Alot has been said about guys who are Naturals when it comes to hooking up with women, you'll hear statements like HE'S A NATURAL, HE WAS BORN WITH IT. And we'll even name celebrities who are so called naturals eg: Tommy lee, Russell Brand, Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty and Hugh Hefner.

To me the belief that some guys are naturals isn't something that i believe to be true. On Monday (12th Sept 2011) I had a 19 year old dude who lives in my neighborhood come up to me and and he wanted me to help him get his game up because he believes that he can do better, THE FUNNY THING IS THAT HE HONESTLY BELIEVES THAT I'M WHAT HE CALLS A NATURAL. When he told me that i just laughed at him because I can honestly say that I'm no Natural seducer, infact i was the ultimate AFC.

What changed me from a nerdy AFC to being good at pick up chick's all boiled down to reading good seduction material, internalizing it and APPLYING WHAT I'VE READ IN REAL LIFE SITUATIONS WITH FEMALES. At the end of the day IT ALL COMES DOWN TO PRACTICE, I had to make a decision to learn the game whereas guys who are "naturals" do the same thing without being concious of the fact that it's practice.

Let me explain.......a while back in high school when i was a nerd who buried himself in books and avoided social situations with girls, there were guys who practiced talking to chicks without realizing what they were actually doing, GUYS WHO WE CALL NATURALS ARE GUYS WHO'VE HAD AN EARLY START WHEN IT COMES TO LEARNING HOW SEDUCTION WORKS.

To quote David X " I'M NOT A NATURAL, THAT'S A LOAD OF BS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND ALL THE NERDY GUYS OUT THERE IS THAT I LEARN'T FROM AN EARLY AGE HOW TO TALK TO FEMALES AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT SO MANY TIMES THAT IT NOW LOOKS LIKE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD WITH WOMEN"

I honestly believe that alot of guys who call themselves "naturals" just want to make it seem as if they were born with this ability to seduce women and that ultimately makes them special in some way.In conclusion.......NO ONE COMES OUT OF THE WOMB WITH A NATURAL ABILITY TO SEDUCE, some guys (like me) spend most of their lives avoiding members of the opposite sex and end up being AFC'S and you have the so called "naturals" who train themselves from a young age BY TALKING, BEING PLAYFUL,BEING TOUCHY FEELY with girls without being concious of the fact that their actually learning a skill that will make them good at picking up females in the long run.

I think it's a bit of both, Your genetic make up can have an impact on the way you end up behaving but of course what you learn and don't learn experience and not experience growing up affect the way you turn out.

None of my crew knows I read seduction material, and as far as I know, they don't at all. They ARE naturals. So don't assume anyone who is good with women has read seduction material, because there ARE naturals out there. I did once run into a guy who discussed game with me, and I mentioned popular PUA terms like 2-set, sarging, C+F etc.. and he admittedly told me he had read the "The Game" which I thought was cool and then made us click instantly. But that has only happened to me once.

-Scars

Let me repeat this again, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL SEDUCER, JUST AS THERE'S NO SUCH PERSON WHO'S A NATURAL SALESMAN, No person's a natural in anything. People go through a training process whether consciously or unconsciously, guys that we call naturals are guys who've trained themselves from a young age whithout realizing that that's what they were doing. By socializing with females at a young age, being playful, being touchy and not being self- concious eventually conditions some guys into becoming what we refer to as naturals.............at the end of the day no one has a genetic predisposition to becoming a seducer or a salesman or anything of that sort, SEDUCERS ARE MADE, NOT BORN. I hang around alot of guys here in Chicago and in England who are so called naturals who will tell you the same thing.

i don't agree with this post. sopme people are just born with certain traits, the ability to do certain things better than other people. such is life. one of my old friends could eat pizza and chicken wings all day (and often did) and had at least a 12 pack, 6'4, 180 ish pounds, ripped to shreds. he's a genetic freak of nature. it's not fair. but it is what it is.

my dad isd about the closest hings you will see to a natural seducer. he would crack up if he saw this website. he just talks to them and next thing you know they are dropping the panties.

i have worked at it but i am more of a natural salesman than the avg person. i just "get it" more than the avg person does. I've honed my skills but it took me 3 weeks at a car lot to realize i had something here. the management saw it too and fast tracked me to F and i.

when i say natural i i started out with natural built in advantages that the avg person did not have. But my mom is a salesman and a good one, and i suppose alot of her traits, her mannerisms, the way she treats clients just subconsciously rubbed off on me. I sound very much like my mother when i talk to clients even though i'm not trying to.

I would even go so far to say my dad rubbed off on me. I never had a problem "spitting game" to a woman, even in my most AFC days it came "natural". I can talk to women. KEEPING THEM INTERESTED was my big deal. That and i always "settled" and i got tired of it.

backbreaker said:

i don't agree with this post. sopme people are just born with certain traits, the ability to do certain things better than other people. such is life. one of my old friends could eat pizza and chicken wings all day (and often did) and had at least a 12 pack, 6'4, 180 ish pounds, ripped to shreds. he's a genetic freak of nature. it's not fair. but it is what it is.

my dad isd about the closest hings you will see to a natural seducer. he would crack up if he saw this website. he just talks to them and next thing you know they are dropping the panties.

i have worked at it but i am more of a natural salesman than the avg person. i just "get it" more than the avg person does. I've honed my skills but it took me 3 weeks at a car lot to realize i had something here. the management saw it too and fast tracked me to F and i.

when i say natural i i started out with natural built in advantages that the avg person did not have. But my mom is a salesman and a good one, and i suppose alot of her traits, her mannerisms, the way she treats clients just subconsciously rubbed off on me. I sound very much like my mother when i talk to clients even though i'm not trying to.

I would even go so far to say my dad rubbed off on me. I never had a problem "spitting game" to a woman, even in my most AFC days it came "natural". I can talk to women. KEEPING THEM INTERESTED was my big deal. That and i always "settled" and i got tired of it.

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I think you are arguing for the OP's point. You are saying your mom was a salesman and a good one and you're dad was a DJ so you had a very early head start, you had mentors without realizing it at the time, but its not natural, you werent born a good salesman, you just picked it up from your mentor early in life.

I agree with St 99's point completely.