Here is the reason to get married... Now with scientific prove.

[amoka]

Here we go (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/us/19marriage.html)... now you have a reason to be married.

[WaterTiger]

Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: “ ‘You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?’ He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.”

I don't know... How about a guy that also has his sh!t together as well?

Come on guys! DO women like this REALLY scare you? (Providing, of course, she doesn't have a "ball-buster" attitude.)

[Jitterbug]

Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: “ ‘You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?’ He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.”

I don't know... How about a guy that also has his sh!t together as well?

Come on guys! DO women like this REALLY scare you? (Providing, of course, she doesn't have a "ball-buster" attitude.)

I'm pretty sure that guy does not want a woman who's that arrogant as well as clueless about what men are attracted to.

How about: healthy, fit, physically/sexually attractive, good at cooking, pleasant to be around, good with children, good ladylike manners...?

Bloody hell, those are like dirty words these days.

But I forgot, she's self sufficient, confident, intelligent and successful, plus she has AFC friends blowing smoke up her arse, so she has no need for a man. And then she wonders why no man worth his salt needs her.

[taiyuu_otoko]

spin this pop crap all you want, but men find younger, feminine women more attractive then older, non feminine women. The older and more "successful" a women becomes, they less attractive she'll be to her male counterparts.

The "ideal woman" for every guy is young, sexy, healthy and nice to look at. The older she gets, the less appeal she has, regardless of her income or career success.

Women can delude themselves into thinking they are becoming "the prize" as the increase their career success, but in eyes of men, they are becoming less and less desirable, and more and more of a "last ditch option" for guys that otherwise wouldn't have a chance.

Just like younger guys with no game and no money aren't attractive to hot women, older women with no femininity aren't attractive to successful men.

The tragedy for these women is that they've deluded themselves into thinking that if they become more and more like men, they'll become more attractive to men, when in reality the opposite is happening. The only guys they are becoming attractive to are young chumps that otherwise wouldn't have a chance in their local meat market, to whom of course they feel no attraction themselves.

Life can indeed be cruel, especially to women who've listened to the feminist propaganda and squandered their youth, and small window of prime sexual attractiveness.

But they've got their career, and they're money, so I guess that's something.

[jophil28]

spin this pop crap all you want, but men find younger, feminine women more attractive then older, non feminine women. The older and more "successful" a women becomes, they less attractive she'll be to her male counterparts.

The "ideal woman" for every guy is young, sexy, healthy and nice to look at. The older she gets, the less appeal she has, regardless of her income or career success.

Women can delude themselves into thinking they are becoming "the prize" as the increase their career success, but in eyes of men, they are becoming less and less desirable, and more and more of a "last ditch option" for guys that otherwise wouldn't have a chance.

Just like younger guys with no game and no money aren't attractive to hot women, older women with no femininity aren't attractive to successful men.

The tragedy for these women is that they've deluded themselves into thinking that if they become more and more like men, they'll become more attractive to men, when in reality the opposite is happening. The only guys they are becoming attractive to are young chumps that otherwise wouldn't have a chance in their local meat market, to whom of course they feel no attraction themselves.

Life can indeed be cruel, especially to women who've listened to the feminist propaganda and squandered their youth, and small window of prime sexual attractiveness.

But they've got their career, and they're money, so I guess that's something.

^^ one of your best observations ...reps

[Luthor Rex]

Come on guys! DO women like this REALLY scare you? (Providing, of course, she doesn't have a "ball-buster" attitude.)

When will you women learn that "successful" women do not scare us. We just don't care about their success. Fat chicks don't scare us either, and they are invisible to us too.

A woman who is always on the go can't put her family first, can't put us first. Therefore we have no use for her.

This isn't a complicated issue. The only reason women can't "understand" it is because it hurts your egos to know the truth.

:yes:

[grinder]

spin this pop crap all you want, but men find younger, feminine women more attractive then older, non feminine women. The older and more "successful" a women becomes, they less attractive she'll be to her male counterparts.

The "ideal woman" for every guy is young, sexy, healthy and nice to look at. The older she gets, the less appeal she has, regardless of her income or career success.

Women can delude themselves into thinking they are becoming "the prize" as the increase their career success, but in eyes of men, they are becoming less and less desirable, and more and more of a "last ditch option" for guys that otherwise wouldn't have a chance.

Just like younger guys with no game and no money aren't attractive to hot women, older women with no femininity aren't attractive to successful men.

The tragedy for these women is that they've deluded themselves into thinking that if they become more and more like men, they'll become more attractive to men, when in reality the opposite is happening. The only guys they are becoming attractive to are young chumps that otherwise wouldn't have a chance in their local meat market, to whom of course they feel no attraction themselves.

Life can indeed be cruel, especially to women who've listened to the feminist propaganda and squandered their youth, and small window of prime sexual attractiveness.

But they've got their career, and they're money, so I guess that's something.

Ding!

The relentless conveyor belt of age drops them off, one-by-one broken and disillusioned at my doorstep every day. They are so many that they accumulate in piles with only the brightest one’s grabbing my attention.

I sh!tteth you not and this is not some tongue-in-cheek joke. It is just a fact and if I had more time or, perhaps cared enough, I’d share more, but I do not and I shall not.

[Da Realist]

They lived their life trying not to "live under any man", so why start whining now? If I meet a woman at that age and I want to marry her, I at least want her to be able to give birth to a healthy child. A woman approaching her 40's can't guarantee that.

[Scaramouche]

Dear Amok,
Yes for some of our less successful brothers marriage to a rich Woman can be a viable opportunity......Me?Nah....been there done that,determined not to take orders from anyone Male or Female after a less than distinguished Military career...A friend of Mine took this option some years ago and got tied up to a disgustingly rich Woman,he had just recovered from a divorce that stripped him of his Wife,Home and Kids,the devastating effects of the situation on his business left him a virtual pauper...So yeah,Harry became as one mutual friend described him,just another of her Social accoutrements,like the South American Crocodile Skin Handbag she would flaunt........At her little Soirees,Harry was her little Butler,"get this,get that,oh a drink for Analise"I remember one such occasion "Oh Harry get the Champagne Bottle top remover Quickly"Then when it arrived "Oh Harry you dumb arsed little Man,not that shabby thing,the Silver one with the Eagles Head".....But the last laugh was on her,Harry flew the Coop with one of her horny mates and in the eventual settlement skinned her for half a million

[sodbuster]

the only reason I'd marry rich? she wouldn't be interested in my money. Ohterwise-give me the young hottie who doesn't want kids. Been there,done that-not in a rush to do it again.

[bigjohnson]

DO women like this REALLY scare you?

Nope, by the time she's spent that amount of her life becoming "accomplished" she's outlived her shelf life. She has nothing I want after 30, certainly not at *50*.




They lived their life trying not to "live under any man", so why start whining now? If I meet a woman at that age and I want to marry her, I at least want her to be able to give birth to a healthy child. A woman approaching her 40's can't guarantee that.

What he said.



When will you women learn that "successful" women do not scare us. We just don't care about their success. Fat chicks don't scare us either, and they are invisible to us too.

And what he said.

[Duffdog]

Women can delude themselves into thinking they are becoming "the prize" as the increase their career success, but in eyes of men, they are becoming less and less desirable, and more and more of a "last ditch option" for guys that otherwise wouldn't have a chance.

Fantastic! Its common knowledge that everyone wants a 25 yr old college girl with a smoking body above all else. Though I begin to wonder if these unattractive females who are "successful" are simply guaranteeing that they are bred out of the gene pool.

[Rollo Tomassi]

Come on guys! DO women like this REALLY scare you? (Providing, of course, she doesn't have a "ball-buster" attitude.)

Sorry, but this is the biggest lie ever to be floated out by the 'Today's Woman' crowd. Men could care less what a woman earns or what she does to earn it - it's simply not a factor in attraction for us - we don't take a woman's status or wealth into consideration, all she has to be is hot. That is a guy's one condition for intimacy, physical attraction. She's gotta be hot - whether she makes six figures or is in the pit of poverty is irrelevant in attraction. Oprah and Star Jones' husbands still have to get aroused, and all the money in the world wont be any better an aphrodesiac.

Status, wealth and the other rewards that result from 'professional' life are conditions women have for men in attraction. That's not to discount men being physically attractive or other conditions, but women have far more conditions for their intimacy than men, and these conditions are predicated on characteristics that prove a man as a good provider for her and any future offspring's security. These male characteristics (or sometimes just the prospects of a man attaining them) are defined by women as having value and are therefore attractive. Attractive enough to make a man with these qualities one to be competed over with other women.

Women in the professional realm would like the conditions for attraction to be predicated upon their professional status (wealth), individual merit and/or aspects their personal integrity, and a whole list of esoteric qualities, but they still fight against men's basic impulses - she's-go-to-be-hot! If a woman is attractive a man is more than happy to have her foot the bill regardless of comparative incomes, it's just icing on the cake for us, but this is analogous to a woman who marries a rich guy who also happens to be good looking. Professional women would love to change that rule to fit their capacity to fulfill it; they know on some instinctive level that time is their enemy so attempting to alter the game of attraction to suit their ability is a natural deduction.

The 'Today's Woman' crowd love to use this pseudo-fear that men are expected to have in response as to why guy's ought to be ashamed of themselves for basing their attraction of the physical by blaming it on 'men's fragile egoes' or how they 'feel threatened by professional women'. It comes down to an expectation and entitlement from their 'professionalism' that men should redefine their own attraction based on what women find attractive in the masculine.

The ideology then grinds it's teeth at the men 'qualified' to date professional women for having a tendency to hit on women far younger, less 'powerful' and (surprise) generally in much better physical shape than the 'professional' they should be dating. For this they're called 'infantile', 'immature', or the behavior is regarded as a character flaw, or a desire to relive his youth with a 'trophy wife' - interesting that this term should come from the same faction to complain about the evils of objectifying women. All the man is doing is following his primary impulse, she has to be hot!

As most women bemoan, men have a tendency to see women as sex objects in attraction. Women have a tendency to see men as success objects. The problem with this 'professional woman' mythology is that professional women want to be success objects, but nature keeps confounding their efforts.

Now, all of that said, if a woman's choice is to enter the public realm and pursue a career in the same fashion that men have for years, more power to her. Great, you go girl, so long as they understand the responsibilities and liabilities of doing so. They should also thoughroughly understand that men will define what is attractive for them, not women, professional or otherwise.

[Stagger Lee]

I posted about a recent similar story in the news in Anything Else and it mysteriously disappeared.

More men Get Economic Boost from Marriage:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_marriage_economics[

So the news has been reporting that married men are better off economically than single men. How do they reason this? Because women's income has risen 60% between 1970-2007 and men's only grew 6%. LOL because women's income has increased at a faster rate than men's, that makes married men better off.

Of course in reality the woman keeps all her money and then some, and marries up usually. But if it was the other way around and there was a 54% decrease between the rate of women's income growth compared to men's, do you think they'd spin that as women are better off being married lol?

Anyway it's no surprise women are making more money and getting more college degrees. Society is taking away from men and giving it to women.

[Trader]

So my question to all of you is:

Why is it that girls are free to define what is attractive in a man (looks, money, status, dominance)

But guys are NOT free to define what is attractive in girls (basically physical attractiveness and submissiveness, quietness, etc)

Who is responsible for this? The feminists? The AFC chumps?

I've actually had this discussion in my social circle, I've told the girls: 'You are free to go after rich guys, after all it's nature at work, just don't go for his money ONLY. But it's ok for you to screen guys on $$$.'

And then I add: 'Same thing with us guys. We are free to go after young hot girls, let nature take its course.'

I think everyone would win if we were just honest with ourselves.

[azanon]

Saying that wealth isn't an element of attraction for men with women is true, but it doesn't tell the whole story where a potential marriage is concerned.

Read slowly and carefully: Any man who only considered how "attracted" he is to a woman when deciding whether to marry her or not IS a fool. Only a fool would marry a "10", whose 100,000+ in debt, and prone to spend his money away. Likewise, only a fool would not considered the fact that a women pulls in 6 figures or has a crazy wealthy family as a significant positive trait when deciding whether or not marrying her is a good idea. AFAIK, anyone who says money can't buy happiness never had any.

Hey, for all of you people that think money has no bearing whatsoever on your happiness, would you kindly send me all of your excess money? I can provide an account number for you to make this a painless transaction.

It bears repeating: Only a fool considers only how attracted he is to a woman in a "marry or not" decision.

If there EVER WAS a business decision that bears considering business factors, it'd be marriage. Making a good or bad marriage choice will probably have more bearing on your overall financial life than any other decision you'll ever make. Any questions?

I haven't had 50+, but I've had enough to know for certain that it all feels approximately the same inside. I'd give anything to bone Megan Fox (the most attractive woman I know), but I wouldn't even consider marrying her. So much for the attraction > all theory!

[Rollo Tomassi]

Point taken with regards to the long term, but you're giving two very extreme examples that very few guys will ever have the opportunity to experience. Physical attraction is a much more visceral consideration with regard to committing to an LTR; at least more so then women. Most men find themselves in a mediocre middle ground, and with that in mind, even a slightly younger, hotter and more sexually available woman will have a long term advantage above a slightly older, slightly chubby, less sexually available woman with more appreciable wealth as a result of her professionalism. Professionalism and wealth independent of a hot body and genuine lust isn't an aphrodesiac for men.

However, that's not what's at issue. What is at issue is a preponderance of women convinced of themselves that it SHOULD be their status, wealth, education, etc. that ought to have a higher (or exclusive) bearing on a man's desire while marginalizing or disqualifying the physical aspect that men are genuinely interested in. External rewards like wealth, status & education, come at a price and this is usually the physical (or because of a lack of it).

[Stagger Lee]

However, that's not what's at issue. What is at issue is a preponderance of women convinced of themselves that it SHOULD be their status, wealth, education, etc. that ought to have a higher (or exclusive) bearing on a man's desire while marginalizing or disqualifying the physical aspect that men are genuinely interested in. External rewards like wealth, status & education, come at a price and this is usually the physical (or because of a lack of it).

Yeah and on top of that delusion these women have, they expect the man to make as much or more money as they do. At least when men use money to attract women they don't expect the women to have as high or higher income as they do. It's become easier for women to make money than it is for them to stay in shape.

[bigjohnson]

Short version: It's a case of forgetting the simple rule that men look at women in a fundamentally different way than women look at men. Both men and women are often guilty of forgetting this.

[Duffdog]

So my question to all of you is:

Why is it that girls are free to define what is attractive in a man (looks, money, status, dominance)

But guys are NOT free to define what is attractive in girls (basically physical attractiveness and submissiveness, quietness, etc)

Who is responsible for this? The feminists? The AFC chumps?

I've actually had this discussion in my social circle, I've told the girls: 'You are free to go after rich guys, after all it's nature at work, just don't go for his money ONLY. But it's ok for you to screen guys on $$$.'

And then I add: 'Same thing with us guys. We are free to go after young hot girls, let nature take its course.'

I think everyone would win if we were just honest with ourselves.

Hot young thin girls are sought after. And those are the only ones sought after...this means that if you are a female and you just happened to win the genetic lottery, you are a prize whether you like it or not. Conversely, the unattractive women are not sought after, and there are vastly more of them. Its simply a game of numbers. All males want the top 10% of females and those particular females who happen to make up that 10% only want the top 2% of males. So, naturally, the females that are desired by all the males get to decide what "they want in a man" because it is their right. After all, they can take less attractive woman's guy away, but the less attractive woman can't take her guy away. Thus it is a case of unequal power.

Same story with males who are naturally taller, more athletic, blah blah... and here's the big shocker you were looking for as to why:

Because they can. That is always the answer to any sociological question and it never seems to change.

[Trader]

Hot young thin girls are sought after. And those are the only ones sought after...this means that if you are a female and you just happened to win the genetic lottery, you are a prize whether you like it or not. Conversely, the unattractive women are not sought after, and there are vastly more of them. Its simply a game of numbers. All males want the top 10% of females and those particular females who happen to make up that 10% only want the top 2% of males. So, naturally, the females that are desired by all the males get to decide what "they want in a man" because it is their right. After all, they can take less attractive woman's guy away, but the less attractive woman can't take her guy away. Thus it is a case of unequal power.

Same story with males who are naturally taller, more athletic, blah blah... and here's the big shocker you were looking for as to why:

Because they can. That is always the answer to any sociological question and it never seems to change.

You misread my question.

Obviously high quality males and females have their pick of the litter.

My question is why are high quality females not shamed by others for choosing rich powerful men

But high quality males are shamed for going after young beautiful girls

[bigjohnson]

My question is why are high quality females not shamed by others for choosing rich powerful men


Women shame both. Some feminized men even try to get in on the act and shame both, but it comes out sounding hollow from them.

[mrRuckus]

Fantastic! Its common knowledge that everyone wants a 25 yr old college girl

College poisons their minds and their comm degrees do nothing but make them think they're educated. No thanks, really...

[2crudedudes]

Problem I see (from somewhat personal experience) is that women with careers, incomes, and purpose in life, are WAAAY more demanding of men. So AFCs fill in those voids. A successful, wealthy man, is less likely to settle down or be faithful, which is NOT what these women want. A woman with no direction or income is more likely to put up with a man's infidelity.

Correlation does not indicate causation.

[WaterTiger]

Okay! Point made! For men, "Hotness" over rides "Wealthy".

But what if she's hot AND makes more money than you?

(The reason I'm asking is because the guy I'm dating freaked out a little when he learned I made $3.00 more an hour than he did. Before you ask. we've been going on low cost/dutch dates)

[Danger]

Okay! Point made! For men, "Hotness" over rides "Wealthy".

But what if she's hot AND makes more money than you?

(The reason I'm asking is because the guy I'm dating freaked out a little when he learned I made $3.00 more an hour than he did. Before you ask. we've been going on low cost/dutch dates)

If a woman made more money than me....it would not bother me from a "fear of a successful woman" standpoint.

However,

One needs to only think about the ramifications of this.

What is the likely future for the husband should the wife get pregnant?
Is he the one that will fill in the feminine role of nurturing the child while the wife is earning the supporting income?
How feminine is a woman who earns a lot of money?
How masculine is a man who earns less money than his woman?

It is not fear of a successful woman that makes men raise an eyebrow to these situations.....it is an innate understanding fo the nature of the sexes. It is his natural instinct telling him that something is wrong. And he is right.

He senses that his role in this relationship does not seem natural, and that which does not seem natural always makes our hair stand up a little.

[DavenJuan]

Originally posted by Danger
How feminine is a woman who earns a lot of money?
How masculine is a man who earns less money than his woman?

a mans "masculinity" is not defined by our level of income. however, our level of income is sometimes subsequent of a mans masculinity.

it is an innate understanding fo the nature of the sexes. It is his natural instinct telling him that something is wrong. And he is right.

i agree to an extent. it is in lack of understanding from common practice. From what we have come to understand and know, its an expectation that a "MAN" provides for his family. but its "our" intepretation that the only way to provide is monetary. yes, you need money to clothe, feed, etc, but making an income less your spouse's does not mean you are handicap to provide efficentially.

I spent the last several years stripping myself of social conditions placed on me by the media and women, and even men, that i thought to be true. only because thats what i saw on tv or heard from some expert. i have learned to come up to my own conclusions of what a man is, and look at things from my OWN eyes now.

IMO, what sabotages the relationships of men who bring in less money than their woman isnt the income so much as it is bruised ego's. and their felt need to come up with a justifable reason on WHY this is. or even why this is wrong.

[zekko]

But what if she's hot AND makes more money than you?
Fair question. The first woman in the original article was 28 years old (hardly over the hill) and wasn't bad looking from her picture.

I don't really know how I'd feel about it because I've always made more, but I know some guys whose wives make more than they do and they claim they love it (more money coming in). Whether or not that's how they really feel or if they are sensitive about it I don't know. Guys aren't the type to let on about that sort of thing.

What is the likely future for the husband should the wife get pregnant?
Is he the one that will fill in the feminine role of nurturing the child while the wife is earning the supporting income?
How feminine is a woman who earns a lot of money?
How masculine is a man who earns less money than his woman?
More good questions. In the US 80% of the jobs lost in the recent recession have been lost by males. A lot of the traditional male jobs such as industry are being shipped to other countries. Most college graduates are female now. It looks like we aren't far from most of the money being controlled by women. It's up to the men to get out there and create wealth and fix the economy or they're going to fall behind.

IMO, what sabotages the relationships of men who bring in less money than their woman isnt the income so much as it is bruised ego's.
Yeah, because men are raised to fulfill a certain traditional role. And many men are finding it difficult to fulfill it because of the way the economy is right now. Naturally they are going to suffer some identity crises. Men are taught to be uncompromising and accept no excuses (look at this forum), so it is a hard thing for them to fail.

[MatureDJ]

Because they can. That is always the answer to any sociological question and it never seems to change.

That is the reason that Bill Clinton gave.

[RMM]

Okay! Point made! For men, "Hotness" over rides "Wealthy".

But what if she's hot AND makes more money than you?

(The reason I'm asking is because the guy I'm dating freaked out a little when he learned I made $3.00 more an hour than he did. Before you ask. we've been going on low cost/dutch dates)

I don't think how much she makes per se is important at all. It's more about how it usually affects the woman. As it's been pointed out in the thread, hotness > wealth, but more importantly, it's just about what men are attracted to.

Hot. Feminine. Fun.

That about sums it up. The wealth part only comes up tangentially, mostly because of how it affects those three.

Hot: You make the big bucks when you're old enough. Minimally important, as hotness can be assessed in seconds without uttering a word.
Feminine: Women who make big bucks are likely to have been fighting the corporate ladder and whatnot, and traded some of it for more typically "male" traits.
Fun: Traded for baggage when living the "independent womyn" dream.

So, is the money you make the problem? Not really, but many men will be wary at first of a woman who makes big bucks because she's more likely to be a ball-cutting man-like shark. If you're feminine and fun, then it won't be a problem. You can see it in the replies here, pretty much everyone who's answered assumes the woman will be more man-like if she's out working hard, long hours to get big money in.

What I'm curious about is why you discussed what you two make at all. The only people I discuss my money with are: My employer, my bank, Inland Revenue. Everyone else: it's none of their business. It's simply not the kind of thing that just "comes up." Why the discussion was brought up is probably more telling than the discussion itself.

[WaterTiger]

What I'm curious about is why you discussed what you two make at all. The only people I discuss my money with are: My employer, my bank, Inland Revenue. Everyone else: it's none of their business. It's simply not the kind of thing that just "comes up." Why the discussion was brought up is probably more telling than the discussion itself.


It came up because I've worked for my company for about 4 years & he was wondering why I was still "just a receptionist" and hadn't moved up to management. I told him that in the hospitality industry, the higher you go, the more shaky your job gets. The hotel can run without an Assistant Manager, but not without desk clerks. I told him I was making a fair wage & didn't want the headache of management. Then he asked how much I made.... and it kinda went awkward after that. (He works for a software company, and has only had his job for a year.)

[bigjohnson]

Okay! Point made! For men, "Hotness" over rides "Wealthy".

But what if she's hot AND makes more money than you?


Well it's OK, but I don't need her income. It's a plus I guess, in that we could build up a portfolio faster than I can alone, but really I'm quite happy with my lifestyle and I don't want anyone who needs something "more" than this.

On the other hand, I want someone I can trust to manage domestic issues, cook healthy meals, and so on. I could continue to do what I do now, but where is the upside in that? I'm going to marry her ... why?

A sweet traditional girl on the other hand offers precisely what I want and I only have to give up things I don't care about.



(He works for a software company, and has only had his job for a year.)

Starting wage in software should be at least $80,000

[sharkbeat]

I have a theory that being successful is nothing but a scapegoat of women's frustration over why fewer and fewer men want to marry, or in marriages, why couples fight.

Women can have ego bigger than men, but they won't admit it. This gargantuan ego can be so big that women feel their men are "lucky" to have them. This is my first red flag. If a woman ever boasted how men want to hang out with her, that's a good enough reason for me not to marry her. Subconciously, this triggers certain behaviors that contribute in the jeopardy of their relationships and marriages, but of course, women won't admit it, so they blame the outside sources and obviously, men.

I wonder if women ever ask themselves:
"Have I been being too much of a ***** to him?"
"Did I demand a lot?"
"How many times a week do I have sex with my husband?"
"Have I withhold any sex?"
"How often do I communicate what I want to him?"

This paragraph puzzles me the most:
“We’ve known for some time that men need marriage more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,” said Stephanie Coontz, a professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., and research director for the Council on Contemporary Families, a research and advocacy group. “Now it is becoming increasingly important to their economic well-being as well.”
To my knowledge, it is women who already dreamed of their wedding dress since the age of 5. It is women who need the marriage, not men. Article written by women, for women, with large amount of chick logic.

[zekko]

To my knowledge, it is women who already dreamed of their wedding dress since the age of 5. It is women who need the marriage, not men. Article written by women, for women, with large amount of chick logic
That bit about men needing marriage more than women caught my eye also. Actually I've heard that before. Ever hear the saying "The wedding is for the woman and the marriage is for the man"? I think this has its roots in the more traditional marriage roles where the wife takes care of the home and kids while the man goes out and makes a living. The other part is that women like to have the wedding day where she is the center of attention and get to wear the dress ("oh, isn't she beautiful?").

I'm pretty sure there ARE studies out there showing that married men live longer. They probably have a more healthy lifestyle than their single counterparts who are out smoking and drinking in bars every night. That's probably what this lady is referring to. But I think if women are unhappy in marriage, it's probably because they are ungrateful or prone to depression.

[bigjohnson]

I'm pretty sure there ARE studies out there showing that married men live longer. They probably have a more healthy lifestyle ...


I'm thinking married family men also are (most likely) a lot more risk adverse than single guys. The numbers are for "life expectancy on average" after all, not meant to measure overall heath during the lifetime. It could simply be that more single men die young skydiving, motorcycle riding, scuba diving and etc.

[Warrior74]

I'm thinking married family men also are (most likely) a lot more risk adverse than single guys. The numbers are for "life expectancy on average" after all, not meant to measure overall heath during the lifetime. It could simply be that more single men die young skydiving, motorcycle riding, scuba diving and etc.


Their wives are the ones risk adverse, but not allowed. I'm planning a sky diving trip this summer and not a one of my married friends will go. The general response has been "no way man, my wife would kill me", or "she doesn't think its a good idea". One of my buddies is getting married, his wife told him the motorcycle has to go first. Women want to keep you alive to keep earning that bread. They can't have their investment running off doing risky things that will leave them and their kids with only one income, or none.

[FinalWay]

That bit about men needing marriage more than women caught my eye also. Actually I've heard that before. Ever hear the saying "The wedding is for the woman and the marriage is for the man"? I think this has its roots in the more traditional marriage roles where the wife takes care of the home and kids while the man goes out and makes a living. The other part is that women like to have the wedding day where she is the center of attention and get to wear the dress ("oh, isn't she beautiful?").

I'm pretty sure there ARE studies out there showing that married men live longer. They probably have a more healthy lifestyle than their single counterparts who are out smoking and drinking in bars every night. That's probably what this lady is referring to. But I think if women are unhappy in marriage, it's probably because they are ungrateful or prone to depression.
reminded me of a quote from bill maher about married men these days: "married men live longer. yes and an indoor cat..."

[Drum&Bass]

I havent read all the replies, but Im dating a girl that makes alot more than I do (for the moment) but she is very feminine and submissive and is attractive.

All a girl has to do is go to college and do well in school...Most of you guys act like its unheard of for a girl to be good at taking tests and doing her homework on time.

If your a guy and you love what your doing and your pretty smart..smart being you have the ability to retain information and use it in specific situations you would realize its not that tough..and if it is difficult, you just invest some time to practice. Is it really difficult for a girl to the same without losing her femininity??

Women that act masculine were probably predisposed to be that way from birth..hence why there are so many masculine successful women.

i dont think being good at life makes a woman masculine though.

As for guys who are wimps because of societal conditioning..I dont buy that garbage either. I think they are predisposed to be AFC's. If an AFC comes across a mature masculine man something will resonate within the AFC and make him realize that something is not naturally right and sooner or later a change will come !!


-Education and Employment DOES NOT make anyone more masculine.

-Being genetically predisposed to be who you are MAKES YOU WHAT YOU ARE.

[Rollo Tomassi]

You know, the case could be made that a good stripper would be exceptionally hot, feminine, sexual available and most likely make more money than the guy she's attached to. Should you marry her?

[zekko]

All a girl has to do is go to college and do well in school...Most of you guys act like its unheard of for a girl to be good at taking tests and doing her homework on time.
Fact is, more girls are doing it now than guys. It's no wonder they're on the rise financially while men are on the decline.

[Danger]

a mans "masculinity" is not defined by our level of income. however, our level of income is sometimes subsequent of a mans masculinity.



Masculinity is not defined by level of income.....

HOWEVER,

In all intergender relationships there are relative levels of masculinity/femininity between the two parties. When the woman brings home the bacon, rest assured, that is a tip of the scales of masculinity in her direction in regards to the relationship.

Too much of that, and well, we know where that leads.