I was reading an interesting blog ...

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2012/01/alpha-mail-collegiate-quantity.html

... in which there is an interesting insight

... unattractive men who are sexually aggressive don't get girls but are instead labeled creepy.

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I've never thought of it this way, but it makes sense. The attractive man that asks a woman for sex gets the answer "OK" while the unattractive man gets "eww, go away, creep!"

Is it really this simple?

Yes absolutely.

However, less attractive guys HAVE to be more aggressive and face more rejections and risk being considered a creeper at times. Women generally won't come to them, so it's the only way to get any action (except for some major long term self-improvement to raise their value/attractiveness).

Actually this is true for both sexes. Who is more aggressive, the 45 year old cougar or the 21 year old sorority girl? The less attractive woman has to work harder and be more aggressive/direct. The young hottie doesn't have to do anything. The difference of course is the double standard where aggressive but less attractive women generally don't get called creepy.

We should start calling women creepy, but that was another thread lol.

The reason women pull the creeper card in this case is for three reasons:

1. They want to ostracize the less attractive guys to discourage them from approaching in the future.

2. Most importantly: the girls' egos can't handle a less attractive guy approaching them. It makes her feel insulted because she thinks, "I attracted THAT? How come the hot guys don't approach me like my friend Sarah?". She will then look in the mirror and wonder if she "hit the wall" at age 22 LOL.

3. Women are also unconsciously or consciously much more aware of status. They don't like "negative social proof" or what they perceve to be negative social proof (ie a loss of status) when an unattractive guy approaches her in front of her friends and/or more attractive guys.

Mike32ct said:

2. Most importantly: the girls' egos can't handle a less attractive guy approaching them. It makes her feel insulted because she thinks, "I attracted THAT?

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haha, good point. That ugly guy is obviously a "creep" and "creepy" meaning.. he does this to all girls, not just me, so it can't be that I am attracting ugly guys. Lol.

Yes when I said aggressive I meant forward or outgoing.

Yes definitely.

Along the same lines often a ugly guy being ****y and funny is "such a fvcking azzhole" whereas the good looking guy is "what an azzhole "

Yes I think it is that simple.

That's really the social definition of creepy. A non-attractive, sexually aggressive male. In other words, his advances are unwanted. That is creepy to a woman.

If the guy were attractive, his advances may or may not be wanted, in which case he would just be labeled an as$hole.

Unattractive men can certainly run game, but they have to be clever about it and approach it from a different angle before they ramp up the sexuality.

I know a girl that is at best and HB2 who uses 'creepy' all the damn time. Its a total defense mechanism. Nobody wants her so every single guy on the planet is creepy. No matter what he looks like.

If somebody is hitting on her good looking friend its.. "omg that guy is so creepy"
If a guy friend of hers is making sexual jokes or hints towards another girl, its "why are you being so creepy?"

its so funny yet annoying, as much as i know WHY she does it, and its sad really, i still want to slap the stupid out of her..

I got a physical the morn from a very attractive (for a 40+ cougar) female doctor. She wore slim-fitting pants and sweater (small t!ts) and donned a rather large diamond wedding ring on her left ring finger. She'd bend over and check something, my history, asking me further questions, a couple of times BEFORE the feel-my-balls-and-cough check. I wondered if she was doing that on purpose to get me hard, so I thought about other things, and quite frankly, it was very early this morning after a long day of work yesterday, so I could not rise to the occasion for her. When she looked up under she was probably surprised by how small I was and not turned on I was by her (like probably 90% of the men, of all ages, are when she bends over countless times before feeling them up). She seemed pissed that I wasn't affected by her and changed her tune towards me (I'm good-looking) and marched out of the room passing me off to another older, fatter, rasply-voiced nurse. TBH, her face, at 40-something, was starting or in the throes of a steep decline looking long in the tooth. This lack of arousal from me may have damaged her psyche a little today, even though she's a doc, even though she's got quite the rock on her. Her face was beginning to look manish in a manish profession - doctor.

Whenever a woman calls me creepy (rare, because I usually meet them in a business setting), I retort with, "Yes, one less creeper you'd ever swindle out of his money" and maybe add, "Hoe."

girls can't say anything when you have your d!ck in their mouth

It all boils down to physical appearance. Ugly guys are creepers and stalkers while a good looking guy can say almost anything and score a number.

Dust 2 Dust said:

It all boils down to physical appearance. Ugly guys are creepers and stalkers while a good looking guy can say almost anything and score a number.

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Also boils down to how rich you are too.

If an ugly guy has a hot girl either he didn't always look that way or he has money.

Women are hardly called creeps because of how many options they have.

Your bulletproof game and charming personality won't make you look any better or put more money in your wallet.

Case closed.

Social calibration matters more than looks when it comes to "creepiness." If you're a good looking guy that orbits and stares at girls instead of talking to them, you'll still be considered creepy.

At any rate, being called "creepy" should mean nothing to you- unless you really ARE acting weird and creepy. Most of the time, it's a defense mechanism girls use when they feel slighted. From a game standpoint, it is better to be called "creepy" than "awkward" or "nice."

I think that the fact that so many guys are worried about being labeled "creepy" is troublesome. Seriously; don't worry about what some random girl thinks about you.

I can't speak for all guys but when/if a girl refers to me as "creepy"(or a variation of the word) I feel like she's labeling me in the same light as some child pervert or rapist. It absolutely pisses me off because I know that word is intended to be in the same line with a child molester or a rapist. the sad thing is the word creepy has taken off and I even hear other guys using the word just as much as women. it's like the latest put down or ultimate shame against men.

If you want to avoid the creepy label beside having a tight game, social proof is the only proof you need.

See women are like a bunch of mindless sheep, they have to all come to an agreement that a certain guy is creepy so they could all talk sh1t about him and feel good about themselves.

But if that same person is surrounded by interesting group of friends including women then those same women will clamp up and instead will be more open to interacting with a more aggressive/not as attractive individual giving he is not socially awkward.

Robert28 said:

I know that word is intended to be in the same line with a child molester or a rapist. the sad thing is the word creepy has taken off and I even hear other guys using the word just as much as women. it's like the latest put down or ultimate shame against men.

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I work in a large office building where the female employees are constantly getting hit on and asked out by male clients. From being around these females all day and listening to them gossip I can tell you 100% these women place men into 2 categories and the category you land in is almost entirely dependent on your looks. In their world there are: "cute guys" and "creepers".

Whenever these women talk about guys they just met the first question the other females always ask is "is he cute?" The good looking guys who hit on them are in the cute category and get all the breaks(at least in the beginning) while the ugly guys/below average height guys are the creepers. Many times you can be a perfectly good guy and still be labeled a creeper by a woman. I know one client who was a sharp dresser and operated his own business, but because he was short 5'4 guy he became a creeper to the entire female staff after he asked 1 of them out and got rejected.

I agree these terms like creeper and stalker are being overused, but that's how the modern women sees her world. Also, your looks are going to be subjective to each female so don't become disheartened if one female calls you a creeper.

This.

Anybody who still thinks looks don't matter needs to overhear groups of women at work. Where you fall on the good looking vs. not looking scale determines if you are are creeping or flirting.

Dust 2 Dust said:

I work in a large office building where the female employees are constantly getting hit on and asked out by male clients. From being around these females all day and listening to them gossip I can tell you 100% these women place men into 2 categories and the category you land in is almost entirely dependent on your looks. In their world there are: "cute guys" and "creepers".

Whenever these women talk about guys they just met the first question the other females always ask is "is he cute?" The good looking guys who hit on them are in the cute category and get all the breaks(at least in the beginning) while the ugly guys/below average height guys are the creepers. Many times you can be a perfectly good guy and still be labeled a creeper by a woman. I agree these terms like creeper and stalker are being overused, but that's how the modern women sees her world. Also, your looks are going to be subjective to each female so don't become disheartened if one female calls you a creeper.

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looks matter...but so do power and influence.

Russell Brand without the fame is a 'creeper' but with fame is 'sexy' and 'mysterious'

And yes you could say Russell's charm has nothing to do with his fame and his charm gets women... but thats bull$hit

Trust me the woman who SAY they are into him now are into his fame and status; they would only call him a creeper if he was the check out dude at trader joes.

A famous dude could piss on a girl and she would slurp it up and call it lemonade...

Guys like Russell Brand who are rich don't need looks. Wealth can override looks with women. One of my female coworkers is dating a butt ugly doctor. This guy is short, wears coke bottle glasses, and not handsome at all, but because he's a doctor and has money she's attracted to him.

Dust 2 Dust said:

Guys like Russell Brand who are rich don't need looks. Wealth can override looks with women. One of my female coworkers is dating a butt ugly doctor. This guy is short, wears coke bottle glasses, and not handsome at all, but because he's a doctor and has money she's attracted to him.

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yup

and with the way the economy is heading this trend will increase...

of course chicks have loved gold since the dawn of time