Today was a weird day. I work for state government doing welfare benefits and today state law enforcement officials arrived and arrested a supervisor. This supervisor is a woman who was briefly my supervisor, was my cubicle neighbor for a full year when she was a senior worker, and was the one person who beat me to the senior worker position. I have known her for about two 1/2 years.

She is around her 40's, married, with a few teenagers, at least one of whom is always getting into trouble. Dealing with family life is stressful enough but as she moved up the bureaucratic heirarchy I witnessed each promotion was adding stress upon stress. She was arrested for welfare fraud and is likely facing a third degree felony.

There have been a number of threads about the amorality of women and the misplaced intentions of careerism viz a viz feminism. I think this illustrates both. Assuming for a good moment she is guilty, since the state doesn't arrest its own employees unless they have the goods, she was compelled to commit fraud because "You gotta do what you gotta do." She was financially strained and extremely stressed. The last time I spoke to her she blew up over a mistake I made five months ago which I practically never make (to my knowledge). Since she knows all the in's and out's of the system, has supervisory access, she figured she wouldn't get caught and needed to augment her financial management. She was as "honest" and "ethical" and "vigilant to the truth" and "good natured" as they come.

There is the off-chance she is innocent but my wager is on I will never see her ever again.             

"my wager is on I will never see her ever again."

I have a feeling you will turn out to be right about that.

Still if she is in any way attractive she'll probably end up with a slap on the wrist via light sentence.

KontrollerX said:

Still if she is in any way attractive she'll probably end up with a slap on the wrist via light sentence.

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Does this really happen that often?

I tend to treat good looking girls worse.

I even tip them less.

I assume it balances things out. I tip ugly waitresses more.

Yeah, i'm weird.

"Does this really happen that often?"

I'm reasonably sure the system is biased in favor of attractive women.

For example if Casey Anthony is found guilty in her upcoming trial I bet they won't give her the death penalty or life in prison.

I'm guessing they'll give her a 15 year sentence that will be reduced probably to 8 or 10 years with good behavior.

I'd be really surprised if the justice system fries her or lets her rot for long.

Rogue said:

 She was as "honest" and "ethical" and "vigilant to the truth" and "good natured" as they come.

    

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Apparently not.

A good example of why our preceptions are not reality.

male or female its just bad thinking.

I have a friend who has that whole "hustler, get over on people" mentality. But he never succeeds at any of his schemes. Why? He doesn't think them through to their logical conclusion. If he took an hour or two to think them through he would see where his scams would get him caught eventually. He ****s where he eats on them. When you pull scams, you need to do them somewhere away from your home base and away from the people who really know you. This is why most criminals fail. Failure to plan correctly. Of course if they were so good at planning they wouldn't need to be criminals in the first place.

Dude...what are you some amateur Psy. Major?

You don't know C~@p about why people make decisions.

People make decisions based on the information they have at hand at the moment. Sometimes they turn out to be good ones...sometimes bad. Some are obviously bad from the start (drugs, bad relationships, etc).

Some decisions turn out to be good ones....but there are no guarantees in life.

Lol..."Needs....What does that mean?"

radiodude said:

Actually, a classic case of people who make conscious poor decisions in life based on perceived NEEDS. Happens to both male and female.

Smart, good natured, honest people don't often get to the point where they need to resort to this because they make better choices. I'll bet if you looked harder at this woman you'd see numerous values issues that would be a glaring red flag.

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Update: she is facing public assistance fraud charges pertaining to housing and daycare fraud. She reportedly defrauded $40k over two years and reportedly has confessed, according to the local news. She's done. Her husband is also a coworker and I can only imagine I will never see him again, either.

And no, she's a large lady. She's not going to get any sympathy on the basis of her "attractiveness;" if anything, any leniency will be based upon the confession.

There have been a number of threads about the amorality of women and the misplaced intentions of careerism viz a viz feminism. I think this illustrates both. Assuming for a good moment she is guilty, since the state doesn't arrest its own employees unless they have the goods, she was compelled to commit fraud because "You gotta do what you gotta do."

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Why exactly are you associating this kind of thing with gender ? I can assume, by the name of the topic, that you think that this kind of stuff is a trait of females in general ?

SXS said:

Why exactly are you associating this kind of thing with gender ? I can assume, by the name of the topic, that you think that this kind of stuff is a trait of females in general ?

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Exactly.

The tide is turning here at SS, in favor of real logic, thank goodness.

Rogue said:

She was as "honest" and "ethical" and "vigilant to the truth" and "good natured" as they come.

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My guess is that people didn't know her true self really well because she hid it well, just like they didn't know the true nature of that stupid mother who drove on the wrong side of the highway that killed 8 people including herself.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wrong_way_crash

GARDEN CITY, N.Y. – A mother drank vodka and smoked marijuana while taking a vanload of children home from a weekend camping trip that ended in disaster when she went the wrong way on a highway and crashed into an SUV, killing eight people, police said Tuesday.

Diane Schuler, who died along with her 2-year-old daughter and three nieces in her red minivan, had more than 10 drinks of alcohol in her system and a high level of the main ingredient in marijuana, authorities said. A broken 1.75-liter bottle of Absolut vodka was found in her wrecked minivan, police said.

The revelations from the 36-year-old Long Island woman's autopsy helped explain how the woman her family called "an accomplished working mother who always put her children before any other priorities" wound up driving the wrong way for nearly two miles on a suburban parkway before slamming into the SUV..

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"Why exactly are you associating this kind of thing with gender ? I can assume, by the name of the topic, that you think that this kind of stuff is a trait of females in general ?"

Amorality is a trait of a majority of females.

Rogue's topic serves as an observation and study of just one such woman.

And of course there are going to be broad generalizations on a forum such as this since this is a forum about broads. :rock:

"You don't have to dig very deep to find this kind of behavior among men AND women."

This is a forum for discussing women.

Its not about discussing the failings of men whatever they may be.

Striving to talk about both sides of the fence in the interest of fairness is just a slowdown and waste of time on our forum.

There are plenty of other online mediums to do just that.

Besides all of that the rest of society with its Dr. Phil and Oprah shows are biased against men anyway so why should we add to that anti man slant even in a fair minded discussion about men's failings?

Its pointless prattling.

We're here to talk about women and how to dominate them.

Period.

No offense bro but thats the way I see this site anyway.

KontrollerX said:

"Does this really happen that often?"

I'm reasonably sure the system is biased in favor of attractive women.

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Sure, but I just don't see it as THAT biased. Women in general get lighter sentences whether they're attractive or not.

It's not they give these women probation instead of the death penalty.

iqqi said:

Exactly.

The tide is turning here at SS, in favor of real logic, thank goodness.

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People tend to think tending to "their side" is logical. Most people's logical statements are biased. The only way you know you are truly neutral is if both sides bash you.


This is a good legal question / issue. I like to look at the world as and its biases as predominatly male or female in their thinking. The "gotta do what you gotta do" is a predomantly female line of thinking, as much as using landmarks to give directions is innately female. Anything from directions to law to food preferences can be seen through this filter.

A man is totally capable of doing the exact same thing, but he is more likely to carry on without a clear consious, where a woman has an amazing ability to rationalize and think they are in the right, all the while stealing money. I think that's where the difference lies in the sexes, where a woman thinks she's in the right and otherwise entitled. A man will know he's doing wrong.

Amorality is a trait of a majority of females.

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And not the majority of men ?

I would like to know what you understand for "amorality" and "majority" to make this kind of afirmation.

but of course, here is the place for this kind of stuff. But at least you are admiting bias, thing that most here won't, but anyone could very well change the world "female" for "people". Would sound a lot better.

Its pointless prattling

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All the rest isn't also ?

We're here to talk about women and how to dominate them

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LOL.

scrouds said:

This is a good legal question / issue. I like to look at the world as and its biases as predominately male or female in their thinking. The "gotta do what you gotta do" is a predomantly female line of thinking, as much as using landmarks to give directions is innately female. Anything from directions to law to food preferences can be seen through this filter.

A man is totally capable of doing the exact same thing, but he is more likely to carry on without a clear consious, where a woman has an amazing ability to rationalize and think they are in the right, all the while stealing money. I think that's where the difference lies in the sexes, where a woman thinks she's in the right and otherwise entitled. A man will know he's doing wrong.

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You are the only person in this thread who has grasped the subject. Good job!

scrouds said:

I think that's where the difference lies in the sexes, where a woman thinks she's in the right and otherwise entitled. A man will know he's doing wrong.

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I agree with your premise but not your reason. Women are simply better at social deception. Men suck at it, and are consequently more afraid of getting caught.


If men would learn to lie as well as women there would be no need for this forum.

Claiming morality is really a collective self deception to cover up poor game.

Some evolutionary psychologists have argued that the whole driving force behind our rapidly increased brain size was a need for deception, both of self and others, during the 300,000 pre-agricultural period.

This is a good legal question / issue. I like to look at the world as and its biases as predominately male or female in their thinking. The "gotta do what you gotta do" is a predomantly female line of thinking, as much as using landmarks to give directions is innately female. Anything from directions to law to food preferences can be seen through this filter.

A man is totally capable of doing the exact same thing, but he is more likely to carry on without a clear consious, where a woman has an amazing ability to rationalize and think they are in the right, all the while stealing money. I think that's where the difference lies in the sexes, where a woman thinks she's in the right and otherwise entitled. A man will know he's doing wrong.

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So, in other words basicly is more important for you is a "self justification" for an act, then the action itself ?
Again, certainly, when you say "a woman", you certainly are talking about a small % of woman within your cultural background, probably, american *****es in the case of the topic. For example, a turkish man who kills his sister in a honor killing because she done something outside of their acepted boundaries would of course think of himself as doing the right thing, not something wrong.

Hey guys. I came back to post something about one of my girls. I only have one now.

My main girl, she tells me how her best friend was getting a ton of financial aid by lying on all of her forms. She tells me how this girl is basicallly worthless, lives off her husband who she hates, steals, lies and cheats. Then she tells me how she snitched her friend out and she lost her finacial aid and they government wants past money paid back. This is her best friend of 12 years.

I asked her why she did this and her first response was "she doesn't need it, I can't even get financial aid and I need it more than her"

I asked her how is that going to help her get what she needs. Of course she had no response. She then went on to trash her friend. So I asked her, why is she even friends with this person if she's so terrible. Again no response.

I told her, that I saw her in a new light and I wasn't sure that I could be with someone who treated their best friend that way. If she does this to her best friend, how would she treat me? She promised profusely that she would never be that way to me, she adores me. (Ya, I'm not falling for that). She told me how bad she felt about it. She didn't feel bad when she was telling me, only when I didn't cosign on it and called her on it.
This is the point. If I would have cosigned that, she would have felt smug and self satisfied.

She begged me not to be mad at her, sucked my diick and left to go to work. She asked me was I still mad at her, I told her I wasn't mad, I was disappointed and that I needed to take some time to think about where things were going between us. She's been blowing up my text all evening, but honestly it's over. That's just some scandalous behavior that cannot be tolerated. I'm gonna fade her out easy.