MatureDJ
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Feminist blogger says that nice guys do succeed better (esp. nerds)
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"Guys who feel real narcissism, detachment to women and some sociopathic tendencies can afford exclusive reliance on dark triad traits when enticing women, but for an ordinary man, the purpose of entering a relationship with a woman centers on love."
Her basic assumption to start with isn't even true so there's no point in analyzing the rest.
Seriously, who in the seduction community (god that term sounds stupid) is recommending being an assh0le? Maybe for a one night pickup or something like that, but when did people start recommend against being a nice guy? You can be both a masculine man with his crap together and be nice to people. I can't say i keep up with these various authors.
Her basic assumption to start with isn't even true so there's no point in analyzing the rest.
Seriously, who in the seduction community (god that term sounds stupid) is recommending being an assh0le? Maybe for a one night pickup or something like that, but when did people start recommend against being a nice guy? You can be both a masculine man with his crap together and be nice to people. I can't say i keep up with these various authors.
Unbridled_Phoenix
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A rational description of the attraction process? From a woman? I took this one with a dump truck full of grains of salt, but some of it sounds alright. Except for the part about analyzing and trying to fix her problems, NO WAY BOYS.
prairiedog24
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Well, this is exactly the way I behave naturally, and I have no limit of very attractive female friends. It's keeping them interested in more than friend-ness that's tough.
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Well from real life observations, the arseholes who do nothing nice for women get them way more than the good guys, even if the latter have good game and do get their decent share of pvssies.
Hands up which one of you good guys have had hundreds of women writing you love letters? No one? Hah, serial killers and even that Austrian guy who locked up & fvcked his daughter for 2 decades got you beat easily!
So it begs the question: why bother making the investment of doing nice things for women at all (coz it actually costs a lot of time, effort & money! Those things don't come free, Ms FeministX), when you don't have to?
That chick is totally off her vodka knockers crazy when she suggested that nice guys should try to analyze and help fix women's problems!
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Anyway the real reason she's writing all this is that she's a regular at Roissy's blog and is trying to do something to stop the tide of former nice guys turning bad as they discovered that being "bad" is rewarded by women!
Hands up which one of you good guys have had hundreds of women writing you love letters? No one? Hah, serial killers and even that Austrian guy who locked up & fvcked his daughter for 2 decades got you beat easily!
So it begs the question: why bother making the investment of doing nice things for women at all (coz it actually costs a lot of time, effort & money! Those things don't come free, Ms FeministX), when you don't have to?
That chick is totally off her vodka knockers crazy when she suggested that nice guys should try to analyze and help fix women's problems!
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Anyway the real reason she's writing all this is that she's a regular at Roissy's blog and is trying to do something to stop the tide of former nice guys turning bad as they discovered that being "bad" is rewarded by women!
Sure, "B" grade men DO get women.
They just end up getting cheated on, possibly stuck raising another man's kid, and eventually divorced and taken to the cleaners.
It's called being the "beta provider" type, and I've seen many being herded down the aisle to slaughter.....
They just end up getting cheated on, possibly stuck raising another man's kid, and eventually divorced and taken to the cleaners.
It's called being the "beta provider" type, and I've seen many being herded down the aisle to slaughter.....
The mating game is a lot more complicated than attracting a mate. Once you attract one you need to maintain attraction or there are a plethora of consequences.
The article fails to address a great deal of issues that come up by being a nice person. It's not even being a beta provider type that you need to avoid but that you are always and forever compared to every one of the woman's potential suitors.
You cannot ever afford to take a break from your 'game'. Constantly engineering situations where your 'nerd brain' is the alpha scenario doesn't always work. Try being nerdy while taking your girl sky diving, or to the gun range. I just can't associate nerdiness with certain activities that a girl will be interest in. Men who get complacent quickly find out how much value female words and promises really are
"Always and forever or until I find somebody better"
The article fails to address a great deal of issues that come up by being a nice person. It's not even being a beta provider type that you need to avoid but that you are always and forever compared to every one of the woman's potential suitors.
You cannot ever afford to take a break from your 'game'. Constantly engineering situations where your 'nerd brain' is the alpha scenario doesn't always work. Try being nerdy while taking your girl sky diving, or to the gun range. I just can't associate nerdiness with certain activities that a girl will be interest in. Men who get complacent quickly find out how much value female words and promises really are
"Always and forever or until I find somebody better"
>> The trick is to be nice by showing your prowess at something you excel at. >>
The problem with her post and others like it, is that because of the low barrier to posting a blog, umpteen zillion basically inexperienced people have become self-assumed instant experts because of their one time anecdote, personal inclinations or otherwise limited knowledge of a subject. "Hey, I'm a girl and I had a date with a nice guy! That makes me an expert! Let me give everyone advice based on my three dates!"
The problem with her post and others like it, is that because of the low barrier to posting a blog, umpteen zillion basically inexperienced people have become self-assumed instant experts because of their one time anecdote, personal inclinations or otherwise limited knowledge of a subject. "Hey, I'm a girl and I had a date with a nice guy! That makes me an expert! Let me give everyone advice based on my three dates!"
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Why, as a man, do I have to perform like some kind of court jester to win over a woman?
"Oh, look at me, I can make you an auddddddddio recording of your beauuuutiful voice!"
As a man, all you have to do is:
a) live your life;
b) keep improving yourself mentally, physically, and socially (all three of these are easy to figure out - just do things that take you out of your comfort zone and are challenging);
c) never answer to any woman for who you are; and
d) profit.
Soooo easy!!
"Oh, look at me, I can make you an auddddddddio recording of your beauuuutiful voice!"
As a man, all you have to do is:
a) live your life;
b) keep improving yourself mentally, physically, and socially (all three of these are easy to figure out - just do things that take you out of your comfort zone and are challenging);
c) never answer to any woman for who you are; and
d) profit.
Soooo easy!!
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I'll grant it that the author's intentions were good, and I agree that by creating situations that place you in a position of authority can increase a woman's attraction.
The rest of the advice is dubious, and the entire premise is a straw man argument. No one in the community is advocating "dark triad game." In fact, Mystery's most recent revision of his book seems to stress the importance of a fun, positive personality.
What nerds need to address first and foremost is their poor social calibration and body language. No amount of being nice or skilled at something is going compensate for those deficiencies. MM, RSD, Mehow, etc. are actually great for these guys, because those systems place these things in a anthropological context and break down the correct behavior into formulas. Socialization is thereby "learned," perhaps by rote memorization at first, but (hopefully) eventually by simply allowing naturally masculine behavior to emerge. The good thing about these methods is that they produce significant rewards early on; even a reward as simple as an HB continuing a conversation instead of running away is a significant milestones for a nerd used to creeping out girls.
There are lots of routes to pick up mastery, and being nice works wonders when you are a high value male. This article would be more appropriately directed at such guys--but then, high value males don't need to do much to attract girls. Giving such advice to nerds is essentially telling them not to make any adjustments in their life and just trust that there's a woman out there for them.
The rest of the advice is dubious, and the entire premise is a straw man argument. No one in the community is advocating "dark triad game." In fact, Mystery's most recent revision of his book seems to stress the importance of a fun, positive personality.
What nerds need to address first and foremost is their poor social calibration and body language. No amount of being nice or skilled at something is going compensate for those deficiencies. MM, RSD, Mehow, etc. are actually great for these guys, because those systems place these things in a anthropological context and break down the correct behavior into formulas. Socialization is thereby "learned," perhaps by rote memorization at first, but (hopefully) eventually by simply allowing naturally masculine behavior to emerge. The good thing about these methods is that they produce significant rewards early on; even a reward as simple as an HB continuing a conversation instead of running away is a significant milestones for a nerd used to creeping out girls.
There are lots of routes to pick up mastery, and being nice works wonders when you are a high value male. This article would be more appropriately directed at such guys--but then, high value males don't need to do much to attract girls. Giving such advice to nerds is essentially telling them not to make any adjustments in their life and just trust that there's a woman out there for them.
jophil28
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THat is indeed the point .LeftyLoosey said:
The whole article is predicated on that old female belief (or wish) that men need to "apply" for a date with a woman by jumping though hoops to please her, entertain her or fawn over her as if he were in some kind of audition.
The author ridicules PUA style (nightclub) "game" because she knows that it shifts a lot of psych power over to the guy.
Women liked things the way they were, and this woman is essentially expressing that sentiment by promoting AFC behavior..