Ben Roethlisberger STILL being accused of rape

[Trader]

I'm sure you all know the story now

The DA has dropped the charges saying there is 'insufficient evidence' to move forward with a trial. The DA claims that the accuser has changed her story multiple times.

What's interesting is that today on espn.com - the accuser's friends are all corroborating her story. But if the accuser's friends are all telling the truth, why did the DA drop the charges? I doubt the reliability of the friends' claims.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5094224

The charges have been dropped for a CRIMINAL suit. The accuser could still file a civil suit. Paradoxically, the accuser is no longer pursuing any charges in a civil suit, I think she got paid off by Roethlisberger so she won't futher blacken his reputation.

The funny thing is that every time a girl cries rape, the general public and the maginas *automatically* take the girl's side. Just take a look at the comments on the espn page. There are many motivations for a girl to lie about rape.

[OFWHAP]

Multiple women have accused Roethlisberger of sexual assault. This guy practices really poor judgment. Have you seen pictures of this guy on the internet? He gets black-out drunk pretty often and you see pictures of him hanging on all these girls while his eyes are rolling in the back of his head. He also rides motorcycles in violation of his contract.

[Trader]

Multiple women have accused Roethlisberger of sexual assault. This guy practices really poor judgment. Have you seen pictures of this guy on the internet? He gets black-out drunk pretty often and you see pictures of him hanging on all these girls while his eyes are rolling in the back of his head. He also rides motorcycles in violation of his contract.

I agree that he exercised poor judgment. He is the face of the Steelers franchise and should take preventive measures.

However, that is a completely separate issue to what I am talking about.

Did he actually rape her? Probably not. They were both drunk. The girl got hammered and when you do that at some random bar, hey anything goes.

Besides, the fact that Roethlisberger is famous and wealthy, has to be a factor affecting the believability of the girl's claims.

[OFWHAP]

I agree that he exercised poor judgment. He is the face of the Steelers franchise and should take preventive measures.

However, that is a completely separate issue to what I am talking about.

Did he actually rape her? Probably not. They were both drunk. The girl got hammered and when you do that at some random bar, hey anything goes.

Besides, the fact that Roethlisberger is famous and wealthy, has to be a factor affecting the believability of the girl's claims.

Did his penis actually penetrate her vagina? I have no idea. It can't be proven at this point. If you want to learn more, read the police report on thesmokinggun.com. It's not as though she came out a week later and said this happened. She went straight to the cops as soon as she got out of the bathroom. Roethlisberger did admit to a friend that he and the girl had "fooled around." Either way he took advantage of highly-intoxicated girl.

[Trader]

Did his penis actually penetrate her vagina? I have no idea. It can't be proven at this point. If you want to learn more, read the police report on thesmokinggun.com. It's not as though she came out a week later and said this happened. She went straight to the cops as soon as she got out of the bathroom. Roethlisberger did admit to a friend that he and the girl had "fooled around." Either way he took advantage of highly-intoxicated girl.

Casinos are known to give free drinks to high-rollers. When that high roller gambles away his money while intoxicated, do you say the casino "took advantage* of the gambler? Of course not, the gambler put himself in that situation.

Same thing with this intoxicated girl.

And also the testimony of the alleged victim had changed several times when questioned, that was the main reason why the DA decided not to follow through with the charges.

[OFWHAP]

So you're saying you can't take advantage of a drunk girl? Do you and your friends go for the girls that can barely stand up and rationalize it by saying it's her problem she got so drunk? Also a casino can't make you gamble. If what this girl says is true, she was telling him, "No" and he had his way with her anyway. Her friends say that they were prevented from retrieving their friend by Roethlisberger's body guards. How about the security tapes that were mysteriously erased? In the end, he took advantage of a drunk girl who actually wanted the charges dropped anyway. Whether there was penetration or not, he even told one of his friends that they did something in the bathroom.

[Trader]

So you're saying you can't take advantage of a drunk girl? Do you and your friends go for the girls that can barely stand up and rationalize it by saying it's her problem she got so drunk?

I don't go for drunk girls personally - I don't even drink.

My point is, it's not her problem, it's not his problem. It's no one's problem. She went to the party, got hammered in a public area. Once she does that, all bets are off, practically speaking, from a real world point of view. You know it, I know it.

Also a casino can't make you gamble. If what this girl says is true, she was telling him, "No" and he had his way with her anyway. Her friends say that they were prevented from retrieving their friend by Roethlisberger's body guards. How about the security tapes that were mysteriously erased? In the end, he took advantage of a drunk girl who actually wanted the charges dropped anyway. Whether there was penetration or not, he even told one of his friends that they did something in the bathroom.

The problem with your argument is that you assumed he was completely sober. He was drunk too. She was not of the right mind, and neither was he. You can say what he did was *morally* reprehensible, and that he should be held accountable even though he was drunk. Fine.

But there's no way he's going to get charged for a LEGAL crime such as rape given the circumstances that everyone was drunk. The accuser couldn't even keep her story straight she was so blitzed, so they had to drop charges.

[Rescue Mission]

When Trader makes a thread defending a man, you KNOW this is some serious business!

Ben Rothlisberger.....he is what, 25 years old?

He is a multi millionaire, and he can have any hot piece of azz that he wants, how can ANYONE who is sane think that he would rape or sexually assault someone? The second a girl says NO to him, he has 5 other girls just as hot saying YES - rape/sexual assault does not apply to the rich and famous, PERIOD.......anyone who has you believe otherwise is completely delusional

So what if 2 bytches accused him of something and then later dropped the charges?? THE BYTCH WANTED MONEY, AND SHE BLACKMAILED THE FAMOUS AFC PVSSY NAMED BEN OUT OF HIS MONEY - there was no rape or crime committed!!

The only CRIME here is that these kinds of women CONTINUE to get away with their false rape charges, and until some of these pvssified media outlets call them out on their shyt, they will CONTINUE to do more of the same!

There is NEVER rape when a celebrity has sex with a random chick........why would the chick even be there without fully knowing that she's about to be fvcked by a celebrity??? These girls are NOT innocent victims, they are instead exactly the kind of swine that we are always warned about.......Big Ben Rothlisberger has just been unlucky to end up fvcking a couple of mentally messed up women.

The coverage on it is just sickening - I am from New England, and I might just become a Steelers fan just to support Big Ben on his don juan player ways!!

[Reyaj]

When Trader makes a thread defending a man, you KNOW this is some serious business!

Ben Rothlisberger.....he is what, 25 years old?

He is a multi millionaire, and he can have any hot piece of azz that he wants, how can ANYONE who is sane think that he would rape or sexually assault someone? The second a girl says NO to him, he has 5 other girls just as hot saying YES - rape/sexual assault does not apply to the rich and famous, PERIOD.......anyone who has you believe otherwise is completely delusional

So what if 2 bytches accused him of something and then later dropped the charges?? THE BYTCH WANTED MONEY, AND SHE BLACKMAILED THE FAMOUS AFC PVSSY NAMED BEN OUT OF HIS MONEY - there was no rape or crime committed!!

The only CRIME here is that these kinds of women CONTINUE to get away with their false rape charges, and until some of these pvssified media outlets call them out on their shyt, they will CONTINUE to do more of the same!

There is NEVER rape when a celebrity has sex with a random chick........why would the chick even be there without fully knowing that she's about to be fvcked by a celebrity??? These girls are NOT innocent victims, they are instead exactly the kind of swine that we are always warned about.......Big Ben Rothlisberger has just been unlucky to end up fvcking a couple of mentally messed up women.

The coverage on it is just sickening - I am from New England, and I might just become a Steelers fan just to support Big Ben on his don juan player ways!!



eh... I dont know. A lot of famous people seem to be on powertrips.... if a girl tells them no they probably can't believe it.... but anyway aside from that, yes Ben Roethlisberger is famous and rich but..

he is 1 ugly mofo lol

[OFWHAP]

Ben Roethlisberger is 28. Have you seen pictures of this guy out at the bar? His body guards were blocking entry to the bathroom. The DA confirmed that this girl had vaginal lacerations and that there was DNA present, but not enough to be conclusive. Whether he truly raped her or not, he is a giant sleaze who has trouble getting any kind of sympathy from me. If you've already been accused of sexual assault, don't get trashed with a bunch of college girls who aren't even 21 and put yourself in the position to even be accused of rape.

[Zarky]

I don't understand how men would take a side against this guy. It could happen to any man. It's happened to me, a jilted ex-girlfriend told the cops I did some sh!tty things to her but fortunately her story was all over the place and they didn't believe her. I still had to hire a lawyer and it cost me $$$. If you don't think it could happen to you then wait around a while.

These accusations happen all the time to guys. If the DA doesn't press charges it's because he thinks the woman is full of sh!t. DAs will press charges on sex crimes if there's even the slightest hint that the guy did it. They'll over charge the guy and then plea down to lesser charges. Even if the guy is totally innocent he'll accept the plea so he doesn't face the possibility of 10-20 years in jail. Why do DAs do this? Because it wins political points for them.

We have to side with the dude for our own protection, no matter what we think of him as a person.

[MatureDJ]

What I don't understand is why he doesn't just hire some high priced 'ho. He makes about a net $5M/year. If he merely spent 2% of that on azz, that would be $100K. He could hire a steady stream of azz for that price, even legal ones in Nevada.

[OFWHAP]

Ben Roethlisberger is really not worth defending. The DA is pretty much convinced he did it. The reason charges were never pressed was A) The girl and her family wanted charges dropped a while ago and B) they were unable to find evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Basically he got off due to the fact that this girl was too drunk to tell her story coherently. She had vaginal injuries according to the rape kit. Ben Roethlisberger is commonly known as a scumbag who can't stay away from underage sorority girls. Once again, he's not a pity case. He's a premature midlife crisis.

[OFWHAP]

On top of that the original cop in the case has resigned. He told the girl not to bother pressing charges because Roethlisberger is rich and famous. He also made disparaging comments about her to other cops. On top of that, he was involved in some photographs with Roethlisberger earlier. Hmmm. What about the bouncers blocking the bathroom door? What about the fact that Ben Roethlisberger admitted to a friend that they at least "fooled around?" Bottom line he took advantage of a girl who was way too drunk. Once again, I'm not going to waste my breath defending this guy.

[Danger]

On top of that the original cop in the case has resigned. He told the girl not to bother pressing charges because Roethlisberger is rich and famous. He also made disparaging comments about her to other cops. On top of that, he was involved in some photographs with Roethlisberger earlier. Hmmm. What about the bouncers blocking the bathroom door? What about the fact that Ben Roethlisberger admitted to a friend that they at least "fooled around?" Bottom line he took advantage of a girl who was way too drunk. Once again, I'm not going to waste my breath defending this guy.


Why is it only the man that is responsible for his actions and not the woman?

[Rescue Mission]

Ben Roethlisberger is really not worth defending. The DA is pretty much convinced he did it. The reason charges were never pressed was A) The girl and her family wanted charges dropped a while ago and B) they were unable to find evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Basically he got off due to the fact that this girl was too drunk to tell her story coherently. She had vaginal injuries according to the rape kit. Ben Roethlisberger is commonly known as a scumbag who can't stay away from underage sorority girls. Once again, he's not a pity case. He's a premature midlife crisis.


MORON!

1) There has never been evidence of Big Ben fvckign any woman under the age of 18, so don't come at us and say "he can't stay away from underage sorority girls" - that's an oxymoron anyway, because all sorority girls are in college and OF age.

2) A girl being "too drunk" to tell her story? I GUARANTEE YOU that in her drunken stupor, she wanted to fvck Big Ben, there is no doubt about it that this is how a drunk college girl operates.

3) You are a feminized pvssy, I noticed that you have barely posted since joining this site years ago, maybe you should just go back to that

[Rescue Mission]

On top of that the original cop in the case has resigned. He told the girl not to bother pressing charges because Roethlisberger is rich and famous. He also made disparaging comments about her to other cops. On top of that, he was involved in some photographs with Roethlisberger earlier. Hmmm. What about the bouncers blocking the bathroom door? What about the fact that Ben Roethlisberger admitted to a friend that they at least "fooled around?" Bottom line he took advantage of a girl who was way too drunk. Once again, I'm not going to waste my breath defending this guy.

Once again, you are a MORON!

1) Making disparaging comments about anyone, anytime, is LEGAL - see 1st amendment......or are we making special modifications to the amendment that men are not allowed to have free speech when talking about poor little princesses???

2) What is wrong with someone, ANYONE, being in photographs with someone famous? Damn, if I ever see big ben, I would also want a photo taken with him - this is basic sports athlete stuff, anyone who ever meets and talks to a famous sports star, will obviously love it to have photos taken with them - the more the better.

3) Bouncers blocking door - hmmm maybe it has to do with the fact that a celebrity is getting it on with a hot college chick, and he payed off the bouncer to have some privacy - that's of course illegal in your feminized little head, right?

4) Ben admitted to at least fooling around.....fooling around is mutual, it's not sexual assault, you pvssy

5) Girl was way too drunk?? A WAY TOO DRUNK GIRL WOULD BE PUKING HER GUTS OUT AND NOT BE ABLE TO STAND!! A girl who has drank a good amount and is horny and wants to get fvcked is not being taken advantage of, nobody made her drink, it was her decision.

Get off this forum, you don't belong here and you only poison the minds of the up and coming don juans who read this forum, you poison their minds with pvssified thinking and nice-guy "don't take advantage of women" CHUMP TALK

owned

[hansol]

Why the personal attacks, Rescue? Offer a legitimate rebuttal, fine, but no need to start personally attacking a guy because you disagree.

1) Disparaging remarks can lead to a legal argument regarding the basis of "intent". That's why you hear the cliched line from the Miranda rights "...anything you say can and will be used against you...."

2) I don't want a picture taken with an athlete. I'm sure they have better things to do with their time, as do I.

3) Again, the "intent" argument. A good lawyer would have a field day with that.

4) One party says they "fooled around", ergo "mutual" by your definition. Chick says she was raped. Ergo "not mutual".

5) Everyone knows not to chase badly drunken women. A glass of wine, fine. A broad loaded off her ass, yeah, not a good idea. You're right though, it is her decision as to whether or not she wants to shag. Where the trouble starts is when she DOESN'T want to.

I'm not saying what's right or what's wrong, as I don't know all the angles here. I do know that the evidence being presented so far doesn't lend itself well to Ben being thought of as an angel. But reasonable doubt being what it is and all, it's just speculation for now.

[ThunderMaverick]

The guy and the girl, no matter what happened put themselves in a stupid situation.

[OFWHAP]

Rescue Mission is easily the worst poster on this entire site. All he ever does is call other posters "pvssys" when they say something he doesn't agree with. When I mean underage, I mean under the legal drinking age of 21. It sounds like you want Big Ben, as you so affectionately call him, to **** your little virgin ass. You are too dense to even attempt to debate. And what's mutual about groping a girl who's too drunk to answer a few questions from the police? She was barely conscious and he was doing lord knows what with her. How about this? Maybe you'll get a little too drunk one night, Big Ben will be at a bar and he'll invite you to the VIP section. You get a little too tipsy. You attempt to exit the bar but end up in the bathroom. All the sudden Big Ben walks in with his **** out. You say, "No this isn't OK." He responds, "It's OK." He proceeds to have sex with you. Your friends are trying to get into the bathroom because they know some sketchy stuff is happening. However Big Ben's body guards are blocking the bathroom door. You limp out of the bathroom after riding Big Ben around the block a few times. You decide you were violated. No wait, never mind. He's a famous athlete. You had a few drinks in you. Why WOULDN'T you want to have sex with him?

[OFWHAP]

And by your definition, are pedophiles also Don Juans? They live life the way they want to. They pull what they want? They take "advantage," as you say a Don Juan does.

[Danger]

Ben Roethlisberger is really not worth defending. The DA is pretty much convinced he did it. The reason charges were never pressed was A) The girl and her family wanted charges dropped a while ago and B) they were unable to find evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Basically he got off due to the fact that this girl was too drunk to tell her story coherently. She had vaginal injuries according to the rape kit. Ben Roethlisberger is commonly known as a scumbag who can't stay away from underage sorority girls. Once again, he's not a pity case. He's a premature midlife crisis.

OFWHAP,

You are avoiding my question....

So if the woman told her story coherently, yet was still drunk.....should Ben be convicted?

Why is he accountable for his actions while drunk, yet she is not?

[MikeYikes122]

OFWHAP is right. Roethlisberger deserves all the negative press he's getting and probably even deserved some sort of criminal repercussion. Not only is this guy probably guilty of some sort of sexual assault, he is a huge idiot. He's been previously accused of rape and has a past record of getting sh!t hammered at bars and doing retarded crap like this. There are tons of pictures and stories on the Internet about him getting wasted and violating chicks, getting into fights, etc.

I normally side with the guy in situations like these, especially if he is a celebrity. But this is nothing like Kobe Bryant's rape charge from a few years back. Big Ben is a huge scumbag, and he is lucky he isn't in jail and out of football.

[OFWHAP]

OFWHAP,

You are avoiding my question....

So if the woman told her story coherently, yet was still drunk.....should Ben be convicted?

Why is he accountable for his actions while drunk, yet she is not?


She didn't want to have sex with him, according to her testimony. That right there is rape. In this case men and women are held to different standards by the law, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It is much easier for a guy to force himself onto a girl than vice versa. And in this case, he's the one being accused of rape. What would you have her be accountable for? If this girl hadn't been such a sloppy mess when reporting this to the police, she'd have probably been viewed as a more credible source, and the DA would have been more likely to actually go through with bringing this to trial. And once again, I'm not even sure if he actually "had sex" with this girl. There just isn't enough evidence to say conclusively whether or not there was an actual rape.

[cordoncordon]

Rescue Mission is easily the worst poster on this entire site. All he ever does is call other posters "pvssys" when they say something he doesn't agree with. When I mean underage, I mean under the legal drinking age of 21. It sounds like you want Big Ben, as you so affectionately call him, to **** your little virgin ass. You are too dense to even attempt to debate. And what's mutual about groping a girl who's too drunk to answer a few questions from the police? She was barely conscious and he was doing lord knows what with her. How about this? Maybe you'll get a little too drunk one night, Big Ben will be at a bar and he'll invite you to the VIP section. You get a little too tipsy. You attempt to exit the bar but end up in the bathroom. All the sudden Big Ben walks in with his **** out. You say, "No this isn't OK." He responds, "It's OK." He proceeds to have sex with you. Your friends are trying to get into the bathroom because they know some sketchy stuff is happening. However Big Ben's body guards are blocking the bathroom door. You limp out of the bathroom after riding Big Ben around the block a few times. You decide you were violated. No wait, never mind. He's a famous athlete. You had a few drinks in you. Why WOULDN'T you want to have sex with him?
Well said.

[cordoncordon]

Once again, you are a MORON!


3) Bouncers blocking door - hmmm maybe it has to do with the fact that a celebrity is getting it on with a hot college chick, and he payed off the bouncer to have some privacy - that's of course illegal in your feminized little head, right?

[/B]
Cmon bro you can't do that. If someone wants to go to the bathroom just to go pee, let alone if her friends thought something shady was going on, NO ONE has a right to stop you. So yes what his bodyguards did was illegal. Just because you are a celebrity doesn't give anyone the right to stop YOUR basic rights of free will. Besides which, what kind of self respecting professional has sex with a girl in a bar bathroom anyway? Just so shady and lacking in any moral character. The guy is scum in my book, whether he raped her or not. And while Im not saying he full out raped her, he imo probably at least groped her/felt her up/committed a crime against her in some capacity.

Lets see so far he's been pictured at bars being sloppy drunk countless times, he's been in a motorcycle accident without wearing a helmet, EVEN AFTER the Steelers told him that was a big time nono, he's been accused of rape by that other woman last year, and now this. Guy is a loser. I can promise you Peyton Manning would NEVER in a million years let himself be in a situation like this. Crazy.

[Danger]

She didn't want to have sex with him, according to her testimony. That right there is rape. In this case men and women are held to different standards by the law, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It is much easier for a guy to force himself onto a girl than vice versa. And in this case, he's the one being accused of rape. What would you have her be accountable for? If this girl hadn't been such a sloppy mess when reporting this to the police, she'd have probably been viewed as a more credible source, and the DA would have been more likely to actually go through with bringing this to trial. And once again, I'm not even sure if he actually "had sex" with this girl. There just isn't enough evidence to say conclusively whether or not there was an actual rape.

I am not comparing his "raping" someone versus her "raping" someone.

What I am asking is why she is not accountable for her actions of getting drunk with this man, and then willingly going with him to his room?
Where-as he is accountable for allegations of rape without proof? If she wasn't sloppy when reporting it.....does that mean he is now guilty?

I am not saying that rapists are not scumbags.....but we need a level of reasonability here. Taking a willing drunk girl to your room does not make you a rapist. And to have headlines painted with his name associating it to such a crime based on such insubstantial evidence is a crime in and of itself. Now one will never be able to see Rothlisberger's name without thinking "RAPE". How damaging is that?

Her actions are the actions of someone who wants to have sex. Her words the next day tell a different story, aka "buyer's remorse" or perhaps her desire to get a settlement. As anyone should know.....ignore words and watch actions, they will tell you the truth.

[OFWHAP]

You obviously don't know the facts of the police report. She didn't go back to his room with him. He followed her into the BATHROOM at the BAR and had his body guards block the doorway so no one else could get in. Her friends tried to retrieve her from the bathroom but were unable to. She and her friends went to the cops right after it happened. It wasn't as though she woke up the next morning regretting her decision from the night before. In the eyes of the law, having sex with a drunk girl doesn't necessarily equal consensual sex. That means you shouldn't get girls drunk then have sex with them. It can get you in a lot of trouble.

[Rescue Mission]

In the eyes of the law, having sex with a drunk girl doesn't necessarily equal consensual sex. That means you shouldn't get girls drunk then have sex with them. It can get you in a lot of trouble.

yea you should - drunk chicks don't have society's pressure of being a slut on their backs, and they loosen up quite well.

Alcohol + Chicks = a fvcking good time, any other way of thinking for a single man with a dyck, is a little too pvssified and chumped out for my understanding.

Also, as for Big Ben, I guess I may be wrong about him, but here is why - I cannot understand how stupid a man has to be to RAPE someone when 90% of hot women will gladly sleep with him......maybe Big Ben is just a chump after all! I just never believe anything that a drunk party college slut says when it comes to rape.........these kind of chicks always make up an excuse just so to not seem slutty and irresponsible....I don't trust her one bit.

[mrRuckus]

Multiple women have accused Roethlisberger of sexual assault. This guy practices really poor judgment. Have you seen pictures of this guy on the internet? He gets black-out drunk pretty often and you see pictures of him hanging on all these girls while his eyes are rolling in the back of his head. He also rides motorcycles in violation of his contract.


What pictures? The pictures i see don't show him hanging on them as much as them hanging on him. I know there's one picture with his eyes rolled up. One. Are there more? Show them to me. You have no idea the context of that picture. He could just be rolling his eyes goofing around. Who the hell walks around with their eyes rolled up in their head? If he's that far gone, he's probably not walking around posing for pictures. You have no idea that he's black out drunk.



His body guards were blocking entry to the bathroom.


Really? Her friends say they did. They say they didn't. No one else is saying they did. You can't state that as fact.



The DA confirmed that this girl had vaginal lacerations and that there was DNA present, but not enough to be conclusive.


Actually they said it was so damn little that it was probably there for a while and was probably another guy's. It was a ridiculously little amount. Like way less than if an evil man's penis were inside her that night. It's literally MAGNITUDES less than required to analyze, and the amount required to analyze is beyond tiny to begin with. I read an article where they specified the amounts and while i don't remember the numbers they ARE TINNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY.


A) The girl and her family wanted charges dropped a while ago and B) they were unable to find evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.


C) They have so little evidence they don't even have PROBABLE CAUSE.
D) The girl's story itself is inconsistent and her BAC was .20
E) She was wearing a DTF (Down to fvck) pin and followed Ben around all night. Witnesses stated she actually asked Ben if he knew what DTF meant. Nice innuendo to a guy you have no intentions of doing anything with.
F) Women lie all the time about such things. For all we know she's embarrassed she hooked up with a dude in a dirty bathroom and things have gotten so out of control it's hard to back off on her claims now.




If someone wants to go to the bathroom just to go pee, let alone if her friends thought something shady was going on, NO ONE has a right to stop you.


It's a single person bathroom. It isn't one with multiple toilets.



OFWHAP is right. Roethlisberger deserves all the negative press....

He's been previously accused of rape and has a past record of getting sh!t hammered at bars and doing retarded crap like this. There are tons of pictures and stories on the Internet about him getting wasted and violating chicks, getting into fights, etc.


Right. He deserves the label of rapist because some drunk out of her mind girl with inconsistent stories says so. And the previous girl is certified crazy.

He deserves SOME crap. He doesn't deserve all of what he's getting.




Did any of you ever read the part where the girl stated she was sitting directly on the toilet and Ben had sex with her? That's not even physically possible. Note: Ben was not sitting on the toilet and she on top of him. Ben is 6'4. How the hell would he contort himself and her in order to sex her on a toilet 2 feet off the ground? Sounds like she'd actually have to be a willing participant to manage the feat of 6'4 large man in little bathroom inserting penis into a vagina that's not even accessible while a girl sits on the toiliet. Do women spray everywhere in front of them when they pee on toilets now?





Some of you are stating way too assumptions and using "facts" that have not been panned out. The main one is this bodyguards blocking the door thing. That hasn't been established. In fact, i read one report that stated the owner offered to take the girls back there through the kitchen or something like that and the girls declined.

Perhaps you should look further into this than whatever sportscenter spits out in a quest for ratings.

[Danger]

You obviously don't know the facts of the police report. She didn't go back to his room with him. He followed her into the BATHROOM at the BAR and had his body guards block the doorway so no one else could get in. Her friends tried to retrieve her from the bathroom but were unable to. She and her friends went to the cops right after it happened. It wasn't as though she woke up the next morning regretting her decision from the night before. In the eyes of the law, having sex with a drunk girl doesn't necessarily equal consensual sex. That means you shouldn't get girls drunk then have sex with them. It can get you in a lot of trouble.

Apparently you are correct, I am misinformed. What he did is harassment and should be treated as such.

However, rape is an entirely different matter. If the DA felt they had enough evidence to get him, then I am surprised they didn't go for it unless there is something we do not know. The evidence must be more than questionable, so I doubt the DA was really that confident.

[samspade]

As someone else noted, I recommend you read the criminal records.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html

It's true that the prosecution had little to go on - including only trace amounts of DNA, and inconsistent testimony due to the girl's drunken state.

However, after reading the statements from multiple witnesses, I personally conclude that Ben got off the hook, which is unfortunate. It's irrefutable that he went into the bathroom with her and locked the door. The alleged rape was reported to police immediately after. It's fair to question the legitimacy of a drunk girl's story, but alcohol alone shouldn't let anyone off the hook.

Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but I have a brain and can at least decide for myself that he probably did something illegal and terrible. It's unfortunate that there wasn't enough to take him to trial.

[squirrels]

Big Ben deserves whatever he gets. And I'm not just saying that as a Ravens fan.

Not necessarily for "raping" a girl, but for being stupid enough to put himself in a position to be so easily accused of "rape".

And as others have said, this isn't the first time he's gotten into this kind of trouble.

With his money and fame, he is painting a bullseye on himself. If he is going to hold onto the ball, he has to be willing to take the sack.

Roethlisberger does NOT show much of a care to learn from his mistakes. He went through the windshield of a car on his motorcycle and is lucky to have survived that, let alone have much of a face intact, and yet he still rides without a helmet. He's been accused of rape and molestation before, yet he still buys shots for underage girls and chases them into public bathrooms.

You or I could get away with that. A less-scrutinized NFL player without a history of this kind of thing could get away with that. Ben Roethlisberger, with his status and his past record, needs to chill the f*ck out. He's not in college any more.

It's a shame that the NFL has to step in and "babysit" these players. Rookie-year, I can understand some indiscretion, but Ben is old enough and seasoned enough to damned well know better.

This isn't about "emasculation of the modern male". This is about one man who is too stupid to learn from his past mistakes, and whose luck has run out.

You guys are all about fighting the "victim mentality" and forcing people to take responsibility for their actions. There is no double-standard for famous athletes.

As for media involvement...well, you know how they are. This is a non-story. It's a slow news time, and football nerds need something to gossip about in the off-season.

[cordoncordon]

Apparently the Steelers think there is enough to this story and, combined with his past bad behavior, are willing to trade a top 5 NFL QB for a top ten pick in the upcoming draft. So....trust me if anyone knows the real Ben, its the Steelers, and they are apparently tired of his act.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-roethlisberger042110

[2crudedudes]

Why is it only the man that is responsible for his actions and not the woman?

In this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FJaAe7sYoCA) video, you see some cops molesting a drunk woman. One was fired, another resigned, and 6 more were suspended. Were any of them arrested? Hell no! They're fvcking cops! I love how cops in Law Enforcement forums blame her for being drunk. Because you know, if a civilian did that sh1t they'd get away with that explanation...

[azanon]

Perhaps the day will eventually come where I'll have sympathy for a woman (not a girl) who gets plastered in public and hangs around men much older than her, but I don't think it will be anytime soon.

We live in a "blame someone else" generation where the fact of the matter is one has SO much control over preventing any number of bad things from happening by simply making wise decisions.

AFAIK, this would be like me waiting until about 11PM on a saturday evening, going to an ATM and withdrawing 1K dollars in cash, putting it in my pocket with half of it hanging out, then finding the most dangerous neighborhood in LR and trying to walk from one end of it to the other, THEN blaming someone else for attacking or robbing me.

[Danger]

In this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FJaAe7sYoCA) video, you see some cops molesting a drunk woman. One was fired, another resigned, and 6 more were suspended. Were any of them arrested? Hell no! They're fvcking cops! I love how cops in Law Enforcement forums blame her for being drunk. Because you know, if a civilian did that sh1t they'd get away with that explanation...

This is not molesting....she was a willing participant.

The only thing wrong with this is that it occurred while they were on duty.

[OFWHAP]

Perhaps the day will eventually come where I'll have sympathy for a woman (not a girl) who gets plastered in public and hangs around men much older than her, but I don't think it will be anytime soon.

We live in a "blame someone else" generation where the fact of the matter is one has SO much control over preventing any number of bad things from happening by simply making wise decisions.

AFAIK, this would be like me waiting until about 11PM on a saturday evening, going to an ATM and withdrawing 1K dollars in cash, putting it in my pocket with half of it hanging out, then finding the most dangerous neighborhood in LR and trying to walk from one end of it to the other, THEN blaming someone else for attacking or robbing me.

So you wouldn't blame that person for robbing you? You're a much more forgiving person than I am. What if your daughter got drunk and was then raped by a guy? Would you call her a wh0re and tell her she has no reason to blame the guy who raped her?

[Trader]

So you wouldn't blame that person for robbing you? You're a much more forgiving person than I am. What if your daughter got drunk and was then raped by a guy? Would you call her a wh0re and tell her she has no reason to blame the guy who raped her?

If my daughter is getting drunk in parties and clubs and does have drunken sex, I would call her a slut.

It doesn't matter if she is my daughter, I still call a spade a spade.

As for the guy, as long as he didn't spike her drink, I'm not even going to talk about him.