“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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the rules to keep a girl/woman facts sheet - is it really worth it?

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I got this off a movie review link. A bunch of interesting info, kind of like a what women want facts sheet;

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Here are the Roissy’s Maxim’s;

Roissy’s Maxims

Maxim #1: Women desire men of better quality than themselves.

Maxim #2: Women are turned on by displays of male power.

Maxim #3: Whenever an attractive girl tells you she hates *******s, or describes her experience in the past dating *******s and claims to avoid them now, or recites a laundry list of assh0le-y things guys do that she disapproves of, you can bet your weight in gold bricks that she wants you to be an assh0le to her.

Maxim #4: Never trust a woman who is missing a sense of humor.

Maxim #6: Never. Make. It. Easy. For. A. Woman.

Maxim #7: Your girl will thank you for your steadfast devotion to your belief in yourself.

Maxim #8: Always assume she is a slut. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.

Maxim #9: The greater the age difference between the older man and the younger woman, the tighter his game will need to be, barring compensatory attributes (money).

Maxim #10: Marriage is a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude.

Maxim #11: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing.

Maxim #12: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.

Maxim #13: When in doubt, game.

Maxim #14: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. Human nature says that you can‘t have it both ways.

Maxim #15: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.

Maxim #16: The two fundamental propositions are male choosiness and female abundance. All alpha males have these two mindsets in common. Corollary: Male choosiness and female abundance do not necessarily have to be true for the strategy of behaving as if they are true to be effective at seduction.

Maxim #17: The alpha male thinks and acts more like a woman than a man in matters of seduction. He understands his adversary’s psychology, and uses it to allay her defenses.

Maxim #18: Never talk about getting into a relationship even if she says that’s what she’s looking for.

Maxim #19: Withholding sex is the tactic of a woman who has already lost. It is mutually assured destruction.

Maxim #20: If a woman says the word “sex” in conversation with you or about you, no matter the context, it means she’s thinking about having sex with you.

Maxim #21: Women are more pliable in the company of competing women.

Maxim #22: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.

Maxim #23: The vagina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations are secondary.

Maxim #24: When in doubt, ask yourself “WWJD?” What Would a Jerk Do? Then do that.

Maxim #25: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.

Maxim #26: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.

Maxim #27: If you want a wife, stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun, fun, fun” and “get bored easily”.

Maxim #28: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by it.

Maxim #29: Xenophobia is good for diversity.

Maxim #30: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

Maxim #31: If you plan on cheating and subsequently get caught, act like a total d1ck who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.

Maxim #32: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error when needed.

Maxim #33: Women need to test men for their grace under pressure.

Maxim #34: If she’s hot, why would she bother with online dating?

Maxim #35: Never trust a woman’s advice on how to please women. Her advice is designed for alpha men she already finds attractive and from whom she seeks signals of attainability and commitment.

Maxim #36: A woman’s sex and relationship advice isn’t meant to help men; it’s meant to distract men from what really works to attract women.

Maxim #37: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.

Maxim #38: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.

Maxim #39: The worst thing to happen to women in America was women’s suffrage.

Maxim #40: Men are becoming ever bigger betas in their dealings with women. Men are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.

Maxim #41: The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who excites you. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself.

Maxim # 42: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy bl0wjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.

Maxim #43: In their sexual primes women’s attraction for *******s is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but sh1t attracts the most well-fed flies.

Maxim #44: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.

Maxim #45: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.

Maxim #46: Whenever you hear or read the words “gender”, “gendered”, “gendered norm”, “subtle gender bias”, or “increasingly egalitarian, yet there remains…” know that you are dealing with a leftwing moonbat, blank-slate believing fruitcake who cannot deal with the fact that men and women are biologically different from birth.

Maxim #47: Awareness of a woman’s games is a precision-guided weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction.

Maxim #48: Respect the momentum.

Maxim #49: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyper-rationalize their sub-par mate choice.

Maxim #50: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.

Maxim #51: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.

Maxim #52: Underneath the veneer of civilized discourse we act in ways that are brazenly self-interested in the short term.

Maxim #53: All kneel before the god of biomechanics, by sword or by surrender.

Maxim #54: When a woman has incentive to lie, she will choose lying over honesty EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Maxim #55: Run for your Life sh1t Tests:
BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman.
When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the sh1t test of ALL sh1t tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this sh1t test, you are RUINED. FOR. LIFE.

Maxim #60: Waving a roll of benjamins at a woman will not give her tingles. In fact, it will often do the opposite.

Maxim #73: When a girl emphatically insists she is so over you, she’s never been more into you.

Maxim #21: Betas pay, alphas split, super alphas profit.

Maxim #39: A woman’s standards are like a house of cards: kick out one from the bottom and the whole edifice crashes down.

Maxim #85: As women’s bodies age and weaken, their rationalization hamsters grow bigger and stronger. Eventually, the hamster is powerful enough to take control of all higher order consciousness.

Maxim #87: The more expensive or thoughtful the gift you give a girl, the greater the risk that she will subconsciously begin to think she is too good for you.

Corollary to Maxim #87: If you are dating out of your league, or you are dating a young hot babe in her prime, you should do the exact opposite of what everyone will tell you to do — *don’t* buy her expensive gifts. Be particularly wary of advice from women. No woman in the world is capable of thinking clearly or impartially on the matter of “acceptable” levels of male provisioning. Even old, fat hausfrau hogs will expect mountains of jewels in offerings from men.

Maxim #105: Where there’s incentive, there are lies.

Maxim #109: Consensual polyamory is a contrived hookup service for undesirable sexual market rejects.

Maxim #198: Use of the word “disenfranchised” or other similar nomenclature of deconstructivist post-modern pablum automatically discredits an argument for serious consideration.

Maxim #200: Chicks dig guys willing to risk an early, gruesome death. Expendability is a DHV.

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now seriously, this gives me a headache just thinking about all this crap. is it really worth it? jumping through these hoops and following rules? are women really this complicated? it's quite amazing when you think about it. one little wrong thing can fuk everything up. now i am a nice guy by nature. some of the things id have to do just to keep a woman around would make me not feel like myself but apparently you have to play the game if you want to keep her around. it's kind of sad really when you think about it. but that's how it is.
 
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its all stuff we know about already, nice little summary though
 

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LoneWolf said:
I got this off a movie review link. A bunch of interesting info, kind of like a what women want facts sheet;

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now seriously, this gives me a headache just thinking about all this crap. is it really worth it? jumping through these hoops and following rules? are women really this complicated? it's quite amazing when you think about it. one little wrong thing can fuk everything up. now i am a nice guy by nature. some of the things id have to do just to keep a woman around would make me not feel like myself but apparently you have to play the game if you want to keep her around. it's kind of sad really when you think about it. but that's how it is.

It's not like this list of things is at the forefront of your mind as you're talking to a girl you want. This list just boils down the truths of what the male-female dynamic is for men who are successful with girls. It's not "jumping through hoops" or "following rules" anymore than the laws of gravity. It's just how things are.

I think the more experience you get with women, the more you'll realize these things. You can still be your normal, nice self. I do well with girls and I'm not a "jerk" in the sense that the Pick Up Community uses the term. But there are certain things that I just WON'T do, even in my own nice guy way. I won't always pick the tab. I don't immediately return texts. If I find myself "confused" about a relationship with a girl, I leave it...because I know that mixed signals are the sign of a dying relationship.

These aren't things that you think about daily as you speak to women in your life. These are just the truths that you probably hadn't thought about or seen before. Things like "Be narcissistic" are the opposite of conventional thinking, but it's a truth. "Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing"....absolutely F'ing true. A lot of guys try to fight girls over their lies. F**k that. They don't operate by the same moral code as us. Don't expect them to.

Stuff like this is just important to know. Don't let it stress you out just because you're seeing it in a big list. It's not a manifesto. You don't have to memorize it. Just read it, digest it, and move forward. It helps.
 

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Wow this is great. If there's any noobs out there looking for some new things to try out with your plates (or new attitudes to shift towards), pick any one of these and watch sh!t transform in front of your eyes.

I wish I had read this stuff back in my AFC days instead of waiting for external factors to "convince" me to join the dark side. It's neat that this is also well worded and has good thought organization too. I like it.
 

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Oh and, to answer your question, ABSOLUTELY are these factors/attitudes/principles necessary. YES, the hoops need to be placed. But you aren't the one jumping through them; she is. OF COURSE it is worth it, assuming you are interested in something other than your mediocre 7.5 lays. Go get em :D

It is sad. But it's life now. It's just what it is... Veridin posted in another thread about how before it was about going to the ball and being chivalrous towards a woman and that was that. Now it's just a bunch of bullsh!t, back and forth, texting, games, competition, ****blocking ridiculousness. It's just how it is. Take it or leave it. No one is forcing you to play. And it doesn't have to be that difficult, it doesn't have to be life's #1 priority. Just be social a few extra days a week, it goes such a long way - Go out of your way once or twice here and there to meet new people - men/women, wherever it is.
 

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To add to Dr.Danger's salient advice I would say ask yourself when you are about to do something that you're unsure of "Would a woman do that?"

If the answer is yes then don't do it. If it's no then proceed.
 

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Generally, if you actually treat a girl like sh!t they get turned on by it x10

This is because you're showing you don't need them and can replace her in a second.

This kicks her biological settings into overdrive, she must get her eggs fertilized by this guy who has an abundance of choice, because he has the best genes.

It's all simple biochemistry.
 

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LoneWolf said:
Maxim #8: Always assume she is a slut. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.
This seems to be a very commonly held belief in the seduction community. I must admit I am a bit confused by it too. First things first, obviously not EVERY girl everywhere is a slut. But second of all the idea that you should look at a girl as a slut, not because it's true, but as a way to shield yourself from certain emotions you may (admittedly pre-emptively) feel for a girl is just insane. A lot of guys enter the seduction commuinity as a way to become sluts themselves, and I feel it is bad to continue on bashing female sexuality as a way to either elevate yourself or lower another person.

Maxim #14: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. Human nature says that you can‘t have it both ways.
Even if this were true...actually screw it lets say it's true. So what? Are you seriously suggesting that as men we form some kind of cabal bent on keeping the female sex inequal to ourselves so we can make our dating lives easier? Are you insane? It would be very pathetic to actually form the mythical patriarchy some radical feminists talk of just to make getting a little poon-tang easier.

Maxim #25: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.
And isn't this the essence of being an alpha male? That you are a special little snowflake that deserves all the respect and love and admoration of the world. Why do you need to put it in such condecending terms? It really can be healthy to internalize such a negative message. Rather than looking at people as individuals you now refer to them as "special little snowflakes"? Well, arn't you "mommy's special little soldier"?

Maxim #29: Xenophobia is good for diversity.
And homophobia is a good way to make sure you don't come down with a bit of the gay. Also, how is this dating advice other than helping to internalize the message of "Be a giant prick if you want people to like you"?

Maxim #39: The worst thing to happen to women in America was women’s suffrage.
Wow, just wow.

Maxim #40: Men are becoming ever bigger betas in their dealings with women. Men are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.
I take back my "wow". If you seriously hold this belief then you are just a wart on society's ass. Women have no place in the relm of logic? I know this is again another commonly held belief in the seduction community and it is so entrenched than nothing I ever say or do will unwedge it from some people brains but damn, that is probably the most prickish way I have ever seen it phrased. So far all I've gotten from this is that in order to be good with women is to be a huge prick and try and force women back into the barefoot kitchen, baby making machines they are. I'll tell you this is patenly false, and my admittedly anecdotal evidence from both men an women lets me know that everyone is a tempermental and illogical child sometimes (And no, one sex is not that way more often).

Maxim #198: Use of the word “disenfranchised” or other similar nomenclature of deconstructivist post-modern pablum automatically discredits an argument for serious consideration.
The seduction community was founded on bringing "Alphaness" back to the disenfranchised beta community and is also an attempt to deconstruct the notion of the disney fantasy relationships, including but not limited to: dating and marriage, that is so common in the psyche of the average frustrated person. Also the fact that they chose the word 'deconstructivist' shows they arn't actually familiar with social constructivism. As far as I know deconstructivism is a form of architecture and deconstruction is a literary technique. Also the post-modern was thrown in there for no reason, but I'm already being a huge prick by pointing all this out so I'll stop here.



I was going to go over them one by one, but I figured I'd pull out a few of my favorites. Also, sorry if I was suppose to just nod my head and say, "this is AWESOME!"
 

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Orchard said:
I was going to go over them one by one, but I figured I'd pull out a few of my favorites. Also, sorry if I was suppose to just nod my head and say, "this is AWESOME!"
I appreciate a person who doesn't blindly absorb the information on this site. So kudos to you.

And yeah, that xenophobia rule came out of left field. Being afraid of other cultures is good for diversity? I'm sure there was some thought process behind that, but damn, we're just talking about girls here...I don't need to get that deep.

It would be funny if he snuck in some hardcore right/left wing ideology in these tips though:

Rule#7: Flowers are for chumps
Rule#29: Never apologize
Rule#72: Jewish bankers are corrupting our agriculture


This seems to be a very commonly held belief in the seduction community. I must admit I am a bit confused by it too. First things first, obviously not EVERY girl everywhere is a slut. But second of all the idea that you should look at a girl as a slut, not because it's true, but as a way to shield yourself from certain emotions
I think the "slut" approach is more geared towards this: There's a girl you kinda like, and since you only kinda like her, you're comfortable escalating sexually because she's not up on some "perfect 10" pedestal in your head. She's just sort of cute, and you're confident that you can reel her in. Now let's say you meet some awesome girl. You love her hobbies. You think she's brilliant. Your genes combined with her genes could create a dynasty that would last 1,000 years. Now, I don't know about you...but sometimes when I encounter girls with such high potential, I treat them differently. You don't want to seduce them like that HB7 you met at the bar. You want to romance her. You want this one to be "special". The "slut" thing comes in handy as a reminder: "Hey, just like that HB7, this 'perfect girl' is waiting for a man to excite her sexually and emotionally. All girls are. And ultimately, it'll probably be the guy who DIDN'T put her on a pedestal that ends up doing her doggy style after a night of wine and filet mignon"

I don't look at it as putting the girl down. It's just a reminder not to treat her like a precious piece of porcelain. If this hypothetical hotty is into you, she wants you to be sexual with her, and not break out all the cheesy, corny, romantic crap.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Danger said:
Somewhere along the line, you were successfully fed the belief that men and women are the same and thus should be treated the same. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Sorry, I'll never buy into the idea that half the population need to be subjegated "for their own good". Also, I don't believe that men and women are the same. I believe that they are equal and should be treated as such.

I will never look at a woman and think, "My penis gives me powers of reasoning she will never be capable of, and also keeps me emotionally grounded in ways she never thought possible."

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I don't look at it as putting the girl down. It's just a reminder not to treat her like a precious piece of porcelain. If this hypothetical hotty is into you, she wants you to be sexual with her, and not break out all the cheesy, corny, romantic crap.
See, that I can agree with. You remind yourself that you are infact equal to her and that by being smoking hot she isn't any better than you. But I'm just imagining a guy who is terrible with women coming along, seeing everyone espouse their knowledge of girls sluttiness, and becoming little pockets of hatred and misogyny. This should be FUN, and you should enjoy the company you keep. I can understand knocking people down a few pegs that you, yourself, have artificially created for them. But it still rubs me the wrong way to do that by saying she's a slut. It's more semantics at this point, but I feel like you should try and internalize a more positive message before you become jaded. So:

Rule #8: She wants to get laid just as much (if not more) as you do.

Rule # 42: Do you have a penis? does she have a vagina? CONGRATULATIONS! you were literally made for each other!
 

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What a bunch of innane and asanine psychobabble from another self-professed PUA nerd. All of that could have been summed up in 3 bullet points

1. Don't take any sh*t or disrespect from women.
2. Don't kiss her a*s
3. Stop giving a flying f*ck
 

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Totally agree with the anti-feminist stuff. Feminism was invented by women like Betty Friedan, Susan Sonntag, Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, either members of the communist party (Betty Friedan) or associated with its members and projects. The goal was "Cultural Marxism", something Gramsci and the Frankfurt School invented to turn the West when economic Marxism didn't fly. Like Dworkin said when she heard of increasing divorce rates after feminism took off: "It's a good start."

Disagree with the macho stuff, though. What's a "slut" anyway? Seems like there are two versions:

A woman calling another woman a slut: She's a woman who has sex.
A man calling a woman a slut: She's a woman who won't have sex with him.

More about the list:

Marriage is not "a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude." That's the same kind of cynicism and demonization that feminists use. Marriage emerged because it is efficient. Two parents who divide responsibilities between themselves, is the most efficient way to raise children and give them a good start in life.

A man shouldn't be a narcissist. Not falling for feminism doesn't mean you should act like an ass. You should be a responsible man who takes responsibility, not just for himself but for his surroundings. You should learn from real men. It's not Al Bundy or Stuart Bondek or similar crude charicatures created by Hollywood as a false counter to feminism - which only convinces people that feminism is at the bottom right after all.

Women are not our "adversaries" - again, that's hostility on a level with feminists.

You should not act like the Jerk. The jerk is appreciated by some women because he seems to have quality, because that is how he acts, but it is fake. When you get past adolescence, the jerk is working at a fast-food restaurant and is exposed as a fake. Intelligent women never were impressed by him in the first place.

"If you plan on cheating and subsequently get caught, act like a total d1ck who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did." --No. Does the author of this list have any successful experiences with women? I suspect he needs to get laid.

"The definition of Inner Game: Hit on every woman who excites you. Make life uncomfortable for them, not yourself." --We should not make life "uncomfortable" for women. This sounds like a guy who has met with failure and is bitter. We should lead women. And be good enough to deserve the position as leader. Being a non-feminist man doesn't mean to be an ass, it means to take responsibility.

"In their sexual primes women’s attraction for *******s is at its strongest. You can catch a lot of hungry flies with honey, but sh1t attracts the most well-fed flies." -- Again: bitterness, women are sluts, they fall for sh.it - none of this prepares guys for real social interactions with quality women.

"The more expensive or thoughtful the gift you give a girl, the greater the risk that she will subconsciously begin to think she is too good for you." -- This only sounds clever, but it isn't true. If you are in a relationship, you give each other gifts.


All this seems like the other side of the feminist coin. Turning women and men against each other. Read the DJ Bible, and you will get a more nuanced view of women. It's not all black and white. You don't have to divide people into angels and demons. We are simply biological, fallible creatures with varying levels of intellect and desires, who nevertheless manage to build functional lives and have a fairly good time doing it.
 
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