The So suave Challenge

[destini]

Go back however far you need to go and bring to mind the first woman/girl that ever just straight captivated you, the one that enslaved your brain, the one that you were intimidated by.

The reason for this is twofold.

A little understanding of dynamics and polarity helps.

Take the Yin Yang symbol...the active masculine and the passive feminine. This, at its core, depicts the crux of Life itself.

ALL life, and everything in life operates according to this principle of male-female, active-passive. At its base, absolute base, the what and the how of Life itself is revealed: In order to create life, you must have an active masculine and a passive feminine polarity. Once that polarity is engaged, this becomes the fuel that sustains any dynamic.

ALL humans embody both the male/female force, because without it, there is no life. No consciousness.

As an analogy - think of a pole in the living room going up thru the ceiling into the attic. You're down in the living room, so you only see the active aspect of the pole. The passive aspect is the part that's in the attic.
One is "manifest" the other is "abstract".

ALL men embody this feminine, passive force within themselves, and all women embody this masculine force within themselves.

The AI, however, IS that hidden force inside each of us (the part that's in the attic). We are compelled by - what's easier described as "criteria" but that's more a case of the perfect aspect of who we are "in the attic".

When we see someone out here in the real world that draws us beyond all comprehension, what's happening is a subtle triggering of our own AI - because, as all dynamics go, the point is to create life. And perpetuate it.

What this means is that the fuel which drives any experince is the dynamic...and the entire purpose of any dynamic is to evolve and manifest into reality - to create a physical reality manifestation...or, to raise the roof and reveal the part that's in the attic as one integrated whole. Removing the ceiling, basically, from the equasion.


When this AI is triggered by an encounter with someone who embodies - reflects - those qualities of the perfection of our own AI, the compulsion is to manifest it. (start kicking at the ceiling).

The AI in each of us is sheer perfection - the most optimum, perfect, individualized soul in total balance, integration of who we are and are supposed to become, at its ultimate level.

EVERYTHING evolves...it requires the male female force to spark the seed and kick off the dynamic that will perpetuate the species thru mating, childbirth, life...it's programmed into each of us and this is *why* we ever mate at all.

Given that the lack of polarity prevents life (prevents two likes from mating thereby unable to create life) a component is added to ensure that the polarity will always remain engaged...there needs to be fuel.


COMPULSION AND ATTRACTION ARE NOT THE SAME THING. COMPULSION IS THE FUEL FOR THE ATTRACTION.


What happens when you look into the eyes of someone who reflects that AI, all you see, cause you're down here in the living room doing the day to day thing, is someone outside yourself who is "perfect" or "ideal". But it's just a mental or emotional application, expression, (manifestation, see) of the subconscious triggering of the AI that compels you to find a way of getting the ceiling outta the way.


Whether they actually are or not is beside the point. It's only your recognition of the perfection of the AI that is the potential YOU. You have the acute recognition that they are everyting you are not. And you're not. These people - if they were you - would be the perfect you.

In the opposite sex cases, these 'perfect ideal women' are the necessary fuel to ignite the fires of attraction, because the opposites are required for the sustaining balance...which inevitably leads to mating, to creation of life - naturally speaking.

That's the projection. Because we don't recognize this nor understand it, we just assume, for no real logical reason, that this person is completely perfect, flawless, completely capable of obtaining anything they want...which is basically a list of all your own secret aspirations for yourself that you're projecting onto someone else.

And then your friends shake their heads and call you a goober, get over it, she's just some chick, she aint even all the hot...

Because it's not THEIR AI, it's yours. They'll never see her in that respect. They have their own to deal with.

The more perfect you find them to be the more you recognize all your flaws, your fears and weaknesses, by sharp contrast. See, meeting the AI is you predesigned reality check - the intimidation comes in because of the overwhelming acuteness of self awareness of just how ****ed up we are in that person's presence.

They're so beautiful, they'd never want me.
They can get anybody...I'm just (insert flaw here) - you are suddenly aware of all your flaws.

And worse, you know, when you encounter such women, you are prone - as we all are - to sudden anxieties that she somehow possesses full capacity to see straight thru you, that you're completely transparent to *her* but not your regular friends, she can just look at you and know how ****ed up you are, and therein lay the root of the fear. The threat is that they literally have that much power in their perfection.

They can't really read our minds...again, it's how we apply our rationalizations, but because of the contrast, this is how it always feels.

Once you go into the attic and see the golden shining brilliant pole you cannot help but be more fully conscious of all the chipped paint on the part that's in the living room.

Thats why people are so intimidated by the "unobtainable ones". The people you encounter that provoke that response are the composite reflections of your AI, *manifested* in whoever the person is. It's still all your perception tho...because it's not the person who is perfect - even tho you think they are, it's the AI of YOU that requires your integration of perfection.

The reason I started this off with suggesting you recall the earliest females that provoked this in you was to show you the power - and the illusion - of the AI. As who you are today, all your experiences have evolved you. If you were to run into the first female that ever blew you away, chances are high that her appeal will have decresed considerably and you'll literally have no clue why she was able to affect you so profoundly.

Cause she was never the 'perfect woman'. That was an intellectual label you conjured up to define her, because defining her brings about the first stages of control.

She was only a reflection of what was always the rest of YOU. And as you evolved, you just grew into more of it...so required less of the reflection from her (polarity) to sustain the dynamic...which, in its most basic core, is to ignite the fuel within you so that you are duely inspired and motivated to evolve...by seeing the glare off our flaws, we know we have no choice but to work on them. And therein lay the ultimate beauty of soul evolution

This is also the reason no other humna being can ever make us whole or complete...thinking otherwise shows how much power we've handed over to the illusion of the AI AS anyone else but ourselves.

But we all never see this for what it is, so immediately project that "perfection" onto the person, who, in reality, is probably just as ****ed up as we are and couldn't read anbody's mind and who, more often than not, will have been completely clueless to just how *really* ****ed up you are...but when they're your AI muse, anything they do is beautiful. We are acutely aware of how flawed we are when we recognize the AI muse.

We have applied our own emotional and intellectual rationalizations of perfection onto other people, and the reason they are a threat - the reason we're scared to say hi, and always assume an inferior position when dealing with them is because we are not aware that it's not them, it's an AI based response...the idea of another person being flawless and perfect, bringing that kinda contrast to our own frailties is more than enough motivation to try to "knock them down" a few or make them "mortal"...obtainable.

Yet, we sense we will never quite be capable enough to accomplish that. When we manage to hook up with the ideal ones in spite of our fears, and see them in their humanness, their appeal rapidly fades - their power over you weakens because you're integrating who you presumed them to be with who they actually are...and as a result becoming more fully manifest of your own AI in YOU.

And, as is the rule...once that AI projection is mortalized, and more integration is obtained, we lose interest in the union itself in the early stages because it is mandetory that we follow the AI muses thru the integration.

THEN when we have reached that level of wholeness, we're no longer compelled by our AI - and the unions we established are productive, healthy, and long term, based on all the right things...


In people that do not reflect this, we breeze on by assuming they can't see thru us like those that captivate us. But in reality, they're just as objective and probably see precisely how ****ed up we are.


Those people are also on our own side of the ceiling and we seldom if ever have the polarity of the active, passive force to ignite any attraction...so we don't mate.

You know who these women are. The women themselves have all evolved as you have evolved, each one becoming less of a "threat" because as you evolve, you are integrating the AI into a whole YOU, so there's less they reflect back.


If you recall these women who have blown you away, that you could not help but put them on a pedistal for little more than the fact they existed, you will be able to discover the "type" that embodies your AI. The women themselves may have changed, but the fundamental essence of the AI never changes.

It's not a superficial thing like whether she's aggressive and you're passive, or she's fat and you're not. It's not emotional nor intellectual. It's not hair color.

It's essence.

Women, who embody both m/f, are inherently female. Some are active and dominant, others are feminine and passive. Men, who embody both, can be active and dominant, or passive and feminine.

What they portray on the surface is typically a projection of the AI because the vast majority of people who are not self aware will inevitably compensate for the lack of balance by projecting the AI.

A rule of thumb, the more self aware someone is, the more integrated will be their AI and the less they will require someone else to balance them out.

The less self aware they are, the more their AI will be a projected image...which is - if they are someone you want - all you need to look for. When people project their AI, it's like a hologram and who they are "really" gets sent to the attic. The only way to get these people is to become what they project - in essence, not emotional, intellectual BS because it's fleeting and temporal.

If you know the girl is a passive, doormouse of a female, and when the chips are down, she seldom becomes aggressive or will retreat from conflict, her AI will be the exact opposite of this...she'll project the tough ***** attitude, carefree or maybe even reckless, she'll mouth off alot...come off like an aggressor.

Let the chips fall, and the pole in the living room will always be there.

It's an example. Study people sometime when you're out, kick back at your local bar and just observe, and see if you can spot the AI projectors...watch guys scoping one particular woman, compelled by her...she's his AI. Observe her, how she responds, her essence, and you'll begin to see this emerge so clearly you'll wonder how you always missed it.


The confusion comes in - which is where Jeffries and those clowns miss the entire reality check - is when the AI is not being properly integrated and people start "projecting" - when they are fundamentally submissive, but "become" their own AI as opposed to integrating it...therefore "becoming" basically, a mirror image of their AI if their AI was an actual person.

This is the very reason SS fails for soooo many of you guys. You have no idea there IS and AI, and especially that part where it's always hungry. When you meet a woman who's tough and opinionated, you honestly cannot tell - unless you understand this here - whether she's literally dominant or if its her AI projection. So you play the "eliciting values" rap and try to become her ideal guy, and get shot outta the sky repeatedly.

You have no idea why, and because ALL Jeffries and those clowns can come up with as a reason is "because she's bitter or a feminist or out for your money" or some stupid bull****, you guys are left hangin wondering *huh? I don't get it..."


If you had a grasp of fundamental nature you'd know before you ever even approached her whether she was D/s, whether her YOU were even her AI muse, whether she'd ever have sex with you...and if she would, what that reason was, so you'd know how much time to kill before getting to the goal line, how NOT to **** it up, and especially how to get the best from her and the relationship - on your terms. Plus, it'd always be conscious control. NOT conscious "power struggle".



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[Starman]

What is your crusade here anyway?

Why do you constantly waste yours and our time trying to convince us to listen to your cockamamey views on life?

Dont look at MEN .. Focus your energy on Women

Women set the standards..they make the rules..Men just have to react to their games.

i.e.

If a Guy calls a woman too early..she sees him as desperate..and lame..So as a REACTION men wait to call a few days

Guy treats girl like a queen, takes her out to dinner, pays, buys flowers, etc..The girl sees him as a pushover dweeb..

As a REACTION men treat women like they way they wante to be treated..

I think your focus would be more utilitarian if you went to a FEMALES board and help get their sh1t together..not Mens

[Mr. Mystery]

Very interesting stuff Destini.

Funny thing though, I never had a women push me to improve myself, I just had a lack of confidence in myself and when I finally realized that confidence, and started my path to self-actualization, women than started to be much more attracted to me than previously.

I have never thought to look for AI in people, maybe now I will check it out, just for kicks.

Mr. Mystery

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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[drZaius09]

never mind.

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[destini]

Mystery said:

&gt;&gt;&gt;Very interesting stuff Destini.
Funny thing though,
I never had a women push me to improve myself, &lt;&lt;&lt;


Then this should be a hella journey for you http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif


&gt;&gt;&gt;I have never thought to look for AI in people, maybe now I will check it out, just for kicks.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Best bet's to start to recognize the AI in yourself.

I said:

&gt;&gt;&gt;THEN when we have reached that level of wholeness, we're no longer compelled by our AI - and the unions we established are productive, healthy, and long term, based on all the right things...&lt;&lt;&lt;

Mystery said:

&gt;&gt;&gt;I just had a lack of confidence in myself and when I finally realized that confidence, and started my path to self-actualization, women than started to be much more attracted to me than previously.&lt;&lt;&lt;

In actuality, what you call "confidence" is no more and no less than integration of your own AI...it's you evolving, actualizing, becoming the whole person you were always supposed to be. Confidence is a by product of knowledge. When you don't know something 1. you are compelled by it and 2. you are afraid of it, so you actively seek out means of controling it, harnessing it. It's what we do in any situation.

When it comes to the cycle of Life itself, this AI is within us, we are compelled by it, we don't - as a rule - know it's there - and anyone we meet that embodies various collections of the AI qualitites, we are 1. compelled by them and 2. afraid of them, and because of it we will actively seek out a means of controlling it, harnessing it.

Hence, Sepped seduction, so suave, how to get - not just any old chick, but THE HOT BABES that you're all 1. compelled by and 2. afraid of...

Need I say more?

This is by no means "my views on life". This is straight human behavior, fundamental psychology - i.e., the part that makes you do everything you do and say everything you say and feel all the stuff you feel because you have little to zero self control, much less self awareness.

It's not a "view of life", honey. It IS LIFE. And until you get to know it for what it is, well, I guess you can always just wonder why there's no real quality or fulfillment in your life in the places you need it most...that is, if you're deep enough to ever wonder why...




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[CyranoDeBergerac]

There are so many flaws and miconeptions in this argument I don't even know where to start. Not to say that its entirely rubbish, it just seems like you've taken a few coarse instances, and in a desperate and feverish attempt to explain them, you jumped to conclusions and never stopped Jumping.

-CyranoDeBergerac

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[T Dog]

Can I get the cliffnotes on that novel?

[Mr. Mystery]

If confidence and AI are the same thing, than why call it something different?

The confidence or more so, self-actualization I am working on is not driven by my need to satisfy any particuliar woman, and I have been working on attaining it long before I knew this site existed.

My reasons for knowing myself go beyond just simply to attract women.

And the AI that I'm after in other women that I'm 1. afraid of?? I gotta strongly disagree with you on this one, I am confident enough to know that I have plenty to offer women and have no reason to fear them, as cocky as this sounds, I feel I am doing them a favor by letting them be in my life.

Of course I don't give them much of my time if their not fun to be around and interesting.

Mr. Mystery

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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[destini]

Mystery~

If confidence and AI are the same thing, than why call it something different?

Confidence and the AI are not the same thing. The AI is Archetype Ideal...your confidence is the degree in which you believe in yourself.The AI is who you are, but the subsconscious, hidden, "whole" you, so to speak.

When you look in the night sky and see the quarter moon, just cause you don't see theother half doesn't mean it aint there. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

The goal of the AI is "full moon".


The confidence or more so, self-actualization I am working on is not driven by my need to satisfy any particuliar woman, and I have been working on attaining it long before I knew this site existed.

Self actualization IS the ultimate integration of your hidden AI manifested in the whole you. And, granted, the point of this evolution isn't to "get chicks", obviously. I'm at least glad to know you're doing the work for the right reasons.


My reasons for knowing myself go beyond just simply to attract women.

See above http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif


And the AI that I'm after in other women that I'm 1. afraid of?? I gotta strongly disagree with you on this one,

You're not "after the AI" in other women. Those women reflect back to you various qualities of YOUR AI - at any given time of the encounter. The MORE they reflect it back, the more compelled to her you are.
I said above, the more self aware you are, the less intimidation there is. It stops becomeing a confidence issue and becomes an integrationg issue - what it is.

Only when you're unaware, unevolved, have no real clue why you are how you are, these women compel you and the "lack of awareness" is what intimidates the guys all over the place. But they know that once they meet her, get with her, "conquer" her that compulsion weakens...HIS illusionof who she always ws tempers into a realistic picture of who she is. Thru this union, on whatever terms, he begins to integrate these "criteria" whether he's conscious of it or not. He learns, he grows, he evolves. next time he encounters a woman 'like the last one' the intimidation issue is decreased. It's the women who are "perfect" more so, the absolute Ideal that noid him out.

I am confident enough to know that I have plenty to offer women and have no reason to fear them, as cocky as this sounds, I feel I am doing them a favor by letting them be in my life.

That's fine, but has little to do with what's taking place. But, if you are not reflecting any part of her AI back to her naturally, by the fact you exist, or by the fact you consciously deliberately project it, she will never be attracted to you no matter what. If you're attracted to her at all, she's an AI reflection (yours).

If you feel the phsycial attraction to her at all, the reflections are compelling you because they are a triggering of the integration process...the life dynamic has been engaged, naturally speaking, which is why you "have the urge to mate" with this woman, to balance the polarity, the perpetuation of Life, which is the point, but has, thanks to our self indulgent clueless egos, been bastardized into "getting laid" for the sake of pleasure.

doesn't mean we can't get laid for the hell of it. It means there's something else happening for other reasons that we comprehend, regardless of how we paint the surface pictures. doesn't change the FACT that it operates this way for a reason that cannot be changed excepting Death, so if you find a woman appealing at all enough to have sex with, it's your AI telling you there's more integrating that needs to happen, like it or not.


Of course I don't give them much of my time if their not fun to be around and interesting.


Attraction and compulsion are not the same thing. Compulsion is the fuel that runs attraction. You can be as cocky as you want, but if she doesn't find you attractive/compelling (meaning you don't reflect back any semblance of HER AI) she could care less either way, she has no attraction to you and you cannot change it.


If a woman IS attracted to you, she may or may not have sex with you. If she is COMPELLED by her attraction to you, you're so in it'd make your head spin.


Do you know how to know the difference? Would you like to know how to know the difference? If not, then don't worry about it. Keep on doing what you're doing and leave the whole thing up to chance.

The difference is that knowing means you are no longer compelled by life, experience or other people. It's not confidence. It's comprehension, awareness. Knowledge.

Very easy to "get". When you don't know, you're compelled. When you know, you're in control. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif



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[Mr. Mystery]

Thanks for clarifying.

So basically you beleive the whole opposites attract kinda attraction theory?

AI and self actualization are similiar? I beleive you said that self actualization brings you closer to your AI or perfect self. This isn't confidence? You could be right, maybe they are seperate things, but the closer you get to knowing yourself the more confident you become.

Could you go a little deeper into the compusion and attraction bit.

Thanks.

Mr. Mystery



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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[Paradox]

Moved to 'Tips'

[The Edge]

Destini.....
I have given up the hope of ever posting a reply, without either running into your name or train of thought.

First, "pat on the back" for being able to get your thoughts across without the use of vulgar terms as a buffer for your edgy comments..

I would love to spend an hour dissecting everything you've said on this thread, but the loud echoes of GRADUATE SCHOOL coerce me instead.

However I do have one question. After the exceptional display of your ability to recreate attraction into a science, and spoon feed it to a site filled with highschool and college students, how do you explain this?

Two men walk into a bar. Just for sh*its and giggles we'll call them Kwah(love that guy) and The Edge.

While they stand waiting for a beer they see a woman(we'll call her Ms Thang...love her too) standing across from them:

Kwah: Holy sh*it Edge look at Ms Thang, she's freakin' hott.

Edge: I second..

Now as simple as this conversation sounds, here is the question:

How in the name of God, can you validate Kwah's A. I. and Ms Thang's A. I. suddenly, WITHOUT the two of them meeting, automatically going through an encounter of Polar-like dimensions??

Mind you they are way across the room from each other.

He glances at her once, and has never seen her before, yet he experiences that DESIRE for her. For a second, he even places her on a pedestal!!!!!

A. I. huh? I know this to be simple attraction, perpetuated by lust...

However before I continue, answer the question....

The Edge... "Some have it , and some don't"

[xblitz44x]

Edge,

I will try to answer that...and will stand corrected if I am wrong.

When you look at somebody you don't know in a personal, ACTUAL level, your only basis is their physical appearence. When you see a 'hot' women, a chick that you are attracted to, you ASSUME or perceive them to have traits of your AI. This is because you simply ASSUME that hot girls fvck good, and that they are wild, and that they are sexy. You don't KNOW these things, but since they are characteristics that make up your AI (if in fact, they do), you PERCEIVE any girl which you are compelled by her looks to have it. It's just like if you were to look at Britney Spears (if you found her hot). You wouldn't assume that she's got a stinky pvssy, or that she is a total bytch, or that she has no confidence in herself. Because her image is sold based on the general man's AI. The hot girl across the bar that you have never met, you feel uncomfortable and nervous in front of her because you PERCEIVE, ASSUME (want) her to have these traits of your AI. And since, according to your subconcious, she does have these traits, the polar opposite of those traits are the flaws that are in you. You feel funny around her because you believe that she can see these flaws. Since her traits that are attractive to you are perfection, it ignites your flaws and makes you feel subconcious about them in yourself. And that is the reason for the uncomfortable feeling before you approaching.

-Blitz

[destini]

Blitz - remember, the AI is subconscious so it's not going to be anything we consciously apply. All we are doing, because it's compulsion, is responding to it and applying conscious labels and descriptions onto our perceptions of the other person, attributing it to them because we are unaware of its actual origin.

Knowing this and becoming aware of it has never been a mystery of Life...the answers to this and where to look are found up one side and down the other. The AI WANTS to be actualized...that's its entire function, goal. So we're given clues and signs and signals and neon flares all over the place.

ONLY a certain kind of individual will EVER be able to see this for what it is, and that is an individual who has made a conscious, deliberate choice for self actualization.

Then he's on the right path. All the others, like those people walking on that raod, laugh, dismiss and carry on, never having a clue what's on the other side of that fence.

They weren't going anyway.
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Mystery...

Sorry...took me a few to figure out where they moved it http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

&gt;&gt;&gt;Thanks for clarifying.
So basically you beleive the whole opposites attract kinda attraction theory? &lt;&lt;&lt;

It's not "theory" (per se). It's the force that sustains and perpetuates Life. Let me say, pending further explanation into another area altogether, that the same principles apply in the dynamics of any expereince. You must have this polarity period to even sustain the momentum in any of your experiences else the whole thing comes to a halt and ends. Polarity= life, no polarity = no life.

It's not a theory. It IS Life. It is what it is. So, work WITH it and the way will become surprisingly easier.


AI and self actualization are similiar?
I beleive you said that self actualization brings you closer to your AI or perfect self. This isn't confidence? You could be right, maybe they are seperate things, but the closer you get to knowing yourself the more confident you become.

The archetype Ideal is still you, but it's the complete you...the manifest you, the hidden you is not two different you's but the polarity OF you...one is your active manifest Self down here in the world, the other (polairty) is the hidden, fully actialized highest Self. It's the reason we evolve, the reason for self actualization is to integrate the manifest self with the high self - you know this already.

It is not "confidence". Confidence is what the manifest you feels each time you make it out a growth experience alive :P
It's a by product of the KNOWING YOU CAN. If you KNOW it, there is no doubt. Doubt, in itself creates the sapce for fears and anxieties that block you from the integration of the AI with who you are here and now.


Could you go a little deeper into the compusion and attraction bit.

I will do that in a seperate thread shortly.

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&gt;&gt;&gt;Destini.....
I have given up the hope of ever posting a reply, without either running into your name or train of thought.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Jeez, you give up so easily. We didn't even get to arm wrestle.


&gt;&gt;&gt;First, "pat on the back" for being able to get your thoughts across without the use of vulgar terms as a buffer for your edgy comments..&lt;&lt;&lt;


Blitz made me do it.

&gt;&gt;&gt;I would love to spend an hour dissecting everything you've said on this thread, but the loud echoes of GRADUATE SCHOOL coerce me instead.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Maybe we can meet over coffee.

&gt;&gt;&gt;However I do have one question. After the exceptional display of your ability to recreate attraction into a science, and spoon feed it to a site filled with highschool and college students, how do you explain this?&lt;&lt;&lt;


How do I explain what? How I "recreated attraction into a science" (which I didn't do - I just passed it along) or manage to spoon feed it to highschoolers and college boys?


All I did was lay it down on the table and chain a big ugly barking Rot to it and those who wanted to see, saw. Those would be the only ones who mattered. But, as I already knew, they weren't gonna see it anyway. I never was interested in cheerleaders. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif


Will do this one seperately too...so one post isn't so horribly long.



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[Bungo Pony]

In otherwords destini, you're talking about CHEMISTRY.

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Feelin' up, down & in-between,
Feelin' kinda cocky
Feel I'm on the rise,
Feel myself a-coming between your thighs" - Jackyl

[The Edge]

Originally posted by xblitz44x:
Edge,

I will try to answer that...and will stand corrected if I am wrong.

-Blitz

Blitz, you've explained PERCEPTION to a perfection. Good Job!!!

However, my question for her was to validate why the man(Kwah...just love this guy) glancing over at the woman (Ms Thang...love her too) from 10 to 15 feet away, fell to his knees with desire.

How in the world does Destini validate a "POLAR-LIKE ATTRACTION" when the two have not even met??

For a positive to even be slightly attracted to a negative( masculine A.I. and feminine A.I. according to "our lady with a destination") they both have to meet at some point for ANY type of attraction to occur.

Lust/ Desire/ Need/ Love/ Want/ Tenderness/ Flesh/ Heart/ Sex/ Throb/ Dilate/ Wetness..

Do you know why you felt good reading these 12 words?? Because they are all combined into a passionate extreme, that attracts us to each other!!

No matter how hard we try to break down the power of attraction into a science, the truth is, in the animal kingdom a horse would fu*ck its own mom just because he wanted to.

However, as humans, a thin veil separates us from the sporadic-like behavior of animals.

It's called our conscience, and with it, we have the ability to control our desires.

Thus, to put it matter-of-fact-like, we really CANNOT COMPREHEND, nor do we have a ability to provide any feasible explanation as to what drives us through the attraction phase.

However, as sorry as it sounds, we can learn how to manipulate it, through mediums. Be it speech patterns, begging theories, or reading Romance Novels(ugh!) as Destini puts it ..

Whatever works!!!(LOL!)

So the next time you want to explain the anatomical patterns that come together to form the mystic system we know as attraction, remember the one time your PU*SSY got WET when you saw someone you liked, and just...

LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!!!!


The Edge "some have it and some don't"

[Bungo Pony]

Originally posted by The Edge:

How in the world does Destini validate a "POLAR-LIKE ATTRACTION" when the two have not even met??


Even though this 5hit is not worded in a straight-forward way which I can understand easily, I think I get it. It's just an early stage of chemistry.

Look at it this way. Some fvcking AFC has got his eyes on this chick. He loves the way she moves, the way she smiles, the way she pulls her wedgie out of her asscrack, etc. He overheard her talking to one of her friends, and he loves the way she speaks and the sound of her voice. This fvckhole is feeling a chemistry with this chick who doesn't even know he exists. Same 5hit works for women.

However, the two COULD notice each other, and like how the other one acts without even meeting each other. They both feel some sort of chemistry with each other. Get what I mean? Of course the dumbfvck is too chicken-5hit to make a move on her cause she just seems to do all the right things to give him a lump in his pants.

Doesn't this 5hit just make you wanna go "awwwwwww!"?

[destini]

Pony

&gt;&gt;&gt;In otherwords destini, you're talking about CHEMISTRY.&lt;&lt;&lt;
AND biology AND physiology AND physics AND psychology... http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[b]The Edge


&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;However, my question for her was to validate why the man(Kwah...just love this guy) glancing over at the woman (Ms Thang...love her too) from 10 to 15 feet away, fell to his knees with desire.

How in the world does Destini validate a "POLAR-LIKE ATTRACTION" when the two have not even met??&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


Go back to my site, go to the link for "who exactly is destini9" and when that picture comes up you tell me 1. would you f*ck her and 2. how long it took you to make that determination.

The attraction is either there or it is not there. The same thing happens, precisely and for the same reason, when you look at a woman, be it in a picture or in the flesh, the attraction is there or it is NOT there. IF you look at a woman and you KNOW you would never f*ck her, there is NO ATTRACTION. IF you look at a woman and you KNOW that "given the right circumstance" you would, YOU WILL.

You either WILL or you will NOT and YOU KNOW this the instant you set eyes on someone.

Now, when you look at a woman, such as was the case for Kwah when he spied Ms Thang, the attraction was present ENOUGH to KNOW he wanted to f*ck her. Provided that's a literal example, either way, we'll pretend it is.

IF, however, he found her attractive but wasn't all that amped up at the idea of sex with her, the ATTRACTION is still present.

The difference, that you're wanting an answer to is between ATTRACTION AND COMPULSION. Attraction simply draws two opposites together. Compulsion guarantees it.

&gt;&gt;&gt;For a positive to even be slightly attracted to a negative( masculine A.I. and feminine A.I. according to "our lady with a destination") they both have to meet at some point for ANY type of attraction to occur.&lt;&lt;&lt;

No they don't. I'm not talking about superficial, emotional or intellectually based rationalizations like "if the timing was right" or "if she was thinner/fatter/smarter/cuter" I'd do her.

I am talking about core human motivation. Superficially it is attraction. Beneath it is compulsion. Compulsion driven attraction guarantees sex is inevitable PROVIDED nothing destroys it before it's manifested. You can always knock something off course.

Provided it's not knocked off course, and provided both continue to feed the dynamic between them interest and attention IN SEX BETWEEN THEM, the nature of that interest and attention will inevitably result in SEX BETWEEN THEM.

That might sound vague or abstract but it's really quite simplistic. It's common physics...everything in life, from objects to situations began with an Idea...and given then nature of applied force on that idea, resulted in a physical reality manifestation. Toilet paper was an Idea. Not it's a physical manifestation OF that idea.

We have "ideas" abotu what kinda partner we want, what kind of lifestyle we want, what kind of job we want...it's all IDEA. As long as we apply active interest and attention, we will ultimately manifest the partner, lifestyle, job in our reality.

The AI is an Archetype Ideal. It's NOT anything we consciously created. The AI is NOT "our ideal lover". The AI is a polarity balance of ourselves. Always was, always will be. In a nutshell, WE, you and me, and them and us, and everyone IS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION REALITY OF OUR OWN AI in any given stage of integration and wholeness. The AI, however, is fully realized. WE are NOT, and thus the purpose of "evolution" and "self actualization" is to ultimately integrate the full wholeness of the AI into a physical manifestation reality. Your AI IS THE reason you are here learning ways to better yourself. Your AI is solely responsible for motivating YOU, as a flesh and bone individual, to evolve and grow.

Kwah may take one look at Ms Thang and fall on the floor in a heated pile of smouldering passion, but Ms Thang may take one look at Kwah and feel nothing. Just because he is floored by her in no way "means" she will feel the same things.

If Kwah has this reaction to Ms Thang, it's BECAUSE, and only BECAUSE, she reflects back to him various qualities of HIS OWN AI, that he will inevitably, ultimately attribute TO HER as having, when in reality, she very does or may NOT possess them herself.

The MORE of the AI reflection he sees in Ms Thang, the MORE his attraction is driven by COMPULSION. There is a reason for this.

I explained it above. It's the reason we mate. We don't mate, and anybody who thinks anything differently is sorely uneducated, because we want to get laid, have sex, are horny, are in love, or any of those reasons. The ONLY REASON we, as humans, and same goes for any other breeding species, MATE AT ALL is for the purpose of perpetuating the species. Period. And this is programmed into each and every one of us from the moment we are conceived.

BUT...the POINT of Life is evolution. Evolution is the graduating of the species, "to form a more perfect life form", so to speak. This is WHY there is the polarity at all...those opposites do attract and the "fire" created by that attraction is the fuel called compulsion. The more of it there is, the more it is guaranteed we will mate BUT that we will mate with the right partner so that we can evolve the species the right way. Everything evolves. Death happens when those two forces cease to exist...when there is no polarity.

In order for this to be on "auto pilot" (cause we all know the Creator/s are not down here going, "hey! Time to mate! Evolve here! Let's go!") a mechanism was provided that would guarantee we would mate at all, have a reason to, and then ultimately, to do it for the good of the species itself. That mechanism is that thing you call "horniness" - that is the sexual urge to mate, programmed into every one of us. It's the Sex Radar...and it is pre-designed to "go off", send alerts thru our bodies when we are in range of the proper suitors for the task. The urges simply tell you that it's time to mate.

The AI is what tells you "who with".


&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Lust/ Desire/ Need/ Love/ Want/ Tenderness/ Flesh/ Heart/ Sex/ Throb/ Dilate/ Wetness..

Do you know why you felt good reading these 12 words?? Because they are all combined into a passionate extreme, that attracts us to each other!!&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


Well, first of all, I didn't feel anything whatsoever reading those words, aside from my overall feelings as I reply to you. And this assumption you made is so flawed it defies explanation. Words don't have a flying f*king thing to do with anything...other than to convey an IDEA. They are used by a conscious, unevolved brain to describe an abstract, evolved, concept. You can describe it any way you want, but that in no way changes, manipulates, or otherwise alters what IS. That's just you describing it based on how you perceive it.

&gt;&gt;&gt;No matter how hard we try to break down the power of attraction into a science, the truth is, in the animal kingdom a horse would fu*ck its own mom just because he wanted to.&lt;&lt;&lt;


Wrong. If and when a horse mates, it has little to do with what it "wants". He, like you and the rest of us NEVER MAKE conscious choices on whether to mate or not. Ever. We're GOING to mate because we are COMPELLED to mate. The compulsion is purely subconscious programming FOR THE PURPOSE of perpetuating the species, NOT because it was horny and that horse looked good. That's ridiculous. That horse, same as you, me, everyone else, has a trigger programmed into it designed to go off when it's time to mate.

The point I am going to assume you're making is that attraction isn't a "science" because it's compulsion. I guess...you're arguement there leave much to be desired. Attraction can be studied, measured, filtered, manipulated...therefore can be qualified as a "science" to some degree, depending on the "scientist". Attraction is measured by degree of compulsion. Not ego based want or desire. It's subconscious programming and we're programmed with a perfect image of the perfect mate that, when integrated, creates and sustains and perpetuates a perfect wholeness. The AI is behind the evolution, and that applies specifically to "who" we mate with at any time.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;However, as humans, a thin veil separates us from the sporadic-like behavior of animals.

It's called our conscience, and with it, we have the ability to control our desires.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Indeed we do.


&gt;&gt;&gt;Thus, to put it matter-of-fact-like, we really CANNOT COMPREHEND, nor do we have a ability to provide any feasible explanation as to what drives us through the attraction phase. &lt;&lt;&lt;

Wrong again. The correct answer is that we DO NOT COMPREHEND that we DO HAVE THE ABILITY to provide a solid, factual, provable explanation as to what drives us thru the attraction phase. We absolutely CAN comprehend it AND SHOULD comprehend it, cause it aint that hard to wrap your brain around. The only reason we don't, as a rule, comprehend it is BECAUSE it's a subconscious motivation...and because it is such, it is compulsion rather than consciously controlled. If you have any doubts about subconscious compulsions, then it is you who cannot see passed the edge of your nose.

And a very easy way to measure the subconscious compulsion is to look only at the physical manifestation reality is produces...and it always will. You just have to know it when you see it.

&gt;&gt;&gt;However, as sorry as it sounds, we can learn how to manipulate it, through mediums. Be it speech patterns, begging theories, or reading Romance Novels(ugh!) as Destini puts it ..

Whatever works!!!(LOL!)&lt;&lt;&lt;


I have no idea what you're talking about. YOU may not comprehend how powerful you Archetype Ideal is and how much you are compelled by it nonetheless, but that doesn't mean that it aint there and it aint making you do doggie tricks. It's extraordinarily powerful. Learn about archetypes. Learn about you.

&gt;&gt;&gt;So the next time you want to explain the anatomical patterns that come together to form the mystic system we know as attraction, remember the one time your PU*SSY got WET when you saw someone you liked, and just...

LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!!!!&lt;&lt;&lt;


Attraction doesn't have squat to do with mysticism. How you pulled that outta your asss is beyond me. And I genuinely hope to God above that you seriously do not really try to pull that "trance words" bulsh*t on real people in real life.

Here's the part you miss. All over the place. IF you walked up to me in a bar and you said that sh*t, and I gave you a blowj*b in the parking lot later, I know sure as I sit here you'd go home thinking Ross Jeffries is like the most smartesss dude everrrr...and it never would've occured to you that maybe, just maybe, the only reason you got it at all was because I found you fundamentally attractive enough (which comes straight from the AI reflection coming from within myself, projected onto you thereby engaging the compulsion beneath that attraction) to give you the time of f*king day.

And IF I didn't, you can use "p*ssy" and "wet" and "f*ck" til your teeth fall out but you won't EVER get any "cat" from yours truly unless you took it by force...and then you better make it good cause it'd be the last bit of p*ssy you ever got...





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[destini]

Bottom line........

"Horny" says it's time to mate.

"Attraction" brings you together.

"Compulsion" ensures it happens.

"AI" directs you to the right one at the right time for what you need to experience and ultimately integrate to evolve further.

ALL OF THESE will be present else NO F*CKING WILL EVER HAPPEN.

If any of these are not active, NO F*CKING WILL EVER HAPPEN.


1. Just because there is an attraction present, in no way implies nor assumes that it is of a sexual nature.

2. The ONLY TIME we have sex with ANYONE AT ALL EVER is when the attraction is fueld by compulsion.

3.If there is no compulsion attraction, there will NEVER be any sex happening ever, at all, no matter what you think, want, or do, short of rape.

4. Sexual/physical attraction IS COMPULSIVE.

5. Compulsive attraction will ALWAYS, by design, point us straight to those individuals who reflect back to us the proper polarity WE NEED TO INTEGRATE THAT WHOLENESS OF OUR OWN AI.



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[The Edge]

Originally posted by destini:
Pony

And IF I didn't, you can use "p*ssy" and "wet" and "f*ck" til your teeth fall out but you won't EVER get any "cat" from yours truly unless you took it by force...and then you better make it good cause it'd be the last bit of p*ssy you ever got...


[This message has been edited by destini (edited 12-06-2002).][/B]

Destini, I will apologize about one thing.

I was wrong: my mom actually had me when she was 19!! (Uhgggg! you guys are about the same age....) http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/confused.gif

Destini, talking to you can be compared to talking to my MOTHER in many ways: and this has nothing to do with you being a year younger than her!! It just the constant "Take out the Trash, or YOU GETS' NO SUPPER!!" references that get to me.

IT'S LIKE PLACING MY BALLS ON A SPIKE AND SMASHING IT WITH A MALLET!!!

As a result, I will say this...To respond to your statement above would BE AN ATROCITY. It would only fan the flames of incest that are hidden in our.... A.I.'s ......

Isn't that how YOU put it D.E.S.T.I.N.I.!!!

You know what though, I give credit where credit is do mom,..I mean Destini..OOPS!..

You are obviously a very intellectual woman with a lot to offer a man..(Or woman..LOL!)

But I am happy going to the bars and picking up 20-year women with SS techniques. They respond...Sorry!!

The truth is, as long as I am successful using something, I will continue using it. So take you witnessing to someone else's door PLEASE!!!

Who fu*cken cares if Ross Jeffries is a fast talking salesman???... IT WORKS FOR ME!..And that's all that matters.

I GOT LAID!! AFTER I USED HIS TECHNIQUES!!! AND THE WOMEN (although few) HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFUL!! (At least they are a sh*itload more attractive than the ones I fu*cked before I got SS Techniques down.)

Okay,don't get your BLOOMERS in a bunch. (40-year old women don't wear panties do they?) I'm sure back in Woodstock, guys were more responsive to your A.I. theory;... so here is an idea.

My dad was in Woodstock and he remembers hearing the whole A.I. jargon through the haze of drugs.

I figure the both of you can meet up, create a UTOPIA-like environment,and recount all your WWII stories.

Then he can give you some DI*CK!... No!.... better yet some GOOD DI*CK!

DI*CK SO GOOD IT WILL MAKE YOUR TOES CURL!!!

Maybe, then you will lay off this board, and stop bringing CANDY to our forum with statements like:

" Hey little boy, Listen to me, and Momma will make you a STAR!"

The Edge "Some have it and Some don't" http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/cool.gif



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[Marquez]

destini, from your Website:
I've gone round and round with guys over this "nice guy" busines because they're universally perceived as those spineless sappy guys who shove their heads up a woman's ass and get jerked around. It's *wrong*. I, personally, cannot tell you how many of those Casanovas in my lifetime have vowed all they wanted was a piece of ass, no ties, and I said, sure...no problem...and 2 months later they were so far up my ass God could barely breathe.

It's not a "nice guy" thing and it's not a "jerk" thing. It's a GUY thing. And what's happening inside him, how he perceives women, the strength of his own ego, how self aware he is.
I read every article on your website. My conclusion is: You have long ago put yourself above men. You perceive men as weak and boyish by nature. I assume, the reason for this is: Your family dynamic perceives your father as weak. Maybe he was a good guy, but did not have a father himself, maybe he was an alcoholic, left your mother, whatever. I state, your perception of your father has twisted your whole perception of men. It even goes that far, that obviously you only *choose* weak men (see your statement above), you filter reality that it fits your inner belief systems, and then your generalize that weakness is "a GUY thing".
You are on your samaritarian crusade because you think men are weak and they deserve your motherly help, which you give so self-sacrificing, but your reasons are simply not legit, so you encounter harsh resentments.
The AI and other theories, are YOUR rationaliziations for keeping up YOUR beliefs (and probably family dynamics).

Thanks for listening. Keep in mind that english is not my mother tongue.

[destini]

Edge

&gt;&gt;&gt;Destini, I will apologize about one thing.

I was wrong: my mom actually had me when she was 19!! (Uhgggg! you guys are about the same age....)

Destini, talking to you can be compared to talking to my MOTHER in many ways: and this has nothing to do with you being a year younger than her!! It just the constant "Take out the Trash, or YOU GETS' NO SUPPER!!" references that get to me.

IT'S LIKE PLACING MY BALLS ON A SPIKE AND SMASHING IT WITH A MALLET!!!&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


Well, thanks for clarifying your mamma issues for everybody. Actually, I'm not "scolding" you or anybody else. You know, we all have the Mother Archetype as well - point is, we HAVE these archetypes that are unconscious and hidden, but that nevertheless *compel* us to respond in various ways because we aren't *conscious* what we're responding to.

Your answer above is a shining, brilliant example of this entire manifestation of the AI...Shakespeare himself couldn't have done better.

You have, apparently attributed to me, without ever recognizing why, various traits you associate with the dominating mother archetype that, in your reality, threatens you. *Consciously* you KNOW I am not your mother and you KNOW I have no power over you and no reason to threaten your reality.

But the power of the unconscious archetypes is such that BECAUSE you don't consciously "get it" that 'hey, this is why I am feeling these feelings when I deal with D9 - I'm responding to the dominating mother archetype...and associate D9 with this archetype and projecting my perceptions - that I haven't reconciled with onto this person on this board' instead, you see me as being these things and therefore assume you're responding to me accordingly.

It's the same thing, honey.

We all have our Ideal Archetype Counterpart, and when we encounter such a person, we don't recognize it for what it is - we assume it's the person that has these traits therefore we're just responding to them.

How easy it is to see the AI at work...it's always manifested as a projection OR a reflection. It has nothing to do with THEM. It's YOUR perceptions to your OWN AI that CONTROL ALL YOUR RESPONSES TO EVERYTHING AROUND YOU.

When you encounter these girls (now that I know you could be my son), they still represent to you forms of your AI (counterpart)...this is why you're attracted to them. If they, in turn are attracted to you as well, it's NOT because of anything YOU did. It's BECAUSE you reflect back to them, by the fact you exist, various forms of THEIR AI (counterparts)...and the more of these "criteria" you reflect for one another, the more the attraction is fueled by *compulsion*, which is also hidden, subconscious, which is why you inevitably will have sex, as long as the dynamic is not disrupted.

It's nothing you can "consciously" deliberately "do" for each other...it's a recognition between you on an unconscious level, UNCONSCIOUS = YOU AREN'T AWARE OF IT.



&gt;&gt;&gt;As a result, I will say this...To respond to your statement above would BE AN ATROCITY. It would only fan the flames of incest that are hidden in our.... A.I.'s ......&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Well, you are responding. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif I don't even wanna know what that "incest" crack reveals, but I'd bet moneyit's that you have a problem with integrating your own dominance when going up against your own dominating mother. See, SEX IS integration or the polarities.

I'm sure this makes everybody cringe, but that's because it's UNCONSCIOUS COMPULSION so we aren't AWARE of it for what it is, but when people have (and we all do before it's said and done) incest dreams we repress them and dare not ever mention that to anybody because WE "consciously" perceive that to be sick and twisted. In reality, your unconscious SPEAKS TO YOU thru symbols such as the archetypes and feeds them to your conscious brain...where, in turn, you begin the process of labeling and describing your "feelings" and intellectual meanderings, and since you know it's against the law, and sick and twisted to have sex with family memebers, you assume you're f*cked up because you had a dream like that.

ALL that happened was your unconscious sent you a "picture" (archetype idea) of various issues it already knows (cause it's already the whole and perfect YOU and its entire purpose is to evolve you) of various polarity issues you need to face and reconcile and ultimately integrate so you CAN evolve. The depiction of SEX between ANYBODY IS ALWAYS ALWAYS about integrating the polarities.

So when - because it'll happen, you have that incest dream and I'm there stepping on your testicles with a pair of 6 inch spikes, instead of freaking out, just know that it came to tell you that you need to deal with your dominating mother issues in a more constructing way than compensating for telling her off by telling me off.


&gt;&gt;&gt;You know what though, I give credit where credit is do mom,..I mean Destini..OOPS!..
You are obviously a very intellectual woman with a lot to offer a man..(Or woman..LOL!)&lt;&lt;&lt;


Don't tell me, sweety...tell your mom. She's the one you need to deal with. Then "ballbusting" women like me will no longer effect you this way...and guess what. You'll have integrated a thicker level of the confidence you're after.


&gt;&gt;&gt;But I am happy going to the bars and picking up 20-year women with SS techniques. They respond...Sorry!!&lt;&lt;&lt;

There's nothing to be sorry about. I'm not knocking you or anyone else for trying to find things to help them better themselves. I'm knocking specific "programs" that incorporate unethical behavior as a prerequisite for doing something that will automatically, naturally happen anyway.

You THINK you are getting women with techniques because you're being compelled by your subconscious and don't know any better. But the FACT of the matter is, your confidence levels increasing only made YOU more inclined to follow thru instead of run orr of freeze up, which thereby ALLOWED the dynamic to progess like it was supposed to and gonna all along.

You'd still get laid regardless, is the point.


&gt;&gt;&gt;Who fu*cken cares if Ross Jeffries is a fast talking salesman???... IT WORKS FOR ME!..And that's all that matters.

I GOT LAID!! AFTER I USED HIS TECHNIQUES!!! AND THE WOMEN (although few) HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFUL!! (At least they are a sh*itload more attractive than the ones I fu*cked before I got SS Techniques down.)&lt;&lt;&lt;


Who cares? You should if you sent him your money. Again, you would have gotten laid ANYWAY. You don't believe this because you're basing it on the fact that youhad no confidence and because you didn't none of the girls liked you enough to give you any.

That's nonsense. The fact you didn't have any confidence was relevant ONLY in the fact you never allowed yourself to follow thru...so YOU blocked your own self from something INEVITABLE. Confindece is only enabling you to NOT slam the door on the natural dynamic. Those girls were still attracted to you and always would've inevitably f*cked you. They just couldn't get past your wall.

If they could have, you'd have gotten laid whether you were peeing in your pants scared or ballbusting and brave. RJ has nothing useful for you. IT WAS ALWAYS YOU THE WHOLE TIME and that's why you should care.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Okay,don't get your BLOOMERS in a bunch. (40-year old women don't wear panties do they?) I'm sure back in Woodstock, guys were more responsive to your A.I. theory;... so here is an idea.&lt;&lt;&lt;

I wear thongs, when I wear them. I was a child during woodstock, thanks tho. Bone up on yer cultural history next year.

And, your basic psychology. It's not "my" theory. It's a very real, scientifically based, universally accepted model of human behavior, founded by the renown psychoanalyst Carl Jung. It iant something I "made up". This is HOW YOU OPERATE, and whether you belive it, buy it, understand it doesn't change a damn thing. It's been around much much longer than "woodstock".

Educate yourself. When (and if) you actually make it to colleg, be sure to get a good dose or 4 of psych classes. Then come on back and try again.


&gt;&gt;&gt;My dad was in Woodstock and he remembers hearing the whole A.I. jargon through the haze of drugs.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

which is no doubt the reason he's failed miserably in enlightening you.


&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I figure the both of you can meet up, create a UTOPIA-like environment,and recount all your WWII stories.

Then he can give you some DI*CK!... No!.... better yet some GOOD DI*CK!

DI*CK SO GOOD IT WILL MAKE YOUR TOES CURL!!!&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


DUDE. Are you like trying to set me up with yer dad??!! YOU got ISSUES. I think YOU need to get off the board and go confront your problem with your mother, and help daddy figure out why he's inept in his union with her. Cause it's sorely f*cking you up.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Maybe, then you will lay off this board, and stop bringing CANDY to our forum with statements like:

" Hey little boy, Listen to me, and Momma will make you a STAR!"&lt;&lt;&lt;


No, but if you take a really big breath and hold it, maybe I'll consider it. I'll let ya know ext Christmas http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



[This message has been edited by destini (edited 12-07-2002).]

[destini]

marquez

&gt;&gt;&gt;read every article on your website. My conclusion is: You have long ago put yourself above men. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

You may have read em but you certainly didn't comprehend them. I don't put myself above anybody.If that's what you got out of it, that's what you were predisposed to get out of it from the 'flame' happening over her.

&gt;&gt;&gt;You perceive men as weak and boyish by nature.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

We are ALL weak and [childish] by nature. This is WHY I introduced you to your AI. Sorry you can't get your brain around it. And I'd tell you the same sh*t if you were a chick.


&gt;&gt;&gt;I assume, the reason for this is: Your family dynamic perceives your father as weak. Maybe he was a good guy, but did not have a father himself, maybe he was an alcoholic, left your mother, whatever. I state, your perception of your father has twisted your whole perception of men. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Well, like that's something earth shattering. We ALL have issues with the opposite sex based on the parent archetypes and our relationships with them. That much you got right - except you erroneously assumed it was a "solitary issue" with just me and now you qualify for the APA.

My perception of men is clear as a bell. I did the work. Did you?


&gt;&gt;&gt;It even goes that far, that obviously you only *choose* weak men (see your statement above), you filter reality that it fits your inner belief systems, and then your generalize that weakness is "a GUY thing".&lt;&lt;&lt;


You have so completely missed the entire f*cking point of what you copied/pasted up there it's not even amusing.

The POINT I was making, that somebody with a semblance of common comprehension skills could pick up, is that the SS sh*t being fed to YOU guys ABOUT what a "nice guy" is or what a "jerk" is is horsesh*t. YOU are buying into the sterotypes. I wasn't saying *I* did by any means.

What *I* said was that YOU have assumed nice guys are spineless p*ssies who cant' get laid BECAUSE they're nice. An "jerks" get laid BECAUSE women want assh0les.

THIS is horsesh*t. The NEXT comment was a statement of fact that I personally have hooked up with the guys YOU (not me, cause I don't buy it to begin with) would classify as being a "jerk" PLENTY of times, and that by "jerk" he should be unwilling to be there, arrogant, pompous assed, selfish and self absorbed, all those "cliche jerk traits" and every last one of them "out for getting laid".

But it wasn't two months before they were up my ass, supplicating, doing all those things YOU CLASSIFY as being "nice guy/loser" traits. NOT ME cause I don't classify people that way to begin with. It aint about nice guys or jerks.
ALL GUYS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH AN ******* THEY WANNE BE WILL ALWAYS SUPPLICATE TO THE PUS$Y WITH THE *RIGHT WOMAN*.

AND ALL FEMALES, NO MATTER HOW B*TCHY WILL ALWAYS SURRENDER TO A DOMINANT MALE.

Maybe, for your satisfaction, I'll clarify it for you as it aint a guy thin, it aint a girl thing. IT'S A HUMAN THING.

Comprehend somthing. You read ONLY what you wanted to read, nevermind the fact it had totally nothing to do with the verifiable POINT of the post itself.

&gt;&gt;&gt;You are on your samaritarian crusade because you think men are weak and they deserve your motherly help, which you give so self-sacrificing, but your reasons are simply not legit, so you encounter harsh resentments.&lt;&lt;&lt;


Is that what it is? Thank you so much for "fixing me". Now all I need is some real man c*ck. Got any?


&gt;&gt;&gt;The AI and other theories, are YOUR rationaliziations for keeping up YOUR beliefs (and probably family dynamics).&lt;&lt;&lt;

You'll have to take that one up with Jung. I'm sure he'd take issue with me touting anything as "mine". Other than that, go back to psychology school.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Thanks for listening. Keep in mind that english is not my mother tongue.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Anytime. I will keep that in mind.

[Mr. Mystery]

Destini,
You seem to have bought into your philosophical view. You believe it completely. One thing that you should keep in mind when dealing with philosophy is that it is best to be skeptical.

You seem to believe it completely. Suppose that this polarity is the real thing, what does it have to do with men here learning how to better themselves?

If the polarity is something we can't help, why worry about it? That is a big question I know you can't answer because its been asked so many times about philosophy.

It is interesting stuff but you should stay open minded when dealing with philosophical ideas.

Mr. Mystery

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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[The Edge]

Originally posted by destini:
Edge

So when - because it'll happen, you have that incest dream and I'm there stepping on your testicles with a pair of 6 inch spikes,

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.........WHY EVEN BOTHER!!!!!!..............
I smell a lost cause, and it sure smells like FISH!!! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/confused.gif

Destini...'UNCLE'.... There, I've said it..

You win, I lose, I'll take the candy, and I'll fu*ck you... Away from the playground though, where you won't get in trouble OKAY!!!

SHEESH !!! Do you have anything the fu*ck else to say grandma????

See you on another thread dude, this sh*it died the moment the letters " A " and " I " wriggled out of your fu*cken mouth..

The Edge "Some have it.. and some don't"

[destini]

Hi Mystery~


&gt;&gt;&gt;You seem to have bought into your philosophical view. You believe it completely
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You seem to believe it completely. Suppose that this polarity is the real thing,&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

It's not "philosophy" and it's not "my" philosphy. It's a FACT of Life, of Nature.

Look around you. This polarity IS in ALL there is. On-Off. Up-Down. Black-White. In-Out. Hot-Cold. Strong-Weak. Love-Fear. Understadning-Confusion. Male-Female.

It's verifiably, universally proven FACT that ALL there is operates solely from the Male-Female Active-Passive polarity.

A light is either ON or it's OFF. An airplane is either UP or it's DOWN. You either WILL or you WON'T.

It all follows this principle. LIFE, human beings are no different. We are either conceptual or manifest. In order for any of us to get here at all, there HAD TO BE an active male force and a passive female force. Your dad was a male, your mom was the female, the active male force is the sperm, the passive feminine force is the egg, the act of sex itself requires the active male penis penetrating the passive female vagina, the process of germination follows the same principle, the fetus is hidden within the passive female womb until it is birthed into an active manifest (male) human.

In each and every creature there is the active, masculine consciousness and the passive, feminine UNCONSCIOUS.

EVERYTHING we do follows the same polarity: we're either passive or we're active, dominant or submissive, reserved or outgoing.

If you draw a picture, the crayon is the active, male tool and the paper is the passive, female canvas.

If you go pee, the toilet it the active male appliance and the bowl is the passive, feminine receptor.

If you fly a kite, the kite is the active male toy and the sky is the passive, feminine backdrop.

EVERYTHING is based, completely, down to the lowest possible denominator, ON the masculine/feminine active/passive POLARITY.


&gt;&gt;&gt;what does it have to do with men here learning how to better themselves?

If the polarity is something we can't help, why worry about it? &lt;&lt;&lt;

Compulsion is what happens when "you can't help it". The reason you can't help it is because ALL compulsion has its roots within the passive, feminine Unconscious, hidden from our active, masculine conscious minds.
JUST because we aren't aware of it in no way means it aint there...or that it aint still making us do the most "irrational" doggie tricks. On the contrary. And the less we are aware, the more powerfully we are led round by our noses by it.

The answer to both those questions is the same. As long as we do not understand our own processes, or WHY we respond as we do, we are unenlightened and no evolution will ever happen. Period. We will continue to be *compelled* by our unconscious dictates.

In and of itself, if that doesn't matter to you, fine, not the issue.

BUT if you are trying to do something that absolutely, without a doubt makes direct and total USE OF the Unconscious compulsion in another human being, then you NEED to know it's there and how to recognize it, how to work WITH IT.

Guys trying to seduce women cannot "seduce" women - respective of their ideas of what seducing women is because it's flawed. Anything you build on a faulty foundation will never succeed. It's always gonna come crashing down.

If you are looking at methods of "getting women" (regardless of the method) but you do NOT understand and recognize WHY you are attracted or sexually compelled by some people and not others, OR THAT other people are - and are not - attracted or sexually compelled to you, OR WHY that is, then whatever you try to "use" cannot possibly "work".

IF and when you obtain the results (regardless of what you did) and "get a woman", you will consciously apply a perception onto whatever behavior you performed and attribute it, FALSELY, onto the result that was successful.

In the future, you pull this out and "try it" again. No results. Instead of understanding WHY that is, you consciously apply a perception onto whatever bahavior you performed and attribute it, FALSELY, on to the result that was a failure.

In reality, you're developing an entire system of belief based on faulty structure and zero understanding of factual reality.

ANY 'confidence" you think you have obtained will ALWAYS be at risk because ALL it will ever take is ONE situation you cannot immediately get a handle on, and you'll immediately attempt to file thru your conscious drawer of "beliefs" to find something that provides a precident, and there won't be one.

WHEN that happens, and the first time you feel threatened, it will do MORE DAMAGE to your PSYCHE (which is the ONLY PLACE from whence true confidence originates) and make it HARDER for you to overcome the "blow" of the failure or barrier, obstacle, or whatever happened.

If you backed up and recognized WHY you even feel attraction, and WHY you do not, and the reason behind the sexual compulsions toward some people and not others, then youhave KNOWLEDGE of yourself and of other people.

WHEN you have knowledge, that is FACTUAL knowledge, the foundations will be solid and reliable. Because there is KNOWLEDGE, there is no room for doubts, fears, uncertainties. You simply KNOW. And WHAT you KNOW is FACTUAL REALITY. From this knowledge springs GENUINE AND UNSHAKEABLE CONFIDENCE that nothing else can ever threaten.

It's PERMANENT. And you WILL be able to tell the difference. It's not, "I feel great, I'm validated, look at me go". It's calm, assured, peaceful KNOWING that it is what it is and it will never dissolve.

There's nothing you can ever do to change factual reality. All you can ever change are your perceptions of it. Therein lay the key to your success in anything, women included.

You are attracted to anyone that your unconscious recognizes as mirror reflections of itself...that will ALWAYS BE consciously perceived as polar opposites...because your unconscious and your conscious ARE polar opposites.

When your unconscious recognizes these reflections in someone and is determined as being important "criteria" it knows you need to integrate to EVOLVE THE CONSCIOUS YOU, it will feed you a very clear "alert warning".

Your unconscious will feed you this by adding to the attraction the component of sexual urge, deepening it into compulsion. The more of this criteria you need to integrate, the stronger those urges will become and the more profound your attraction to the other person that's reflecting back to the conscious YOU, what YOUR unconscious needs for you to integrate so that YOU can actualize and evolve.

Your conscious, however, that is UNAWARE OF THIS FOR WHAT IT IS, can only respond to those feelings and urges by applying "conscious" labels and descriptions in order to communicate and comprehend, and it will do so based on ALL environmental and genetic criteria that's been fed into it from the day you were born, based on your upbringing, individuation, influences, society, and so on...


...Until, you, like everybody else who doesn't know any better,
feel the "arousal for mating warning" and consciously perceive "you're horny and wanna get laid and need to find a chick, especially a hot chick since that'll make you feel better about yourself and your masculinity, and to your buds in gym..." and any other bunch of nonsense you've bought into in your life.

You walk in a room and look around. You see 5 women. Your unconscious feeds you nothing more than basic attraction...maybe even 2 of them it tells feeds you a repulsive warning, meaning IT KNOWS that those two are NOT suitable for you to mate with for reasons known only to your unconscious, as it applies to your evolution.

Because ALL you consciously feel is "repulsion" you immediately begin to apply conscious attributes onto that perception, and end up satisfied with, "she's too ugly/fat/*****y/ or anything else your CONSCIOUS BRAIN has bought into as being "undesireable traits". and you're fine with that.

Then in walks the right one. Your unconscious immediately recognizes her and feeds you with an instantaneous urge to mate, that you, in your consciousness, immediately interpret as "she's a babe and I want some of that". And the more intense the "alert" the more you STILL RELY on you conscious brain to filter and attribute the information coming from your Unconscious.

If it's "unfathomnable" or confusing and you don't understand, your unconscious will point you in the right direction. It doesn't just leave you hanging...it's goal is your evolution. So, it will "ding ding ding" louder and louder, like a radar detector when your perceptions get closer to the "criteria". All you get from it is that you're head over or "in heat" because she's beautiful, she's smart, she's sexy, she's wild, she's fun...all these things that your CONSCIOUS brain has attributed TO HER because it didn't know any better, that you find "ideal" in another person.

ALL that is taking place is that your unconscious is trying to get you to integrate i.e. mate .i.e. balane the polarities within yourself. Every one of those things you applied to another human being are ALWAYS coming from yout OWN AI perceptions and NOT THE PERSON THEMSELF.

YOU - and they - are ALWAYS responding to your own unconscious AI in all that you do.
And BECAUSE it is HIDDEN, meaning you aren't AWARE of it, ALL you can do is base everything you do on conscious perceptions.

IF those perceptions are WRONG to begin with, YOU cannot actualize. IE: YOU CANNOT MANIFEST INTO REALITY WHAT YOU WANT OR WHO YOU WANT TO BE. EVER.

You, who are immature and impatient and self absorbed, will immediately dismiss this as "whatever" long as you get laid, you don't care about all that stuff.

I am here to tell you that you will always get laid anyway when you can just get out of your own way. Any confidence you think you have obtained, without understanding what you're doing or why, is false confidence. You may not believe me right now cause you're amped and SS is "proven" by you, yourself.

But it'll happen. And every last bit of "confidence" you thought you had will dissolve before your very eyes. You will encounter that one woman some where, some time, when you least expect it (which will ALWAYS coinside with a much need transfromative period for you) and all your SS confidence and ego chillin will go right out the window.

She'll have you on your knees against all your best intentions and despite anything RJ can pull outta his asss.

THAT is why it matters. If you're looking to actualize and better yourself by way of indulging in your attraction for women, there's NOTHING wrong with that and THAT, for what it's worth is PRECISELY WHAT your unconscious is compelling you to do, time and again.

Further, you will go thru this time and again with countless women BECAUSE integration is a PROCESS.

It wants you AWARE so that you make CONSCIOUS CHOICES based on factual reality and proper foundation else there won't be any "betterment".




&gt;&gt;&gt;That is a big question I know you can't answer because its been asked so many times about philosophy. &lt;&lt;&lt;

I did answer it..with fact. Ya know, I doubt any of you (who use your brains) would argue with me that Einstein was brilliantly genius.

So let me leave you with this one last little gem...Enstein said...


The greatest mystery of life is that the universe is comprehensible.

It's not "philosophy". It's not "mysticism". It's not "jargon".

It's reality. It's LIFE. It's HOW we work and WHY we work and WHAT FOR.
It's proven. Validated only by looking around you.

And more comprehensible than you could ever imagine...

This information can do nothing BUT help you.
In more ways than you think. Whether you're willing to make a true conscious choice to wrap your brain around remains to be seen.




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[destini]

My "views" of it, however are that it's the most humbling education we can get.

You couldn't pay me enough money to go back to life as it was before I learned this. Ever. And once you learn it, it's my opinion you'll feel the same way.

[Mr. Mystery]

Destini,
Our definition on confidence seem to differ, I have explained my view of it in my post here in tips "The essence of the Don Juan", check it out and give me a little feedback on it, I am curious as to how you will see it.

If this polarity exists, how could one be attracted to another and not have the feelings reciprocated. In my place of work, most of women there are attracted to me, but I am only attracted to a few of them. If they are attracted to me and compulsed to make it evident, than why don't my feelings recipricate that attraction since its happening because of our opposite polarity?

Mr. Mystery

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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[Kwah]

You people actually read that entire post?

[Mr. Mystery]

Originally posted by Kwah:
You people actually read that entire post?

Kwah, you've posted 10 times in the last ten minutes, I think you have a little time to spare. Why don't you read it too?

Mr. Mystery

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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[destini]

Mystery~

I read your condifence post. When you say:

"Its been written before that you shoudn't think you are the catch, you should know you are the catch. To truely know you are the catch you must know yourself, and accept who you are and never be afraid to be you. You have to be comfortable being you, to explain it any further than this would only complicate things, for it is as simple as that. This is true confidence, and if it is acheived your life will be bliss.

It takes time and drive to get to this point, but the time it takes for you to get to the point where you are truely confident being yourself is the best investment in the world, it will be the best time you ever spent."


You are absolutely correct.

Confidence IS assurance. Confidence and assurance are the same thing.

If you're confident, you are assured.
If you're self confident, you are self assured.
If you're white, you're caucasian.
If you're black, your negro.
If you make a lot of sh*t nobody can figure out how to operate, you're Japanese http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

This, tho, that you said, itn't accurate. It's a misperception you've gotten from SS:

"I think we all agree that confidence is the biggest turn on for women right??" and

"Acheiveing this will not only get you TON'S of women"

The ONLY women who will respond to your confidence in a sexually compulsive way (as in, they're turned on by your confidence and are compelled to have sex with you) are women who are NOT confident - who have their own confidence issues they need to be whole in themeselves. They attach a perception onto you based on their own AI criteria that THEY NEED to evolve and "better themselves" whether they're ever consciously aware of it or not.

Confident women who want to have sex with you simply *appreciate* your confidence, but their attraction and/or sexual compulsion toward you has absolutely nothing to do with your confidence. You're reflecting back to their AI something entirely different and unconnected to your actual levels of confidence.

Ergo, let's assume you buy this premise that "all women" are turned on by condifence. You encounter a woman who, upon sight alone, her "radar" goes off and she's about to wet her panties to get you into bed. She sends you all the mating signals and you - because you're confident in your own self, return them and allow the dynamic to evolve. You are straightforward, assured, say all the right things, certain your confidence is the key.

You finally hook up and have a weekend of fabulous sex together. Somewhere during the "pillow talk" part, she tells you that she's just amazingly turned onto you, can't get enough of you, you're just perfect.

YOU, however, are both flattered and stumped - you still know, despite your confidence, you got issues. What in God's name is this woman seeing in you? Your confidence? So you go off on a little trip about feeling confident and self assured and how you reached it and she dismisses that with, "that's fine but that's not why she's with you" would you be able to know why she's there telling you (she thinks) you're perfect?

Remember, she did this based off looking at you. It could've been, and very often is, no more and no less than you UNCONSCIOUSLY project natural male dominance that only HER UNCONSCIOUS recognizes as something SHE NEEDS to evolve in her own reality. She sees you and her UNCONSCIOUS starts feeding her alerts, and she only consciously applies labels and descriptions of this she's perceiving FROM her UNCONSCIOUS and attributing them to you...even if she doesn't know she's doing it. What the eyes register as data and feeds directly to the UNCONSCIOUS is so vast we NEVER have any idea how much we let in, or how it ultimately affects us.


Point being, our attraction - especially sexual compulsion for "mating" - has nothing whatsoever to do with superficial qualities in other people. It's ALWAYS about what WE personally need, as directed BY the unconscious TO incorporate and integrate into ourselves. Anytime you're sexually attracted to a woman and look at her and say "I am so drawn to her because she's..."
whatever comes out of your mouth next will be diametrically opposite to qualities you still lack and still need to make yourself whole. THAT is why you're attracted to her at all.

You don't know that it's stuff you need to balance out and because you don't see it for what it is, AL you CAN do is conscious application of those perceptions. You give her those qualities, always assuming it's she who literally has them, and the less self aware we are, we're always in danger of hooking up with other people and feeding off them, instead of doing the work to grow while in that union.

"You make me complete" is a prime example of somebody feeding off other people and not growing or incorporating those "criteria" into themselves naturally.

Once they do that, tho, once they know themselves (and they will in stages), they KNOW it. Their confidence is ingrained and unwavering.

Check it:
Can you ride a bike?
Can you tie your shoes?
Can you drive a car?
Can you change a light bulb?

Of course you can.And you KNOW you can.That is assuance. It's what true confidence feels like.

If you scoff and strut around acting like you're the king of lightbulb changers but somewhere inside you get a little freaked every time you have to change a light bulb, it's not confidence and never was. It was swolen ego.

If you have to drive somewhere and the idea of it brings you anxiety, that's not confidence. It was always swollen ego.

If you fancy yourself a lady killer casanova but there's still always some woman somewhere who halts you in your step, even if you still approach, you don't have confidence. It's all inflated ego.

Confidence is unwavering in any circumstance.

SS instills ego in guys to compensate for yall's lack of power and understanding (i.e. confidence) in dealing with women - again, there is polarity. You're all here to overcome this imbalance, plain and simple. Instead of helping you understand anything, it feeds your egos with "affirmations" to convince your conscious minds you're "alpha males" and you hve to "know it" and you have to "command respect", basically stuff that does nothing but overinflate your egos.

Take Edge, for a prime example.

Convincing your conscious minds you're anything at all - when it comes from the outside in, is ALWAYS EGO dancing. It's you not doing the real work that still needs to be done and that will still get done, because aside from the mating, your unconscious will still lead you directly and deliberately into and out of millions of predicaments in your lifetime to test what you're made of. And everytime you come out the other side of oneof those experiences, you do so with an integrated level layer of confidence, which will continue to happen beyond your control until you "know yourself" - which is exactly this that I'm cluing you into. When you "know youself", you will know this I am showing you...that's what will happen.

You can go into battle strutting around like a peacock with your alpha feathers pricked, knowing "consciously" you're the alpha dawg, but you'll be dropped to your knees over and over until you LEARN from the INSIDE OUT that you aren't...and that you have to do the work. Eventually you know. And when you know, then you have confidence.

And when you have confidence, your d*cks don't get hard at the idea of being the alpha anything. You know you can't command or demand anything. Especially respect.

Still...just because you're confident doesn't mean that's why you're getting laid. Sadly, as I started out saying, the only times you get laid by a female who's there specifically becuse she's drawn to your confidence, you can rest assured she'll have little of it.

So, enjoy that scene... http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif




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[destini]

And your last question:

If this polarity exists, how could one be attracted to another and not have the feelings reciprocated. In my place of work, most of women there are attracted to me, but I am only attracted to a few of them. If they are attracted to me and compulsed to make it evident, than why don't my feelings recipricate that attraction since its happening because of our opposite polarity?


Because, as I explained previous, it's ALWAYS about ourselves.

You have your own set of "criteria" YOU need to become whole, actualized, to be able to bring into full balance and harness that balance of the unconscious/conscious polarity.

Consider the Unconscious the unseen puppet master, behind the scenes yanking your strings. You're the puppet. all you know is that if you do this, this happens, if you don't do that, that happens.
In reality, YOU aren't doing it...the puppet master's moving you.

Well the PM knows what it wants from you, how it wants you to be. In order to be this, youhave to experience various things...various movements of the strings.

Now, if someone else jumped into the show box, the PM looks over and sees another PM's puppet and recognizes YOU NEED to experience X situation with that other PM's puppet, so it let's you know by stirring up your hormones and getting your attention about the other puppet.

YOU - in YOUR LIFE - are dealing with your own unconscious for what YOU need. Has nothing whatsoever to do with what they need or whether they return your attraction.

IF it is returned, then what happened for you thru your "puppet master" happened for them. Their PM saw you and recognized their puppet needed X experience with you - but that experience may be for completely different reasons.

You might have confidence issues and that puppet is - you perceive - totally on top of sh*t, they, however might be in need of understanding some trauma from their childhood that'll be played out in some interaction only you were able to provide - as a puppet - at that time.

So, just because you're attracted to someone enough to want sex with them in no way means it's automatically reciprocated.

And when it's reciprocated, it doesn't automatically mean that it's the same polarity issue for them too.


ONE thing. It's been kinda hinted at that because this is how it is that it takes the quality out of the experience of dating. That it takes the "choice" out or that if it's all happening beyond our control and we can't help it, what's the point?

Okay, not knowing this, we go thru life shooting arrows in the air, hitting and missing, getting completely caught up in agonizing situations with people who will never return what we feel for them, we don't know why, it makes us sick to our stomachs to discover the one we loved is more attracted to someone else, or that we long for someone to notice us and they just don't.

We go thru the most agonizingly horrendous experiences "in the name of Love' and it literally f*cks people up. People take lives, literally take another human life over their entangled egos in some relationship that they couldn't control, much less understand. We're constantly swept away by illusions and delusions, clinging desprately to the hope that maybe, hopefully, out there somewhere is a soulmate, somebody just for us to love...but with each and every relationship meltdown, with each rejection, we begin to close our hearts and replace it with ego dancing, petrified to let anybody get close to us.

And we call this QUALITY OF CHOICE?

When you see what's happening, the agony is gone. It does NOT MEAN all your ties will be smooth sailing - on the contrary, your trials and tests will ge t harder and harder, the more you gain SELF awareness. But BECAUSE youhave seen the man behind the curtain, you KNOW that anything and everything you're led into is ONLY AND ALWAYS for the ultimate betterment of yourself, for your wholeness and it will ALWAYS work out in your best interests.

When you KNOW THIS, you have true confidence that there's no longer a situation you encounter you can't get thru on your own mettle.

If you look at these mating dances as a journey to the ultimate destination, your Holy Grail, your The One, your TRUE Soul Mate, each experience with the AI Muses is only leading you to The One...they are, because they are, PREPARING YOU FOR YOUR COUNTERPART.

You enter into all your relationships with the awareness that you're there to learn, teach and grow...and the quality of anticipation is so much richer when you SEE what's happening and can always make conscious choices that ARE for your actualization and growth and not to pacify your ego.

Casual sexual interludes still fall into this category. Sex always = integration. You can still enjoy the nut. You can still indulge in all the sex you want, but your choices are real and valid, and they're putting you in situations with people for your own good, even if the entire union sucks. It's trying to show you something YOU need.

And what you need is real understanding of who's been pulling your strings all your life, and then findout what it wants from you and then work with it.




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[Mr. Mystery]

Your last reply is strikingly similiar to what I consider to be the way of life for a Don Juan.

Gain confidence by accepting and knowing yourself, learn through experience, whether it be good or bad, and don't let others be the goal, you have to want it to improve you.

The philosophy, if you will, of this site (or at least my take on it), coincides well with your theory.

The system you speak of hasn't clicked for me yet. The way I learn things isn't like others, I either get it completely and can accept it, or I don't fully understand it so I reject, or more so put it on hold,for the time being. I still don't see knowing this info helping me too much, as the way I see things now is working out great for me.

You have explained it well, I find your ideas interesting and thank you for taking the time to explain them to me, I enjoyed discussing this with you.

Mr. Mystery



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"Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around" - Vanilla Sky

The unexamined life is not worth living – Socrates

"Whats your favorite position? That's cool with me, it's not my favorite but I'll do it for you" - Tenacious D - Fvck her gentley

"I'd rather hear no, than never know" - Mr. Mystery himself!

Those that go searching for love, only manifest their own lovelessness. And the loveless never find love, only the loving find love. And they never have to seek for it - D.H. Lawrence

"Don't take life too seriously or you'll never get out alive" - Van Wilder

[destini]

Mystery~

WHY do yall insist on referring to this as a "system"?

It's HOW you operate. This isn't something I made up here. This comes straight from science. I'm pointing it out to you here. Trying to tie it all together for you so that you will step back and realize that we are, and why this isn't registering with you is beyond me - we are all genetically programmed to respond to certain stimulus, to behave in certain ways in certain situations.

The fact you get horny and wanna get laid is NOT your decision. You are perceiving NATURALLY ENCODED urges that happen regardless of whether you like it or not.

It's coming from the same programming that makes you have to go to the restroom, to get food, to drink water, that makes women have menstral cycles, that reproduce your cells, that pump the blood thru your veins.

It's the mating instinct. It's no "system" or "theory" It's proven FACT of LIFE.

It's within you. Within me. Even, amazingly, within Edge and the others on here. It's within all the females you know. It's within your parents. EVERYBODY.


This is HOW your mind works. Your unconscious - subconscious cannot communicate with you in words like you consciously recognize. This is FACT. Ask ANYBODY - outside this board, that is. Call up your local shrink and ask them if this is a "system". It's HOW your mind works.

Because it cannot speak to you in ways you consciously comprehend, your conscious brain has no alternative because it's conscious brain, but to use conscious labels and attributes BASED on everything you've ever experienced, to be able to feed it to your thinking mind so you'll understand it.

It does this thru the use of symbols. Natural urges that your conscious brain has to decode for you. HOW you decode that information is based on all you've experienced. If you've built up faulty belief structures, then this is the foundation from which you'll respond until you change that behavior thru self awareness.

When it's time for you to mate, you get those urges from your subconscious mind. Once it's filtered thru the conscious brain, aint no telling how you decoded. commonly it's "gotta get laid". By the same token, your unconscious mind recognizes the right mate for you at any given point in your life...and it tells you this by sending you a sexual attraction to another person.

HOW you decode that information is based entirely on your belief structures. If that's flawed and f*cked up, SO TOO WILL BE YOUR UNIONS.

It's that simple. It's not a "system".

.....And...thank you, for discussing it with me. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif



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[Ron Juan]

I read the first third of your post and though "this kid is ****in CRAZY" and then I scrolled and realized how huge it was. So I can't really comment on what you said.

All I want to say is you have taken WAY too many philosophy classes or whatever the hell you wanna call it. I don't understand why you have to ANALyze it so much

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[whatsupwiddat]

These posts are too damn long.

I'm just going to agree with with everyone here.

[Heart Of Stone]

This is actually a very informative post.

The only problem is that it's posted by a female. If it was posted by a different DJ (not to mention any names) some of these guys would be praising the hell out of it and saying this should be put in the "BIBLE".

Put your ego's aside and try to understand what she's telling you. You might actually learn something that would save you guys a lot of wasted time and frustration.

[dorian_gray-from.usa]

Originally posted by destini:
WHY do yall insist on referring to this as a "system"?

It's HOW you operate. This isn't something I made up here. This comes straight from science.


[This message has been edited by destini (edited 12-09-2002).]

This was an interesting post.

You are the 'female' Rollo May.

Others haved spoken about this in a persons
"imagaigo".

Basiclly we look for the women in our life that are like the one that origionally hurt
us. This allows us to confront the problems
that we buried because of wacky families
or adverse situtions.


The bottem line is this process is started
we take action, be charming fake it for 10 minutes, get her number and...

Get dates, when she stops wanting to see us
in person, alone the 'relationship' is dead.


This is what changes your life.


Your post was like a thesis on how a gas turbine engine works.

I make it work by adjusting the throttle, it
works.


But I don't carry a diagram explaining the mechinical science of the compressor blades and the hydralics around tho.

Or how the chemistry of love works.


!!!!!!! Get involved, take a chance.!!!!!!!

That it!

Does she return your self-less love?
If not then move one...

I used that simple tip about faking it over
16 months ago and had a 14 month adult relationship [my first]come out of it.

With a 22 yr old http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif. I'm 28. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

This week-end I finished a con-current relationship with a 20 yr old woman who second time asked me to stay with her in NYC for the xmas and new years celebation...


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[Donjuanpablo]

Very good post and interesting thread though I'm still a bit confused how to manage something that is very much confined to the subconciousness.

[ShortTimer]

Originally posted by destini:
WHY do yall insist on referring to this as a "system"?
It's HOW you operate. This isn't something I made up here. This comes straight from science.

Because it IS a system. THAT is what science is, a system to explain the world around us. All scientific knowledge is tentative until a better explanation is put forward. YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTOOD THINGS AS WELL AS YOU THINK YOU DO.

It's so painfully obvious that you don't understand. You've bought into this pop-psychology bullsh!t for whatever reason. Carl Jung's ideas about archtypes are BAD SCIENCE for the simple fact that it cannot be falsified. This is why Freud’s ideas fail as well. If you understood how the philosophy of science worked you’d easily see this. But you don’t because you were brought up in the bullsh!t department of pop-psychology in college. Go back to college, take some critical thinking courses and learn how real science works before you go spouting crap in front of people who know better.

You are doing the same thing as both of them. You take abstract concepts and force them onto the world around you. I can pull ANYTHING out of my ass and make it abstract enough so it seems believable. Your SYSTEM is set up in this way -- IF YOU LOOK FOR A PATTERN, ANY PATTERN, HARD ENOUGH YOU WILL FIND IT.

That's how numerology works, that how astrology works, that's why there are nut jobs who think the NASA moon landing was faked.

Did you know that every time I shave my face it rains? OH MY FUKKING GOD, IT MEANS I'VE FOUND THIS FACT THAT I CAN MAKE IT RAIN BY SHAVING. HOLY **** I'M GOING TO MAKE A WEBSITE CALLED "www.howtoseducerain.com"

[SlyDonJuan]

Destini,

I can see that you're trying too hard to convince us to listen to you.

Well, tell me now why should we listen to a female's advice ? We can get female advice from our mothers,sisters,cousins and etc

And to tell you frankly, what my relatives have advised me is totally crap. My mom taught me how to be an AFC right away from the beginning and I kept on following what she said until I came to this site.

If female's advice is that reliable, then guys will not come to this site asking for help and etc. Most of the time, I have been following female's advice and get burned badly. Now destini, you tell me why should I listen to you since I have been hearing craps from girls all time and what makes you think your advice is different from them?

If you can give me good reasons and support your own views, then I will take your advice and follow them strictly.

[destini]

s.timer


&gt;&gt;&gt;WHY do yall insist on referring to this as a "system"?

Because it IS a system. THAT is what science is, a system to explain the world around us.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Okay, DUH. I was addressing it in the context of which these people keep referring to it, like a "program" or a "system" (make money fact "system" a grow your wealth "system".

I KNOW it's a science and that it's a system in that respect and this is what I've repeatedly pointed out.

&gt;&gt;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTOOD THINGS AS WELL AS YOU THINK YOU DO.&lt;&lt;&lt;
I DO understand it. Yall don't and you apparently failed to comprehend it, even "thinking critically" - which I think you also take entirely out of its correct context.

When I present this information I am pointing out that ALL life - whether you personally can stretch your mind around it is IRRELEVANT - boils down to one common denominator at its very core. The activ/masculine passive/feminine polarity. and, again, you cannot at all point to one single thing on this entire planet or off of it that does not at its absolute base follow this polarity. No matter how hard you may try, you cannot. ALL life, all that exists follows this polarity. I cant help it you dont get it but that doesnt change a damn thing.

THEN we have a bunch of high schoolers and other guys who bought into the SS nonsense and instead of doing the intelligent thing and dissecting SS just a little to see if its grounded in reality, they unanimously make a flawed assumption that what I am pointing out comes from some kinda "self help system" and try to make it "fit" with SS, instead of the opposite - determining if SS FITS with reality.

It's like you all have taken the SS concept as gospel and anything else pointed out you try to fit it into your SS paradigm, to see if it "fits". How does it "apply" to your beliefs in SS.

Has nothing to do with SS. It's HOW you operate. SS - if it was even remotely legitimate WOULD ALSO BE BASED on this I pointed out to you. The reason it doesnt fit is because SS is entirely based on superficial ideas it swiped from legitimate sciences and applications and twisted it around without even providing a semblance of cohesion and basically tells you you can "create states" in people and bend them to your will to get your d*ck sucked.

REALITY, based on FACT, is that you cannot do any such thing UNLESS the other party is already receptive to you to begin with. And if they ARE, you don't NEED "manipulation". You jest need to not make a dipsh*t outta yourself until you and they mutually agree to something.
POINT? If SS was based on "real human nature" SS would tell you this because the person who dreamed it up would KNOW this as a fact of human nature.

Its like if I told you cars need chocolagte milk to operate. If I painted you a pretty picture and created a state for your desperation on not getting laid to have a BALANCE OF POLARITY of being fulfilled and laid, YOU'RE GONNA BE RECEPTIVE to it and buy this car that runs on chocolate milk.

Eventually somebody comes along and says hey, wrong, cars operate with gasoline, not chocolate milk, how absurd, you all - instead of dissecting your "system" try to see how "gasoline" might fit your predetermined ideas of chocolate milk flow.

YOU are the one who got scammed. All I was doing was pointing you inthe right direction. IF someone's physically attracted to you at all, they'll f*ck you. Plain and simple. They're already receptive to you and the idea of it, so anything you say to "create" a state of receptivity is just you wasting time cause it's already there.

If they are NOT physically attracted to you, they will NOT BE RECEPTIVE to f*cking you for any reason, therefore you can talk about all the trnce sh*t you can think up but it wont' change anything.

IF and when you get laid, you are getting laid REGARDLESS of anything you thought SS did for you. You got laid IN SPITE of it, not BECAUSE of it. And if YOU understood one shred of factual reality about human nature and WHY we mate at all, you'd know this.


&gt;&gt; You've bought into this pop-psychology bullsh!t &lt;&lt;&lt;

Heheh...pop psychology? How f*ckin old are you anyway? Jung's research is classic, traditional psychology. How to score with chicks by brainwashing them is POP psychology, which is worth its weight in therapy bills you pay after you figure out it was BS all along.

&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl Jung's ideas about archtypes are BAD SCIENCE for the simple fact that it cannot be falsified. This is why Freud’s ideas fail as well.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Ideas? Heh. WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY CAME FROM? You honestly believe that the only mental processes you posses are fully conscious and that you already "know all"?

&gt;&gt;&gt; If you understood how the philosophy of science worked you’d easily see this.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Oh gee...now this is indeed amusing. The philosophies of science originate with 3 burning questions posed BY MAN - because he KNEW he didn't know sh*t:

1. WHY are we here?
2. HOW do we work?
3. WHAT is the connection?

And in asking these questions (that what, where do ideas come from? UNCONSCIOUS and are filtered thru your conscious brain: i.e. AGAIN M/F POLARITY IN PLACE...when asking these questions, the roots from when we have all these diverse studies are all one in the same - ALL originate with that core question.

ALL of the sciences exist because they ALL have their root in the SAME QUESTION. From there, attribute studies sprang off and became "specialized" - but all of them are still examining and learning the same thing for the same reason. WHY we are here, HOW we work, and WHAT interconnects it.

And if you didn't learn that in school, you learned nothing.


&gt;&gt;&gt;But you don’t because you were brought up in the bullsh!t department of pop-psychology in college.&lt;&lt;&lt;


How the f*ck do you know how I was brought up? and they don't teach "pop psychology" in college, bonehead, unless its a discussion of these neuvo philosphies like SS that claim to be based on scientific FACt but are NOT.


&gt;&gt;&gt; Go back to college, take some critical thinking courses and learn how real science works before you go spouting crap in front of people who know better.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


Has nothing to do with college psych class, honey. It's fact of life, LOOK AROUND YOU. I think you were so clueless you really do believe "critical thinking" means critisize everything, whether you know what the f*ck they're talking aboutor not, just be critical.

If, however, you followed it in a rational manner, you would walk away from SS seeing clearly how it's BS. Oh, I guess your "critical thinking" fantasies stop short of dissecting something that balances out your desperation. Gee, polarity, again.

Imagine that.

&gt;&gt;&gt;You are doing the same thing as both of them. You take abstract concepts and force them onto the world around you.&lt;&lt;&lt;

Force is an abstract concept? Ohkay. I'll bite. You run out into traffic and let a bus plow your a$$ over. Then come back in here and tell me again about force being an abstract concept.

&gt;&gt;&gt; I can pull ANYTHING out of my ass and make it abstract enough so it seems believable. &lt;&lt;&lt;

Go ahead. I dare ya.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Your SYSTEM is set up in this way -- IF YOU LOOK FOR A PATTERN, ANY PATTERN, HARD ENOUGH YOU WILL FIND IT.&lt;&lt;&lt;


That's just you being a supremely inept and blind individual. You got it completely backwards. It's the patterns are recognized and then you attempt to understand: WHY it's there, HOW it forms, and WHAT connects it.

Basis of all science. Else, "why bother?"


&gt;&gt;&gt;That's how numerology works, that how astrology works, that's why there are nut jobs who think the NASA moon landing was faked.&lt;&lt;&lt;


1. NOT how numerology works at all.
2. NOT how astrology works at all.
3. Has nothing to do with anything whatsoever and doesn't even apply.


&gt;&gt;&gt;Did you know that every time I shave my face it rains? OH MY FUKKING GOD, IT MEANS I'VE FOUND THIS FACT THAT I CAN MAKE IT RAIN BY SHAVING. HOLY **** I'M GOING TO MAKE A WEBSITE CALLED "www.howtoseducerain.com"&lt;&lt;&lt;


Maybe it was just God crying that you missed your throat again...

Grow up. Learn something.


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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Destini,
I can see that you're trying too hard to convince us to listen to you.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

No, I'm indulging in the discussion and the banter. I already know who's gonna listen and who isn't. That's all I need to know. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

&gt;&gt;&gt;Well, tell me now why should we listen to a female's advice ? We can get female advice from our mothers,sisters,cousins and etc&lt;&lt;&lt;

If your car stopped running, who would you take it to, a car salesman or a mechanic?

If you said salesman, then I'm sorry for you in your life.

IF you said mechanic, what kinda mechanic...a car mechanic, who by his very qualifications might know about cars, or would you take it to a lawnmower mechanic?

&gt;&gt;&gt;And to tell you frankly, what my relatives have advised me is totally crap. My mom taught me how to be an AFC right away from the beginning and I kept on following what she said until I came to this site.&lt;&lt;&lt;


Maybe you missed her point. I'm sure she was trying to instill innto you common sense, trating people with courtesy, respect, having some self respect and just being real with people. If you werent having relationships the way you wanted them it was ONLY because YOU were too insecure and had too many misperceptions that YOU let stand in your way and you blocked your own self from scoring.

What you are doing here is missing the glaringly obvious:

You = insecure, no confidence, clueless
ergo, YOU fail to engage in situations that provide you the opportunity at all, and when ya did, youre anxieties made you f*ck it up and lose out.

So here comes some nimrod who says do this and do that because its what chicks want, and you can try this and it'll alter their minds so they'll WANT you. You, of course, who is drowning in your inferiority complex, desperately reach for it and psyche yourself up that you really have some magic formula guaranteed to work...BUT you STILL have to follow thru on a situation in order to "use it. Duh, right.

But because you have deluded yourself into thinking you're "armed" with a sure fire trick, you feel better, more empowered, and that makes you think the "confidence tricks" have worked. So You GO OUT THERE THIS TIME and ---------

here's the part you miss all over the place. -----------

you see a female youre attracted to. NOW you can smile or say hi or use a pick up line or strut around...you've PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE is ALL you did. IF she was attracted to you physically AT ALL, she's already receptive and BECAUSE YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE, by the fact you did, you MAKE IT EASIER FOR WOMEN ALREADY ATTRACTED TO YOU TO RESPOND.

So they respond, based on the sole fact they found you physically attractive, and you 'score'. YOU WRONGLY assume that the mind tricks worked...and then you're psyched even more, thinking not only do they work, but now you have suddenly gained confidence!

woohoo!!! It works it works!

And the MORE YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE, THE MORE YOU SCORE, the more you think SS is a gift from God.

So there ya go..."come and ride and penetrate and hard" and she giggles and YOU think she's being "tranced" into desire, and SHE KNOWS you're just FLIRTING and it makes a nice chemistry and she ups some. ONLY BECAUSE she was already attracted to you.


Then comes the girl who never realized she was attracted to you UNTIL YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE...then she NOTICED YOU enough to make a determination on whether she found you, by the fact you exist, physically attractive.

IF she does, see above.

IF she does not, you won't get her panties off short of raping her. She will be unphased by anything you do and the more you try, the more she resists because SHE IS FUNDAMENTALLY unattracted to you.

It works EXACTLY the same way, for EXACTLY the same reasons for men, looking at women. You KNOW, if you're honest with yourself there are women you do NOT FIND FUNDAMENTALLY ATTRACTIVE and because of it, you KNOW you'd never f*ck them regardless of anything they did.

THIS is what SS FAILS to clue you into. You'd have gotten laid anyway, regardless of conversations, if you'd have just allowed yourself a little bit of balls - that's ALL you ever needed. And you can get those for free.

You got two right now you aint using.

&gt;&gt;&gt;If female's advice is that reliable, then guys will not come to this site asking for help and etc. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Wrong. The reason sites like this are even in existence is BECAUSE SS FAILED YOU - it made a claim it couldn't fully back up. It didn't tell you how to handle yourself when the SS BS fails you, so you come here to ask "other players" how they figured it out. Most of them didn't figure anything out, but continue to push the Ss mentality, dude, just trance her...hey man, procees her, calibrate this and rapport that, NONE OF WHOM even understand what they're babbling off to begin with or WHY and in WHAT situations its even applicable.

You are here BECAUSE SS is BS.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Most of the time, I have been following female's advice and get burned badly.&lt;&lt;&lt;

The ultimate accountability lies with you. YOU were the one who had to implement it and considering your clingon mentality to disregard female advice because its female, my guess is that you took that advice and tried to apply your own male "assumptions" to it and it backfired. And since none of your egos seem to be able to handle being wrong, you not surprisingly blame the messenger instead of the involved.


Did you also take into consideration the age, life experience, maturity level and view points of the female you asked?

&gt;&gt;&gt; Now destini, you tell me why should I listen to you since I have been hearing craps from girls all time and what makes you think your advice is different from them?&lt;&lt;&lt;


You do what you want. The reality check is there for those who wanna cash it. I have nothing to lose nor gain from trying to pointout to you that youre all going about sh*t from a flawed misperception and anything you do to build on it will ultimately fail.

You either have the confidence and intelligence to examine - in light of straight common sense - the claims of the miracle drug you've choked down in desperation, or you don't. YOU are the only one who'll suffer for it in the end. Not me.



&gt;&gt;&gt;If you can give me good reasons and support your own views, then I will take your advice and follow them strictly.&lt;&lt;&lt;


I already have. but because SS has brainwashed you into arrogantly presuming no female could possibly know what she wants, and will always mislead you (cause WHY - did ya ever ASK???) then you are automatically resistant to anything I say.

Ask WHY...in light of straight f*cking COMMON SENSE.

A woman needs a man to mate with, same as you need a woman to mate with. A woman responds to a certain type of male first and foremost, and from that attraction will respond based on her own life experience and perceptions. She knows what she wants. She knows what she doesn't want. She may not be self aware, or very bright, or she might know herself more thoroughly than you could comprehend.

YOU make the assumption women don't know.

A woman has no reason to mislead you whatsoever. It's not some secret chick conspiracy of "feminists" who deliberately lie to you about WHAT WE WANT FROM YOU AND WHAT NOT TO DO THAT GROSSES US OUT OR MAKES YOU REPULSIVE TO US.

It's not in our best interest to feed you fullahs*t when we need you as much as you need us.

And if you can't see that, I truly, deeply, feel for you. You are so brainwashed it aint funny.

So if you ask: I met this chick see, and we hit it off and then I went to kiss her and she wouldn't let me, what gives?

100% of the DJs in here who don't know squat about women will, based on the SS mind control programming, knee jerk a response that: "she's just toying with ya dude, she's trying to take your power, command respect, don't let a chick win!"

That's because you've all bought into the delusion there's some chick conspiracy and we're all about power over you.


When in reality, she probably pulled back because

1. You haven't seen a dentist since you were 6 and the 8 cavaties about mde her lose her lunch

2. your breath is repulsive

3. you smell

4. you said or did something that turned her off and destroyed her attraction

5. the way you led into it probably came off as desperate and awkward, out of synch with the reality betwen you

6. you misread her attention across the board and she was simply having a nice chat but finds you personally, physically repulsive or unattractive


SO.........you follow those guys up there, and you choke on the delusion. And while you're strutting around like an alpha male, home chick has moved on to someone who has a little

PRESENCE OF MIND.

[Marquez]

destini, you already disqualified yourself some days ago, when you decided to ignore Sir_Chancealot's questions in the other thread.

destini says:
I DO understand it. Yall don't and you apparently failed to comprehend it, even "thinking critically" - which I think you also take entirely out of its correct context.

So self proclaimed "DESTINY", you Know-It-All-About-Dynamics-Of-Nature-And-Life, why is so hard for all of us to comprehend your thesis, when it's simply a fact of life? If it's simple life, why are here? After all, we are living creatures and WE ARE LIFE. It should be easy for all of us to comprehend it.

If you don't know the answer, then maybe this can help you: They are hard to comprehend because they are written in an arrogant and know-it-all style, from someone who put herself on a pedestal.

Btw, if you were not so high above everyone else, you would have heard (read) that this site is not about SS.

[destini]

So self proclaimed "DESTINY", you Know-It-All-About-Dynamics-Of-Nature-And-Life, why is so hard for all of us to comprehend your thesis, when it's simply a fact of life? If it's simple life, why are here? After all, we are living creatures and WE ARE LIFE. It should be easy for all of us to comprehend it.

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The reason you can't comprehend it is because you choose not to for not other reason at all thanit was presented by a female.

As for the thread, point me to it. Good reason for no response: 1. I didn't SEE it TO know it was there, or 2. I've explained it already, you just didn't see it yourself, or you disregaded it by the simple fact I have titss.

[Marquez]

here you are: http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/003939.html

[destini]

Thank you.

And when I respond, do you actually intend to read it, and if so, do you intend to read it for the reponse or will it only be so you can carry on with the knee jerk BS that I'm a female so that disqualifies me from knowing what females want?

You either want to hear what Ihave to say or you don't.

I'll respond, but if you can't bring yourself to comprehend it the problem lies with you. Not me. YOU made that choice.

I hav no pwer over you, remember? I'm a chick.

[Marquez]

Some time ago, here I got a link to David Deida's website (www.deida.com). He wrote a book about the female and masculine essence, and the polarities, etc.
I agree to that theory. I agree to your theory, since it's the same. But I DO NOT LIKE YOUR PRESENTATION. You are coming here, shouting: "You are all wrong, I know what's good for you."
But I am not wrong, I already knew what's good for me, before you came here. Probably I knew about the polarity of masculine and feminine essence before you knew something about it.

Further, the knowledge about it DOES NOT HELP. You need to embrace your essence, an that process includes working with your family background, since those dynamics prevented in the first place to live your essence. At least most of the time.

Another way is to just act like your essence (Be a Man!), and eventually you will become a Man. This is also true, and this is the way that this site teaches.

So, after all, the information you give has little value. And my opinion, that your presentation is arrogant and overbearing, has nothing to do with the fact that you are female. You could be a man and also feel / give off the vibe that you are above men. And that is what you do. Trust me.

[Dr. Smooth]

Destini

I think that you make some valid points. However, the fundamental problem is that you fail to offer concrete advice that empowers usto control our own "destini". You seem to present a scenario of "attraction" that relies on a passive concept of inanate "attraction" between the sexes. Most of us are here because we are no longer willing to wait to be "selected" by the women who happens to mesh with our "AI". Most of us are here because we are looking for tools to control the circumstances of our own lives with respect to women, and get the women that WE are attracted to.

The paradigm that you offer puports to give us an "understanding" of women. However, I for one, have a more ultilitarian outlook when it comes to my pursuit of women. I am really not interested in "understanding" women for its own sake. I am only interested in "understanding" women to the extent that it aids me in achieving my objectives. I try not to worry about things that are beyond my control.

As far a SS goes, I am not a proponent. But you unfairly tend to lump all of the advice given on this board in the category of SS. There is a lot of good advice on this board. The advice, when measured by outcomes, does work.

I do feel that you have some valid points. I think that they would be better recieved, however, if you gear your advice towards pragmatic advice to help us achieve outcomes, rather than "understanding"

[destini]

Further, the knowledge about it DOES NOT HELP

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This is where you are soooo unaware here. KNOWING this and comprehending it, gives you more power than you ever possibly thought you could have...but unless and until you learn a little something of the fundamental background, it's wasted knowledge.


This IS your golden key to unlocking every single thing you ever wanted in life and another human being. This key, when I tell you "this is the secret to life" is not a damn metaphor. I mean it absolutely LITERALLY.

Knowing and comprehending is one thing, but you have to also be willing to think ahead, expand your horizons here and think outside the box at HOW knowing that little bit of information on basic human polarity is your "secret" key to *creating* the life that you want as well as with the one woman - which is what, ultimately you're ALL in search of, that one woman who is your The One.

I cannot show you anything you aren't willing to see. It's that simple, and it wouldn't matter whether I was an arrogant castrating bytch or a sweet little dingbat, if YOU are not truly willing to look, you won't recognize it even when it slams you in the face out there in your own lives where I'm nowhere to be found.


That dynamic is crystal clear thru every response. I haven't "argued" and "debated". I have put that information, freely, in every post. I didn't do anything but put it in the thread. I already knew, because I KNOW THIS AND WORK WITH IT, that some would get it and others wouldn't no matter what I did.

I showed this to you plain as day. If someone is not attracted to something, they are RESISTANT and you will never change it no matter what you do. This dialogue between me and all you people obviously isn't about me trying to score with you and you trying to score with me.

It's an IDEA to you. You have perceptions that will prevent you from receptivity, or that will allow it. The ones who will never hear this don't even read this thread...they don't read anything I have said.

The ones who read it? You are attracted to it, regardless of what your conscious notions are...and you will accept what I say based only on your own paradigm.

Meaning, as I have been saying all over, you cannot "manipulate" other people who are fundamentally resistant to you, no matter what you do. Those people who have kept this dialogue/banter going, that are engaging in the exchange are receptive. The ONLY one who can change or alter your mind IS YOU.And there's not an NLP cue on the planet that can change it.

IF they're already receptive to you, then you can work it out your a$$. YOUR agendas, tho, arespecifically designed to "getting laid".

You want pragmatic? Here ya go.

If you can get your egos outta your way long enough to comprehend WHY YOU are attracted and sexually compelled, and why you are not, you can ALSO understand why other people are - or not - attracted/compelled to YOU.

As it regards your "agendas" knowing this and working with it, you can walk into a room and without doing stupid useless sh*t already know who is attracted to you AND WHY, and who is sexually compelled to you AND WHY, even if they're clueless. When they say, "oh I love confident guys" you can smile and nod, but you'll KNOW confidence had nothing to do with it.

Knowing this will ALSO - which oughtta be really obvious for your agendas here - allow you to cultivate - not manipulate - sexual compulsion, which is what you want some girl to feel. And you can stop wasting time agonizing over sh*t and start proactively KNOWING what's up under your nose the whole time.

KNOWING THIS will hand deliver all the confidence you can choke down.


Get the fundamentals down, absorb them, and it should be glaringly obvious how to use it to your best advantage and ferret out that one woman you have always wanted.

And you aren't doing it from desperation and parlor tricks that's all hit and miss. Now it's calculated, deliberate design.

[anakin]

Destini,

I have sped read through a lot of your work, and will come back to this once I get a good chance. It is very, VERY interesting...

On first impressions your the ideas you communicate do actually back up the Don Juan philosophy in how to be a man. What you say may actually complement this site (barring the SS part) I will pick up on this at some future point, though I have only had a quick read through your posts.

Whether its right or completely off the mark, a lot of this is new to me, so at least you have provided some food for thought. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Right now, I have enough food to chew over, its 3.30am...MUST...sleep.


ANAKIN