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HPD/BPD Ex Spouse - Good to see this site

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Hi guys,

This is the first forum i've seen which actually recognises PD's and understands their completely devastating impact on the people that they befriend.

I'm 8 months separated from my wife who has been confirmed with a PD, I personally think it's HPD. We have two young children and i'll have to know her for the next 17 years or so, minimum.

A quick run down of what i've dealt with:

1. She's been cautioned by police after claiming she'd been attacked and raped in our house by an unknown man. She was full of cuts and bruises. Police did forensics - found she'd done it all herself. The cuts were to her face and scalp and were inflicted with a sewing needle.
2. Didn't like me going to work at one time, so text messaged me after I left and said she'd been bad and would punish herself. She took an OD and ended up in hospital. I had to tend to her and subsequently lost my job due to the time that domestic issues were taking up.
3. She can't hold friends. With any new female friend, she'll shout their name from the hill-tops for the first part, then will forget them in an instant. Often, they lose interest in the ex because she'll commit to arrangements but will then let people down.
4. She says she gets on with men better. Well yes, because then she can use sexual persuasion to manipulate. She doesn't have male friends either though. Any man she talks to is with a view to suggesting she's interested in them, even when she isn't at all.
5. She frequents online sites for men. She's been caught in two EA's online. She doesn't like the idea of finding a partner locally or outside the web, as she can't then feed the BS that creates the sympathy and attention.
6. Having got caught on one EA by myself and questioned, she took another OD to get out of the situation. She was assigned health workers, then thought she could excuse her actions by saying she was sick.
7. Got obsessed with her appearance and lost 70lbs in three months.
8. Fraudulently bought clothes and beauty products. Has since been sued. Spent all her income on herself, left me to pay rent, bills, food etc.
9. Went 'man' crazy after I left her and couldn't take anymore. Eventually found herself a young lad of 23 years on myyearbook. Spider caught herself another fly! Became obsessed with going to see him at weekends.
10. Swore on our children's lives that OM was platonic. Months later, found graphic pictures of her masturbating herself, sent to him.
11. Speaking of above, has history of sending naked, graphic pictures to men online.
12. Has told people online that her ex (that's me!) beats her up. There was never any violence between us.
13. Has history of self harm and creation of injuries (some real by running into doors etc, some with make-up), to cry-wolf to people online.
14. Has claimed she's been raped a few times in the past, kicked in the gut when pregnant with first spouse (yes, i'm the second and she's only just turned 30), and other various tales which I just don't believe.
15. Can't hold a job for five minutes.
16. Finds new interests and takes them on with an intense passion, then within a short time will get completely bored of it and will leave it behind.
17. The lies in general....oh my, they just run off the tongue with every single sentence spouted.
18. Asked me to consider reconciliation twice since separation. Both times claimed was single and had improved mentally. She wasn't at all, she was playing me, OM, and also frequenting dating sites and MSN, all at the same time.
19. Will deny things even when caught square in the face, then will turn the table and make you out to be the bad guy.
20. Justifies all wrong-doings with a simple statement of 'I was/am ill'. Never expresses regret, remorse or consideration for actions. Purely thinks she can excuse them.
21. Can morph character to fit into any group of people, though doesn't hold it forever. Easily influenced into things by peers to 'fit in'.

There will be loads more character traits but there's 21 to kick things off. I note a common thing with these people though, a lot tend to be attractive and the sex incredible. It's the same for us, mainly because PD's will do anything satisfy you and are usually damn adventurous!

We've just finalising the contact with children at the moment, then are set to proceed divorce. She still calls, often for silly reasons, due to her extreme attention seeking and continues to try the pull/push routine to keep me dangling on a string.

I used to wonder if she was undecided or just deliberately trying to play me whilst she pursued various men. After a six year relationship and two children, you'd think i'd cement in the head a bit more than the average Joe. It doesn't matter now though, my eyes are opened, much as a result of reading the PD threads on here.

Anyway, thanks for reading and hope to have some responses from people who've experienced similar issues with their own ex's. I'm particularly interested in learning the best way to deal with her on an LC basis (due to kids) whilst keeping control of the situation.

Also, is she likely to attempt to play me for years, or will she find herself other prey to focus on? Probably both!

Aim
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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"Also, is she likely to attempt to play me for years, or will she find herself other prey to focus on? "

She will probably try to play you but once she finally gets the point that u will never return she will focus on new c0ck. But then the problem is she will try to remove u from ur kids live premenatly. good luck.
 

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Why did you go ahead and marry her ? Didn't you sse the warning signs?
A woman as mad as she is does not get that way by eating wedding cake.
 

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She's actually good with the kids and very reasonable with our parenting together.

Plus, I have court orders giving me regular contact with the children. She couldn't take them out of my life even if she tried.

Her only chance of causing disruption is to move out of area, which she has done to men previously. I've made it clear though that if she tried that, i'd issue proceedings which would stall the process for considerable time and would challenge her for custody.

I don't see that as likely, certainly not for the foreseeable future.
 

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Jophil, you're the one thousandth person to ask me that and I wish I had the perfect answer.

At the time of her mental breakdowns I guess I considered myself the good spirit that wanted to help her through her episode. I thought she needed support and encouragement, and was just vulnerable.

I didn't understand that the whole thing was a manipulative game-plan. This was six years ago - yes, I was naive but the relationship went through periods of going very well. At the end of the day I did what I did and can only take proactive steps for the present and future.

Besides, I got two gorgeous children out of it so as much as I regret having her in my life, I cannot regret the relationship as there were two prizes which exceed even the worst that i've put up with from the ex.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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aimchase said:
She's actually good with the kids and very reasonable with our parenting together.
shes reasonable..now

Plus, I have court orders giving me regular contact with the children. She couldn't take them out of my life even if she tried.
court orders and judgements can be changed..she has a vagina..never forget that
Her only chance of causing disruption is to move out of area, which she has done to men previously. I've made it clear though that if she tried that, i'd issue proceedings which would stall the process for considerable time and would challenge her for custody.
You be surprised what a crazy woman can accomplish
I don't see that as likely, certainly not for the foreseeable future.
Hopefully maybe u will be one of the lucky ones
 

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dark god said:
Hopefully maybe u will be one of the lucky ones
Works both ways though? I'm in the UK and courts will always ensure father gets contact with the children. She can try what she likes, she won't be able to influence the law.

But in saying both ways, she's also treading a thin line. We know she's a whackjob and with being a whackjob, carries risks of inappropriate bahaviour. E.g, if she was to OD again, that would raise serious questions as her maternal ability.

She has to watch her step and she knows that i'm watching every move. Not literally, but if I ever see her behaviour directly or indirectly affecting the children, i'll be down her throat with papers before she can blink.

She knows this and at the moment consistently attempts to cover her tracks (she even has OM over this weekend but denied he was coming. Why? I don't give a damn!). But as the kids grow older they will talk, and her deceptive little schemes will be far more open to exposure.

I know what you're saying though and I do hope things go relatively smoothly. I can see her giving up on manipulating me, then resurfacing randomly in years to come, particularly when another relationship ends.

Btw, what classification of PD does she likely fall into, considering her traits? I always thought HPD as she is excessively flirty and uses her sexual seduction to manipulate. Unlike BPD, she doesn't often get rage, but more frustrated.

I should also add that she's a chronic depressive and has been on daily medication since she started adulthood.

That all said, I read on a previous thread that HPD's are the lowest in the PD chain. Well if you saw how this woman has worked, you'd see she's far from being low in the PD pecking order!
 

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aimchase said:
Btw, what classification of PD does she likely fall into, considering her traits? I always thought HPD as she is excessively flirty and uses her sexual seduction to manipulate. Unlike BPD, she doesn't often get rage, but more frustrated.
Does it matter ? She certainly sits toward the severe extreme on the scale of several Cluster B PD's.

Have you considered any professional assistance for yourself ?
 

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Does it matter ? She certainly sits toward the severe extreme on the scale of several Cluster B PD's.

Have you considered any professional assistance for yourself ?
I started to early on after separation but could only be seen during working hours, which was very difficult to commit to.

I should have though, as over the last eight months i've been through hell. I've started smoking, lost appetite, lost weight, and have just had endless issues with the ex and her lies and manipulation.

A few months ago, she wanted to go to visit OM and wanted me to take the children earlier than agreed. She didn't admit she was going to OM, she said she had doctors appointment. The b!tch even tried manipulating my mother to take them as well.

I refused and went NC on her. The reaction was so incredible I still can't believe it. In the space of 18 wakeful hours, she made 129 phone calls and sent 53 text messages to my cell phone.

I think that was the point when my body was getting beaten down by it all.

I've now moved on considerably and am not in any position of denial or depression. I'm getting out, having fun, and enjoying life. Sad to say, there have been odd moments when we've slept together, mainly because the sex is so crazy and a part of me thinks you'll never get it at that intensity anywhere else.

But i've read people's posts here and notice that those with a seemingly good understanding of PD's (Kontroller etc) suggest that therapy is always good, so as not to leave permanent scars.

Maybe I should still talk it out with my doc and see if he'll refer me.
 

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Yup, no doubt about it. That was definitely a Cluster B.

My biggest wonder is, how is it that you did not get custody of the children? With her suicide attempts and false reports to the police, you should have had at least a fair chance in court.....unless you gave her the high ground by letting her have the kids initially?
Oh, no doubt about cluster B. A professional has even said so, though the discussions i've read back between you guys was in good detail and went into details as to how they operate. You described her perfectly, and I take particular satisfaction that she'll never settle into happiness, but will constantly look to feed herself a meal then look to the next victim. She'll never love and will always be hollow.

So much as I should hate the boy that she's scrwing now, I pity him, as he's no doubt being fed a barrarge of BS about how she's had such a rotten life and needs this guy to help pull her through. He's smittened, he's thinking he's the luckiest boy in the world, a 30 year old woman who needs him and offers sex on a stick, yet you and I know that soon he's going to get spat out. He'll be devastated, his life in ruins. And so will the other victims.

She always had to have something to look forward to. Hence she engineered the first pregnancy though claimed she was on the pill. After he was born, she needed another passion, which happened to be our marriage. Then she needed another, which was our second child. After that there was nothing else to target for her, so she grew distant. She suffered terribly from PND anyway, really bad with the first, off the fkin scale with the second, which didn't help but looking at things now, at least it's saved more years of deceit.

As far as custody goes, I had to play it careful. Despite her history, she is open to support and is working well with the children's needs. This is acknowledged and she receives good praise for this. Yes, I could challenge for custody, but I have a good arrangement at the moment and don't want to go rocking the boat. If I challenge her and she wins, it makes life harder for me and my kids, and I didn't want to take that risk.

And so much as one professional saying she appears to have PD, she masks her behavioural issues in this regard. She won't say she's cyber-sexing online every night, or lying to everyone etc. She just openly declares herself to have depression, so gets medication for it but is very clever to let out what is typical depresion, and hide what is clear PD. I have spoken to her doctor about this but he said he can't do anything unless she is prepared to discuss it herself.

I've spoken in length about this to my lawyer and it's clear that I can challenge her for custody at any time, should I feel she's losing control again. At the moment i'm close to the children and am comfortable that I can jump in, should I need to. If things ever get silly though (and over the next 17 years? They may well do) i'll have the papers ready.
 

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Danger said:
Not to rub any salt into your wounds.....god knows you've suffered enough if you were with a Cluster B, but.....Have you considered getting a DNA test to make sure the children are really yours?

The reason I ask, is considering that there is a minimum rate of 4% paternal fraud (and high as 20% by some measurements), combined with the propensity for Cluster B's to cheat.....makes any children from a Cluster B an automatic candidate for DNA check.

I know that many men will consider the children "their's" none-the-less.....however there are many men out there like myself who would fight any cuckolding to the bitter end. Just something to consider.
I know they're mine. They both have very strong family appearances. Everyone says my son is a dead-spit of me (if you see a pic of me at his age we look like twins), and may daughter also has similar appearances. She is uncannily like my sister with her facial expressions.

I don't think she physically cheated until, possibly, the very end of our relationship. She did get involved in EA's online though, quite a few in fact and got hooked to them as she has protection and security by anonymity.

Incidentally (I really didn't want to hear this), i've just been told that she's posted on FB how OM has left and that she's had a 'wonderful weekend with such a wonderful person'. He's snared, big time.

The irony is that this wonderful person will be unaware that I fvcked her last week, twice (both drunk), so she can hardly be that into him. I think the whole status update is to hope it gets to me anyway after I sounded her out about sending him porno pics. She has nowhere left to hide so has gone for the 'i'm publicly with him' solution.

Good, that ends it and stops another BS. Fvckin loon.....
 

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I know they're mine. They both have very strong family appearances. Everyone says my son is a dead-spit of me (if you see a pic of me at his age we look like twins), and may daughter also has similar appearances. She is uncannily like my sister with her facial expressions.

I don't think she physically cheated until, possibly, the very end of our relationship. She did get involved in EA's online though, quite a few in fact and got hooked to them as she has protection and security by anonymity.

Incidentally (I really didn't want to hear this), i've just been told that she's posted on FB how OM has left and that she's had a 'wonderful weekend with such a wonderful person'. He's snared, big time.

The irony is that this wonderful person will be unaware that I fvcked her last week, twice (both drunk), so she can hardly be that into him. I think the whole status update is to hope it gets to me anyway after I sounded her out about sending him porno pics. She has nowhere left to hide so has gone for the 'i'm publicly with him' solution.

Good, that ends it and stops another BS. Fvckin loon.....

wait..ur still banging this broad? damn she still has her claws in u.
 

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wait..ur still banging this broad? damn she still has her claws in u.
Well until I found out otherwise this week, she 'swore on our children's lives' that OM was a platonic friend and that she was single. Other revelations have since surfaced too - I haven't touched her since, nor want to. It repulses me that she'd swear BS on our kids.

It was sex, that's it. I wouldn't take her back, but I admit that the physical intimacy has been addictive because it's so fvcking good. No more though, not since i've found what she's really been up to.

I didn't think even the lowest of scum would swear a lie on their children's lives. How wrong I was.

Since i've exposed her, she's no doubt gone to 'well hear it is, i'm happy and rubbing it in your face' mode. Doesn't matter though, it does me a service in putting her well in the past.

Got a withheld call on my landline Friday night at 1am which wouldn't stop ringing. I know it was her as only two other people know that number and wouldn't have called at that time, or if they did they wouldn't have hid number. I didn't answer it, I unplugged the phone, but i'll bet she was fvcking him and wanted me to hear it.

That would be a silly mistake - little does she know that I could easily contact this guy if I wanted and expose her sorry ass for all sorts of stuff that would make him cringe (she's been buying stuff online in his name on contract, and he doesn't know). I don't bother to as it's not my business, she's an ex. But if she plays me, she loses. Simple.
 

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aimchase said:
It was sex, that's it. I wouldn't take her back, but I admit that the physical intimacy has been addictive because it's so fvcking good. No more though, not since i've found what she's really been up to.
And there is the problem...you are still allowing her to play you in the same way that she skillfully hooked you in the first few weeks .

There is a brilliant sig line on this site originally authored by VU," What you cannot say NO to is your master, and you are it's slave."

AS long as you sex a Cluster B she owns your azz.
 

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And there is the problem...you are still allowing her to play you in the same way that she skillfully hooked you in the first few weeks .

There is a brilliant sig line on this site originally authored by VU," What you cannot say NO to is your master, and you are it's slave."

AS long as you sex a Cluster B she owns your azz.
When you say she owns my azz, do you mean that as the definitive situation, or the view from her perspective?

It doesn't matter anyway as I wouldn't go near her again, that I assure you. I'm not sure she'll even try anymore either, she's got her fly to feed from and has no excuse left to swing me back onside.

That said, these nutjobs can fabricate all sorts of weird sh*t. It certainly isn't easy when you have two kids with them, otherwise i'd have changed numbers, addresses, email accounts etc a long time ago.
 

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When you say she owns my azz, do you mean that as the definitive situation, or the view from her perspective?

It doesn't matter anyway as I wouldn't go near her again, that I assure you. I'm not sure she'll even try anymore either, she's got her fly to feed from and has no excuse left to swing me back onside.

That said, these nutjobs can fabricate all sorts of weird sh*t. It certainly isn't easy when you have two kids with them, otherwise i'd have changed numbers, addresses, email accounts etc a long time ago.
She still owns the frame because you are still REACTING to her behavior.
Unless and until you create a separate, functional life and career without her, you will be at her mercy. Women like her NEVER relinquish control until they find a replacement chump to start the same movie all over again.
Even after she finds a new leading man to create a sequel, your fatherhood of her children presents an irresistible opportunity for her to fake up endless drama and turmoil.
Like the good book says, " Put on the suit of armor."
 

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She still owns the frame because you are still REACTING to her behavior.
Unless and until you create a separate, functional life and career without her, you will be at her mercy. Women like her NEVER relinquish control until they find a replacement chump to start the same movie all over again.
Even after she finds a new leading man to create a sequel, your fatherhood of her children presents an irresistible opportunity for her to fake up endless drama and turmoil.
Like the good book says, " Put on the suit of armor."
Jophil, what you said there is her to an absolute tee and I do know that there will be all sorts of drama in the weeks, months and years to come.

It's such a relief to see people here that actually identify and explain these women - how they operate, what their motives are, why they do as they do. In learning that, you learn how to best deal with the situation.

I won't lie, it's still tough because I can't completely detach her from my life due to the kids. Therefore, all I can do is act in the best way possible so not to be played by her games. I want her to think, 'can't play him anymore, he's got me sussed'.

You guys clearly have HER sussed, so I come for your wise words of wisdom! :D
 

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I want her to think, 'can't play him anymore, he's got me sussed'.

You guys clearly have HER sussed, so I come for your wise words of wisdom! :D
If she has this disorder and doesn't get help she will never admit to being "sussed". And if she does get help and proclaims she is healthy will you ever believe her?
 

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Since children are involved and shes a Cluster B you, sir, are going to be going back to court over the children ALOT!!!!!

Take a video camera with you to the children exchanges just in case things get wierd (helps defend you against the lies she will tell when the police are called) , and write down everything --- conversations, phone calls, e-mails, face to face meetings, with a sentence or two (or more if necessary) about what happened, the time and date.(ALWAYS TIME AND DATE!!!)

Develop all of this stuff as a LOG BOOK and be sure to also write what the kids are telling you with dates and times.

If things get confrontational WALK AWAY!!!(in the eyes of the police YOU are the default aggressor in ANY domestic call even if you are the one who called them)(This is where the video camera MAY save you)

If you have regular organized documentation with dates and times you might have a chance when things go south and she starts trying to withold the children, turn them against you, calling the cops for no reason, and taking you to court.

Beleive me you have NO IDEA how well these chicks can 'play' a courtroom or a cop.

I've seen this first hand and I'm telling you ----START NOW!!!!

It's better to have this stuff and not need it than to need it and not have it.

I really feel for you and your kids.

I'm glad you got out but I also know what you may have ahead of you and JEEEEEZ !!!!!!!!

Over and Out.



EDIT ----- Also see a lawyer for advice about protection orders, custody modifications and inforcement, ad litiums for the kids, etc. NOW --- before the shooting starts!!!!!
 
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aimchase said:
She's actually good with the kids and very reasonable with our parenting together.
Yeah, sure. I hope when I have kids one day their mother is a woman who stabs herself in the face for attention and jills off for random dudes online. That makes me feel real secure about her parenting.

Once again, others take note.
 
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