It seems that the key determinant in what role a man would play with respect to mating with and provisioning for a woman is based on the relative sexual market value (SMV) of that man in respect to that woman.

There are 3 types of mating & provisioning roles:

cad - hump & dump - impregnantes a woman, but does not remain with her nor want to provision (although child support laws compel him to do so)

dad - impregnates a woman, and remains and provisions for her

beta dad - does not impregnate woman (at first), but provisions for her children fathered by other men (he may impregnate her subsequently)

With respect to relative SMV, the situation is generally:

- cad - the man is at higher relative SMV
- dad - the man is at equal SMV
- beta dad - the man is at lower SMV

The cad, realizing that he could get a better woman, does not want to be stuck with the lesser mother of his children. The dad, realizing that he is getting about as good a woman as he could get, is content in having that woman.

The beta dad makes the observation that there are many more otherwise attractive women who are mothers, and that these women are not as picky as their otherwise equally attractive childless sisters, and makes the cold hard decision that the hassles of putting up with another man's seed is worth the jump up in attractiveness value - i.e., that life with that fit mother with the 2 rugrats would be worth more than life with the obese maiden. Sure, he would like to get the attractive maiden, but he just cannot get her - she is dating the higher SMV potential dad, or getting sexed by the even higher cad.

What do you think?

They all have to the same value, but to different women. Usually women who are just hard up on a guy will get a man who's gotten a string of women pregnant. The funny thing these are women who diss the dad type, become another victim, and become bitter because they wonder why they can't find a good man.
The dad types can usually go one of two ways: either he finds a quality woman or he accidentally knocks up a woman and decides to stay around so the kid won't grow up without a dad. The guy has integrity and is willing to provide security, two things that are supposedly attractive to women. Has the cad beat since he has two qualities the other guy doesn't have, and is better than the beta because he's the original choice. The problem is again where a woman is mentally. The dad may be a good man and a good father, but she may be the screwed up and drives him away.
Now the beta dad comes in. Sometimes there really isn't anything wrong with the guy other than that he came in just a little late. Of course it depends on the woman. She may have been a quality woman who lost her husband; nothing wrong with that. The guy may have changed due to addiction or circumstances and there was nothing she did wrong. In either case, if she doesn't hold the kids in front of him from the get go and doesn't try to basically castrate him, he could be seen as a dad, but was just late to the party. On the other hand, you have the woman who got with the cad when she was in her party phase or who drove away the one good man she ever had. Now she holds the kid in front of the beta dad from jump and let them decide who she stays with. She says that she wants a man that will take care of her and her children because the cad is nowhere to be found eventhough she thought she could change him. She basically calls all the shots and the next man is just there to spend money on the kids. A beta sees and hears all of this, but makes it his duty to stay to take care of kids that aren't his. The lady treats him like dirt or is super needy, but he stays and live in misery while the cad laughs at him and the dad can't do nothing but feel relieve that he got out when he could. So truthfully all men have the same value, but women seeks one out over the other because of their mindset.

According to that logic, Ashton would be more beta than Bruce Willys.
This isnt a theory, not at least in the scientifical sense.

The fact is that, most women after they get pregnant and become single mom, most guys will just pass on her. It doesnt matter how much hot she is, only low value men with lees option will pursue her. So in most cases, the next guy is not only inferior in the overall looks department, but also probably he will be a somewhat poor provider as well. But, of course, this is not a law, there are exceptions for everything.

By your theory, I'm a dad who got driven away and my ex's new boyfriend is a beta dad, they basically pooled all of their resources, and my child support, to take care of his three kids and her one.

Now I'm very selective about women. They are really only good for one thing, maybe two. sex and conversation...I don't need them for anything else. If I got some girl pregnant now I wouldn't marry her unless I was already on the path to marrying her. And I wouldn't pay child support unless ordered. My money now is going to someone elses kids and not being spent on my kid so fvck that. Guess I turned into a cad eh?

Warrior74 said:

By your theory, I'm a dad who got driven away and my ex's new boyfriend is a beta dad, they basically pooled all of their resources, and my child support, to take care of his three kids and her one.

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You ex's new boyfriend would not be a beta in this case, since he has his own children to support. In fact, it sounds like part of your support is going to pay for his kids, not yours, so not only are you not getting sex from your ex, but you are paying for another man to have sex with your ex. You sounds like an omega. :crazy:

You ex's new boyfriend would not be a beta in this case, since he has his own children to support. In fact, it sounds like part of your support is going to pay for his kids, not yours, so not only are you not getting sex from your ex, but you are paying for another man to have sex with your ex. You sounds like an omega.

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on the other hand, your ex new boyfriend probably is also paying to his ex to have sex with other men...

This "theory" is the silver lining a chump always looks for to justify his betaness:

"The beta dad makes the observation that there are many more otherwise attractive women who are mothers, and that these women are not as picky as their otherwise equally attractive childless sisters, and makes the cold hard decision that the hassles of putting up with another man's seed is worth the jump up in attractiveness value..."

Women are like cars... the second you drive them off the lot, they lose 20% of their value... the second some other guy's sperm fertilizes one of her eggs she automatically loses value and becomes overall less desirable, lower QUALITY than before.

This is a dangerous trend of thought to expose to recovering AFC's because in their "save-a-ho" minds they're still getting a hot woman... sacrificing quality to fark a hot MILF.

It's all relative...

But couldnt Ashton get young, childless women ? He can, but still chose Demi.

In this "theory" he is DEFINING the guy who goes for a woman with child as "beta", therefore, even the richest, most handsome, tallest and smarter man in the word would be a beta if he marries a woman with child.

SXS said:

on the other hand, your ex new boyfriend probably is also paying to his ex to have sex with other men...

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I love it, cascading provisioning.