Meaning does a guy with money, a hot car, in good shape, is a daredevil in his free time, busy social life, sweet bachelor pad (that sounds so 70s), well traveled, all kinds of social proof, even HAVE to know how to talk to women? Does it depend if he just wants to date and have fun or if he wants a LTR? I'm not talking about being completely clueless socially like that Sodini guy. He had issues with how to fit in socially at all, not just with women. But does a guy with the value I described above need to know about c&f, when to use kino, neg hits etc? Will women just naturally be receptive to him, and overlook any rough edges with his gaming skills?

A lot of this board seems to give the message "realize your potential, accomplish things, live life to the fullest, and your sex life with take care of itself". Doesn't that sound like gaming techniques are secondary, if needed at all?

If you did have all those things (busy social life, car, money, life experience etc.), chances are you'd know how to talk to women. If nothing else, you'd be oozing confidence.

But you're right, some people don't need game to get laid by hot chicks. There are some guys with tons of money that will attract babes without having to do a thing. There are also some guys who are so good looking that chicks aggressively pursue them. To these guys, picking up chicks consists of sitting around at a bar.

Think of a very intelligent student who does very little work and a less intelligent student who works extremely hard. The less intelligent student can still earn better grades because he works for it. Game can be an equalizer like that.

If you had all of these things, you'd have winner, class, superstar, and sexy written all over you and you really wouldn't have to know how to talk to women. You could do basic-ass AFC moves and still get the girl.

Also, If you had a busy social circle and were well traveled and had lots of social proof, you'd already know how to talk to women!

BTW your sex life will only take care of itself if you have fame and fortune Look at Seal and Patrick Ewing and Marko Jaric and Nick Cannon!

If a girl won't give you a chance, no amount of game and personality will help.

It's possible to consume your whole life worrying about game and saying this versus that and all of this stuff, but that presupposes that getting laid must be hard and that you need to do something special to get laid. What I learned the hard way is I didn't need to do much to get laid, and there is a point of diminishing return. In fact, going overboard actually gave me far worse results.

Yes, I would expend more energy into things I am interested in and basically zero energy into worrying about crap like "game". Then all you have to do is get a bunch of women to come over so you can have sex with them. Sometimes I actually told them I wanted to have sex with them and got into some details, but most of the time I used to just invite them over for dinner or to watch a movie and let it happen. It just depends on the situation and person and what led up to the invite. Nowdays it is a little trickier because I have to get them to a hotel, back road where noone will bother us, or to their place but since they are married or have a bf (I don't do single chicks) this isn't always possible.

there are different levels to "the game" and one of the nicest feelings is when you get to the level where you realize you don't need "game", it just is what it is and all these women want to fvck you and that's that. No amount of hating from bitter guys, no amount of scare tatics from gurus desperate to get your money, and so on can get you down.