Guys,

Take a little advice from an old-timer who has done a lot of in-field experimentaion...

This stuff applies a little more readily to LTRs (especially the second part) but the first part of this can be easily applied to short-term stuff.

You need to learn to balance chivalry with "bad boy". When you find the right combination, the results are absolutely magic.

Women deeply love and positively respond to chivalry (opening the door for her, etc.). She will give you negative points for not being chivalrous, and she will award you MASSIVE points for demonstrating those qualities.

They LOVE LOVE LOVE those contrived social gestures. These subconsciously remind her of her romance novels, her childhood stories of princes and princesses. Why not use that and leverage it to your advantage? The fantasies are already implanted. Trigger them with chivalry. Easy points.

However, this must be offset by some bad-boy "I don't take any sh!t" attitude. You need to call her on her sh!t in a calm, self-controlled manner. You need to withhold the "I love you's" and unleash them in a rare, dramatic, and unexpected way. Make her starve for them, then unleash them in a torrent of emotion.

For example, grab her out of the blue, unexpectedly, almost violently and whisper to her passionately, "Do you have any idea how much I love you?" She will freak out inside (in a good way) and those extremely rare firestorms of emotion will pave the way for your bad boy, manly day-to-day stuff. She will put up with all sorts of sh!t from you, because number one, she knows that you show her those gestures of chivalry (which she values extremely highly), and number two, she will be waiting in excited anticipation for the next "grab and blab".

I'll say it again, if you do this, the results will be almost magical.

I'm Atom Smasher, and I endorse this message...

Yes indeed, Atom raises a powerful point about creating contrasts and inducing swings of emotion in her .This is rarely promoted in PU literature and poorly understood by most men.
You being the eternal 'bad boy ' can be just as tedious and off putting as playing the endless 'nice guy.

Be both on various occasions and alternate the roles frequently . That way she gets two boyfriends for the price of admission .

jophil28 said:

Yes indeed, Atom raises a powerful point about creating contrasts and inducing swings of emotion in her .This is rarely promoted in PU literature and poorly understood by most men.
You being the eternal 'bad boy ' can be just as tedious and off putting as playing the endless 'nice guy.

Be both on various occasions and alternate the roles frequently . That way she gets two boyfriends for the price of admission .

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Vary well articulated, jophil as usual. I know I can always count on you to smooth out the rough edges of my writings, and that's a good and welcome thing!

Here is a story from last night. My gf and I went to the movies. On the way back to the car after the movies were over, I opened the car door for her.

When we got home. We had sex.

I don't think you can call that a coincidence. I mean the evidence is overwhelming and I think that this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that opening a car door for a girl is an automatic in for sex.

Cliff notes>

Go to Movies with girl

Open car door for her on way home

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Profit

I fully agree with this. There isn't anything to add to this, because I've noticed how well this works. I haven't been in the "I love you" stage yet since my transformation from AFC to DJ, but I used to do the same thing with "Do you have any idea how insanely attractive you are?". Chicks get all blushy if you pull this one off the right way.

Yea I agree that somethings don't have to be said to induce a curiosity of passion. It might envoke a "If you know how to act on a date then you must know how to act under the sheets" wondering.

Dinner at her place, I start to do the dishes, she will always tell me I dont have to do that. I crack a grin and let her know its no problem but I could use some extra hands to hold the plate. Then play off that kino. I don't suffer any manhood loss because I run the water hotter, or can scub food off a plate. Hell I can swap out the water pump on a 81 firebird in under 20 minutes. Washed dishes does not make me less of a man. :yes: