works and what he needs to do to take advantage of it.