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blackatheart
07-25-2006, 11:41 PM
I became "close friends" w/ my friends gf. I became attached to her - it was ridiculous. If I didn't travel at least 15 min to her house to hang out w/ her at the mall or some park, I was picking her up at school to go hang out almost everyday. If we didn't hang out, we would talk every time we had a break in our schedule. If we couldn't talk, then we would go online and speak. On average we'd talk 5 hours a day it was sad I would have done anything for her but at least she wasnt a AW. Anyway, I realized how grimy it was that she was my friends gf and I broke it off. We cried on the last 3 nights that we talked. lol the memories are still nice but dam I was so ignorant of how AFC I was.

Butch
09-06-2006, 03:08 PM
I kept a daily journal about how I felt about a girl I was infatuated with, then when she was just about to move away from college, I GAVE IT TO HER!


Wow!!

eminence
09-07-2006, 09:42 PM
today.......god it sucks. I work in a tanning salon so I get a lot of girls in there all day, wasn't really expecting it from this one though......because shes 32 -- looks 20, very nice body .(I just turned 18 about a month ago) So she came in and was unsually excited, this was the first time i've ever seen this girl, and we started talking, just my usual conversation I would have with a customer, and she tells me its her birthday tomorrow, and I realize this 32 year old women is flirting with me, next she tells me that shes going to go to a club tomorrow night for her birthday and that she will be wearing "something short and tight" and as she was walking out the door she told me I should meet her there, thats were I froze up....I didn't really have a response to tell her that i'm only 18 and still in highschool haha, and I can't get into the club (21 age limit) i just kind of shook my head and she walked out(i have a moderate case of social phobia). I know I probably should of told her that I couldn't go because I had other plans, but if she wanted to give me her number she could show me the short and tight outfit some other time........****! i've been hitting myself in the head all night over this now.

sorry this is so long, i just had to get it off my chest

VSTbeserk
09-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Ok this was in middle school.

around 7th grade i was pretty much a Hit with the ladies least i think i was...they were giving me attention touching me..writing on my binder saying stuff like "I love you xoxoxox" hell one of them told me if i kept what she wrote on my binder (i forget what it was) then she would let me touch her boobs (I did to! :) but i didn't get underneath her shirt....we were in class and the teacher was like 20 ft away i would be pushing my luck. anways toward the end of the year thier was this girl that was clearly interested in me would grab my arm in put her hand inside, would initiate convos with me, always smile at me, and what not it was totally ****ing clear...even my friend told me to ask her out still to much of a wuss to ask but to add to that people at that moment of time didn't like her and I thought she would bring down my reputation. funny thing is the ***** gave me the cold shoulder when it was the end of the year when people where giving hugs...when we made eye contact she gave me the eww look and walked away...total 180.

ValleyDJing
09-11-2006, 05:33 PM
I kept a daily journal about how I felt about a girl I was infatuated with, then when she was just about to move away from college, I GAVE IT TO HER!

I almost cried after reading this one. :cry:

Chase12
09-21-2006, 11:06 PM
heh well ill put down my 2 cents

a while ago i guess i was some kind of jerk... insulted girls (neg hitted them,, but i didnt know any of this bull**** tactics back then), teased them.. for fun tho... insulted other people.. got into fights etc etc (didnt had alooot of friends tho, not as much as know)

but then after i got expelled from school and went to therapy.. the sicologists made me believe i had to become a "nice, sensitive guy" to get ladies... that was 2 years ago.. i remember liking this chick (my best friend liked her too) so we went over to her house out of the blue, called her 5 times a day, etc etc.. till i told her i liked her and she backed off completely telling me in my face she wouldnt go out with me etc etc and how she wants to hook up with this guy, etc etc..

so she ended up with my best friend.. :S hurt like hell but school started and i moved on..

and then this year i almost ****ed up with this chick that had a boyfriend (which she dumped for me.. i later found out) till i ended up here.. showed me the lite (went from never kissing a girl to making out with like 7 chicks in the course of 3 months....hey its a start xD)

so there u go xD... i almost end up as a nice guy heh i remember going like WTF when i read on ss that jerks got more girls than nice guys.. heh know i can be my true self o yah xD

later

THE_ADDMAN
09-22-2006, 12:33 AM
the story in www.tiredblackman.com is sad :(

I pity him.

a man's compassion for a woman isn't a weakness, its a wonderful trait. Unfortunately, in this day and age, women believe guys who are nice can only be AFCs, even if they're REAL men (and if u ask me, a man's compassion and wanting to protect and lead his woman is the most powerful masculine trait).

My AFC experience? I'll tell u bout the one that pushed me over the edge. in my sea of AFCness, there were flashs of DJism, but I never took them seriously. I sunk further and further into AFCness.

I met a girl, and actually picked her up quite well, despite myself. one night, she told me bout her masturbating thinking of me, or something like that. anyhoo, I became a total AFC after that, telling her my views on love, waiting up till all hours of the night for her to sign on MSN so we could talk (was too late to call). I stayed up till 3 AM just to talk to her for a few mins while she checked her Emails one time. about a week or so later, it was a few days before New years eve, and she was going to a party with her family. she told me "oh, I wont drink, I hate alcohol". I sat with my buddy's on New years eve, drinking a beer, watching the tube, and smiling as the year came to an end, confident that my journey was over, and I'd met an exceptional girl. I thought I was going to marry this girl...

a few days later, she came home and "needed to talk" apparently, this wasnt a family party, it was a party with friends, and she had drunk heavily. one of the guys there took care of her while she had passed out, and they were now dating, effectively giving me the grand ol shaftola. I basically shut down. after ending the year on such a high note, and now this extreme shock at how things could change so fast, (pain, thy name is woman) I fell apart emotionally for the next few months. try as I might, I couldnt give up. I persevered and kept going though life when one day I stumbled upon an article by David Deangelo. I learned a whole different side of the "dating game". I crashed and burned with cocky and funny at the begining, since I was still bitter. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO GET WOMEN WHILE YOU ARE BITTER. through Deangelo's DVD series (one of them) I learned of Mystery and TD. I admired their technical grasp of the game, but as time went on, I got a weird vibe from them. I didnt know at the time, but I had decided, unconciously, then and there, that I did not want to become a social robot pumped with techniques. I learned of Senor Fingerz "Weapons of mass seduction" and follow his roots to SoSuave. I decided that inner game was the only game worth playing, and refused to associate with those who are seen as "PUAs" (as opposed to DJs, which are very different, contrary to endless debate on the subject). I had thought my journey was over that New years eve, such a long time ago, when I thought I had found my dream girl... But now I realize... through all my pain... that my journey was only beginning. And that I am destined to become one of the greatest DJs the world has ever seen!!
*cue dramatic music here* :)

PumpNightmare
09-27-2006, 08:54 PM
Last post I made reminded me of posting a situation here. I'm not sure if its AFC or maybe I'm looking too much into it. You be the judge.

Most recently, yesterday after my Japanese test, I walked out the room, and this other girl walked out of the room after me. She looked at me, grabbed my shoulders...then whispered..."Was number three x?". I stood there dumbfounded and said "yeah".
Same girl, last week, I was sitting down, and she was in front of me. We had a quiz that day. She turned around and got close to my face and said "quiz me". At the time I could of sworn she said kiss me, I moved closer and asked her to repeat herself and she sad "quiz me quick for the quiz". Ah.

Maybe she's coming on to me or she just gets really close to people. If she gets close again I might just pull her in and kiss her without warning to see if she really is interested or not.

Cod3r
11-13-2006, 09:49 PM
I stayed up till 3 AM just to talk to her for a few mins while she checked her Emails one time

This did it for me... too funny !

--
My Most AFC M<oment

I was in LOVE with this female in 9th grade highschool. I didn't know why just that my emotions ran hella high for this girl. I danced with her one time and just fell in love, beautiful most popular girl in the grade. She was white, I was black (one of only 10 black kids in my hs) btw...

I wrote her love notes signed with my name (maybe like 6 or 7 total) and was wondering why everyone always looked at me funny... Well I went super-AFC and hacked into her best guy friends hotmail account and sent a message from him asking her about me... She replied that she found me very unattractive and annoying and that she was reading my notes to everyone in the school out loud in homeroom...

She ended up coming into my homeroom, got the attention of everyone in there and threw the notes at me and told me not to ever contact her or even look at her again and then stormed out... Needless to say HS was tough 4me!

PS
Oh and I looked up one girls name in the phonebook and called outta the blue... haha man oh man my memories were great !


-Cod3r

Kev07
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
i used to keep a stone face, didn't smile or anything. said sorry for everything, and spilled my hearts out to my best friend who LJBF me

ValleyDJing
11-23-2006, 06:56 PM
This did it for me... too funny !

--
My Most AFC M<oment

I was in LOVE with this female in 9th grade highschool. I didn't know why just that my emotions ran hella high for this girl. I danced with her one time and just fell in love, beautiful most popular girl in the grade. She was white, I was black (one of only 10 black kids in my hs) btw...

I wrote her love notes signed with my name (maybe like 6 or 7 total) and was wondering why everyone always looked at me funny... Well I went super-AFC and hacked into her best guy friends hotmail account and sent a message from him asking her about me... She replied that she found me very unattractive and annoying and that she was reading my notes to everyone in the school out loud in homeroom...

She ended up coming into my homeroom, got the attention of everyone in there and threw the notes at me and told me not to ever contact her or even look at her again and then stormed out... Needless to say HS was tough 4me!

PS
Oh and I looked up one girls name in the phonebook and called outta the blue... haha man oh man my memories were great !


-Cod3r

Oh man! I bleed for you. That almost made me cry!

CactusMcDougal
11-23-2006, 07:36 PM
My most AFC moment (and the moment that I'm still living currently) is when I never quite found myself able to approach any female for any reason at all. No matter what, I could not get my (quite audible) self-dialogue to flow in a positive direction. In the end, all I was able to do was rationalize my actions.

X-Man
12-03-2006, 06:57 AM
Thought I'd pop my forum cherry with my afc moment:
I met a girl in my college class HB8 and we would chat, flirt, talk about sex, etc. Did I do anything about it? No, I thought we were just friends. When she met someone serious, I started flirting with her friend HB9 at her birthday. I get her number, find out that she really likes me, etc. Do I follow up on this? No. A year later just this week I see them both and HB8 whispers to me that both of them really wanted to fvck me back then. !!Aaargh!! :mad:

dj ben2
12-03-2006, 07:05 AM
LOLOLOLi wanna vomit about this but gave a girl a love letter i let my friend write and gave it to a girl i literally barely even knew

dj ben2
12-03-2006, 07:05 AM
LOLOLOLi wanna vomit about this but gave a girl a love letter i let my friend write and gave it to a girl i literally barely even knew

Bjorn Crimicad
12-10-2006, 01:58 AM
First forum post, for my most retarded moment.

Tonight, about an hour and a half ago.

At this club where they were having a release party for a fashion magazine. The ratio was about 70% women, 30% dudes, most of the dudes gay. Friend first of all had to introduce me to one of the women, and then after that, meet a great one.
9 or so, one of the runway models, not too skinny or anything. have a great conversation about alll sorts of crap. Tons of IOI's.
Take a break, i get some drinks with the friends. Meet up with her on the dance floor.
Dance for another half hour, then friends say its time to go.

I dont gave the nads to ask her number. And i just leave.
WTF.

After years of AFC, all through HS and College, im not going to tolerage another night like that.

Burgundy
12-30-2006, 10:33 PM
About 3-4 years ago this happend. Was 17 at the time, but that was around the time I came upon sosuave and other sites. I read, but not really into detail.

Was this VERY cute girl in my gym class. There was instantly a connection, but mostly it was physical. We would hang out and talk, she would flirt and tease.

Last day of classes before summer I go in and ask for the phone number. To my suprised I actually got it! (first number close)

I ring her up a couple days later, nervous as hell. Fumbling for words and what not. She sounded very happy and suprised that I called. I called and the convo went something like this.

ME: Hi _______ :)
HER: :D Burgundy... is that you?!
ME: Yeah, :) how are you doing, what's up?
HER: My sister is just doing my nails :D
ME: Oh cool, well i'll talk to you later then, bye

All in a nervous, fumbling for words kind of voice.
After that I called her a couple more times and she never picked up her phone and I left 2 voice messages.

AHHHHH I still kick myself over this one.

PleasureKing
12-30-2006, 11:50 PM
About 3-4 years ago this happend. Was 17 at the time, but that was around the time I came upon sosuave and other sites. I read, but not really into detail.

Was this VERY cute girl in my gym class. There was instantly a connection, but mostly it was physical. We would hang out and talk, she would flirt and tease.

Last day of classes before summer I go in and ask for the phone number. To my suprised I actually got it! (first number close)

I ring her up a couple days later, nervous as hell. Fumbling for words and what not. She sounded very happy and suprised that I called. I called and the convo went something like this.

ME: Hi _______ :)
HER: :D Burgundy... is that you?!
ME: Yeah, :) how are you doing, what's up?
HER: My sister is just doing my nails :D
ME: Oh cool, well i'll talk to you later then, bye

All in a nervous, fumbling for words kind of voice.
After that I called her a couple more times and she never picked up her phone and I left 2 voice messages.

AHHHHH I still kick myself over this one.
wow it just got worse and worse lmao. her sister probably told her not to respond back to you just to see how much you are interested in her. haha didnt think of that one did you?

Norbert
01-10-2007, 11:21 AM
Hmmmmm... well... it's not really one moment so much as it is an entire lifestyle...:down: I have this awful habit of making a move on chicks with insignificant others, and then when they attempt to LJBF, get VERY clingy, which tends to make them think Im a creeper, etc etc. :cuss: NOT COOL.

secretfire222
01-13-2007, 12:25 AM
In my first semester of college I didn't have the balls to speak with this chick when I was sober. So in all my AFC-ness I began to go to her room when I came back from partying (drunk) and start conversation (with her two best friends in the room no less). It was funny to them, since I was making an ass of myself. But I was too dumb to realize I was digging a hole for myself. Needless to say, the trademark phrase: "I think we would be better of as friends" is how that paticular scenario ended.

da_hunter
01-13-2007, 08:55 PM
buying flowers.

major afc move.

ValleyDJing
01-14-2007, 01:37 AM
buying flowers.

major afc move.

True. Especially for someone that's not "your girl". Been there, done that. *punching myself in the head as we speak*

ryannath
01-14-2007, 05:24 AM
Told my cousin's ex gf that I thought she was pretty and liked her from the moment I saw her, and it was over the internet too. Needless to say, we never went out..lol. She responded with, "You're XXXXX's (my cousin) cousin, that's too weird."

michaelhctam
01-16-2007, 11:10 AM
Going to a this HB9's house and made a massive dump in her private toilet....only finding out there was no more toilet paper left.....

Then I cried and she heard it.

I went out and she smelt my brand and gave me a :woo: look, and gave me a tissue then I accidentally SHARTED (fart with some sh!t coming out) which was impossible to NOT hear then to break the awkward situation I then said I loved her and cried even harder then she just said, "Its ok! Dont cry! We can still be friends!" She was my sisters best friend and we have known each other since the age of 8.


:rockon:

This isnt true, but man is it FVCKING FUNNY. HAHA.

ryannath
02-08-2007, 02:13 PM
Oh, I have another move. In 8th grade there was this cute chick that I always thought would make a decent gf, but I was too big of a chicken to talk to her much at all and I really didn't ever say anything to her. Then one day on the bus, she comes and sits right beside me and says, "will you go out with me?'" Me, not even being able to hold eye contact with her and she says, "I'm over here". Then I look at her and say, "maybe..I'll have to think about it." I never did tell her if I would go out with her or not.

Fast forward to the very next school year. The first day of school. This girl is a FVCKING HOTTIE with huge boobs and nipples poking out of her white tank top and I am thinking, "OMG, way to go...look at what you could have had, you fvcking dumbass." She says to me, "I'm too hot for you now ain't I?"

Now she is 21 and has two kids by two different guys though, so that's the brightside.

Hydroblunt
02-09-2007, 03:45 AM
I got you all beat.

Sophmore year, first semester, I took a liking to this girl who worked in the college gym. Hot chick, curvy body, pretty face
We were both attracted to each other. I started a convo with her by asking her to help with a stretch, was real smooth about it. Ran into her outside the next day, we talked & I got her number.

So I really wanted to hang with her that weekend. I called her like 10 times in one day, thinking she probably did not have caller ID. Talk about a stupid assumption. When she called back, she was like "I was wondering who this crazy guy was calling me". So then I ask her to meet up. LOL, can anyone guess what excuse she used?

TheManlyMan
04-30-2007, 09:21 AM
You guys don't have **** on my AFC-self.

I had one-itis for three years. Freshman, sophmore, and junior year of highschool. That girl made out with my best friend - we had an argument, but one week later we were going to prom "as friends"

ElStud
05-03-2007, 08:37 AM
Said to a girl on the bus "Hey, what's your name again?" she says "Why do you want to know" Is ay nervously "Oh, I... just wanted to get to know you" then it ends after that. Yeah... that was pretty bad.

comic_relief
05-05-2007, 05:53 PM
You guys don't have **** on my AFC-self.

I had one-itis for three years. Freshman, sophmore, and junior year of highschool. That girl made out with my best friend - we had an argument, but one week later we were going to prom "as friends"
still doesn't beat my five years of hell from sixth grade to tenth grade :P

look up my story in this thread for a funny read.

Also, I am happy for her though. She was what got me searching for something to help me out with. I found this site, so she was an intricate part of me finding myself.

comic_relief

comic_relief
05-05-2007, 05:55 PM
After nearly a 2 year haitus, Viper is finally back in the game!
ok, I'm interested. This is going to be good.

*Gets lawn chair and a beer. Ready for the fireworks.*

best of luck

comic_relief

mikeyb
05-10-2007, 05:27 PM
I got a really bad one for y'all. It might not top comic_relief's, but it taught me a thing or two about one-itis.

Senior year of high school, had a severe case of one-itis. With hindsight, the girl was an HB7 or 7.5 at most, but at the time I thought she was the hottest girl alive. Anyway, turns out she had a bf and they'd known each other since they were little kids. I decided that since she'd been with the guy for so long he must be "better" for her than me, so I did what I thought was the gentlemanly thing and let myself slip into the friendzone. Had a crush on her all year long, did nice things for her all the time. On the bright side, we did end up being good friends.
Now for the crap. I finally got to meet her bf at the graduation banquet. Guy was a total wimp, skinny as hell, five inches shorter than me, looked like a nerd, and him and the girl hardly spoke or touched all evening, it was like nothing was going on between them. So I figure if I'd gone after the chick to begin with, I might have actually ended up with her. Instead of forgetting what just happened and moving on with my life, I decided I'd try to pursue the girl anyway in the week of school that was left! Needless to say, I failed.
Two days later, just after commencement, this other girl (HB8) was hitting on me (I believe her exact words were "i'd like to get drunk with you tonight"). Any guesses as to my answer? Hint, hint: ONE-ITIS :cuss: .

Deviant_DeWilde
05-11-2007, 11:34 AM
Haha nice thread... Rewind years back, when I was just starting high school, there was this really hot chick who I was COMPLETELY into. I liked her to the point of looking up on the internet "best ever chat up lines" and pretty much giving her a monologue of them. My grand finale was what they called the ultimate pick up line, "this time next year let's be laughing together." You should've seen her reaction. It was kind of like "**** off! You are so annoying!" So much for being nice eh?

talrock
05-13-2007, 05:00 PM
wow, reading this thread makes me think back to AFC moments. This girl asked me when I was drunk, if i liked her as more than a friend. i said no, as a friend only. before this, i dated/hooked up with her sister. after this, she kept askin me who i thought was hotter, her or her sister? and what did i do? i IMed her a poem and needless to say, she blocked me! duh

i almost did an AFC move again. I hooked up with my friends ex girl. anyway, she said like twice how she wanted to go see josh grobin. i almost bought tickets for her! thank god I found this thread. and i found out the night after she hooked up with me, she fvcked my friend! oh well. no tickets for her bltch a$$!

slitherjef
05-18-2007, 12:54 AM
Okay... I will bite

A while back for a girl that worked at the store with me I was interested in. She had a husband (or boyfriend) a kid and actualy talked to me (Wheee here we go: She's talking to me, she must be interested!) Well, one day she mentioned this guy never bought her flowers, so my bAFC ass went and got her one a day later.

As you guess, that went over pretty well *end sarcasm*

A while later her and this other guy who was also interested in her and myself go to a strip club. She paid the guys cover charge because I guess he left his money in the car, told him to just pay her after we where done.

After the stripclub the three of us went to a park and chatted both of us was trying to get some alone time with her, basicly what she heard was:
Me: I wanna do you
Him: I wanna do you
Me: No, I wanna do you

Ugh! But it gets worse!

She still needed the cover charge from this other guy, which was like 10 bucks or something and this guy has an idea, "Yeah, I will give your ten bucks to you, just lift up your shirt, show me your cans and I will stick the 10spot in your breast"

They walk away and Im like what ever.

It gets worse. At work a couple days later she kisses one of my buddies. Im right there. A bit later I tell her I wanted to go down on her. I gave her my phone number. She does call it! But to talk to my buddy who was giving me a ride home from work.

WTF!?

A bit later we go to a party. She screws some guy there. Then later transfers stores.

Worse? Yup Later on when V-day rolls around, about 20am I sent her a text message wishing her a happy v-day

Sad I know.

Then I found David D and this website and now I am trying to go on the right track

seth
05-24-2007, 05:59 AM
I used to think of jokes all day while not with her, WRITE THEM DOWN, and then proceed to tell her the jokes when we met.
I wasn't funny.

Northern Lights
05-24-2007, 07:34 AM
Just the countless times I've missed the most obvious signals, I was pretty bad. Live and learn though

Kev07
06-05-2007, 08:43 PM
I drove my one-itis to her boy friend's house... beat that.

seth
06-06-2007, 07:50 AM
Happy to accomodate you:
Took my one-iteis out for a beer, wait an hour for the famous biker jerk to pick her up and take her to his place to **** her.

One more drop of bitternes against women in that ocean of bitternes inside me...

Ryan69
06-24-2007, 12:00 AM
I kept a daily journal about how I felt about a girl I was infatuated with, then when she was just about to move away from college, I GAVE IT TO HER!

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA


That is funny

just so suave
06-24-2007, 03:20 PM
back in the days lol, i told my ex she broke my heart when she broke up with me :D i recommend doing it, its great a great way to look desperate :crackup:

TheOnE111
07-02-2007, 12:39 AM
my biggest afc move? wow from when i was 16-19. We had something going but one of my many ex's f***** it up. Lol i remember those days, i started listening to love songs after that! lol

The Librarian
07-18-2007, 11:09 AM
Mine, easily, was not getting angry with my ex when she finally admited to me that she had cheated on me while she was on vacation in the bahamas. This was only two months into a two and a half year relationship and it really set the tone for the rest of the relationship by proving to her that she could do pretty much what ever she wanted.

I love Hyori Lee
07-21-2007, 08:59 PM
1. There was this huge man statue in the middle of the school. This girl that I liked had a camera and said to me, "Why don't you go over there and kiss that statue? It will be really funny."

I did it.

:o

ElStud
07-21-2007, 10:42 PM
1. There was this huge man statue in the middle of the school. This girl that I liked had a camera and said to me, "Why don't you go over there and kiss that statue? It will be really funny."

I did it.

:o
Wow... Yeah, can't say I've ever topped that one.

touge
07-22-2007, 01:45 AM
asked my best chick friend to kiss her..

'can i kiss you'

plenty more painful AFC things have happened. The list could go for years

talking to this girl online all the time.. letting her have control of my life for nearly 2 solid years.

Aprenti$playa&pimp
07-23-2007, 09:38 AM
man.... we were all saps a long time ago, weren't we? Good to see most of us have made alot of progress since then.

Trunks
07-23-2007, 11:44 AM
Not so long ago ...
"Well, since you don't like me, could you introduce me to friends of yours who I might be interested in?". Boy, did that sound desperate!

Hopefully, being here will help me learn the ropes.:rockon:

xerex
08-01-2007, 12:59 PM
oh i got one..in typing class last year..this spanish girl typed her number on the computer then poked me in the shoulder and said in such a obvious way "That's my number"..me being the AFC that i was..i handed her a pen and said "u mind writing it down for me?" oh how stupid

playa99
08-08-2007, 04:31 PM
telling a girl i liked her, doing absolulety nothing and telling i was embarassed about telling her i liked herr, sooo AFC lol AFC days are officialy over nowadays though

jtrain 289
08-08-2007, 06:58 PM
oh i got one..in typing class last year..this spanish girl typed her number on the computer then poked me in the shoulder and said in such a obvious way "That's my number"..me being the AFC that i was..i handed her a pen and said "u mind writing it down for me?" oh how stupid


Thats not afc you were actual being type of a challenge to her